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EPISODE · Apr 19, 2026 · 40 MIN

Beyond Obedience

from theeffect Podcasts · host David Brisbin

Dave Brisbin 4.19.26 When we beg Jesus to save us, we’re missing the point of salvation. Salvation is not given to us. Can’t be. Salvation is experiencing, remembering, the primal truth that we already have everything there is from a God who is love, withholds nothing. And what is that everything? Heaven? Understood as God’s acceptance, identification with us, yes, heaven. Right now? Here? Doesn’t look like heaven… And it won’t until we’ve experienced that heaven isn’t a place we’re sent, it’s remembering who we are in God’s presence. Which raises another question. What if heaven is not the end of our journey, but the beginning? We think of heaven as the reward for a life of obedience, the ultimate paycheck. But at every turn, Jesus pounds against obedience as the basis of relationship with God. Obedience is motivated by fear of punishment, and fear can only breed more fear, never love. Jesus’ Way is the process of casting out the need for fear by experiencing a perfect love we already possess. And truth is, we can’t begin a process that requires stripping off everything to which we’ve clung for security our entire lives, until we’re convinced we’re already accepted—at least enough to overcome the fear of the first step. This is the Good News. That there is no bad news. Jesus leads with it, with acceptance. Always. Touches lepers before healing, reconciles with the unlawful before instructing, serves anyone in his path, whether woman, child, wealthy, poor, gentile, Roman. Acceptance first. Heaven first. It has to be. We can never obey our way to heaven. Reinforcing fear of punishment blocks the experience of love. But if the acceptance of heaven is experienced, and for even a moment we remember we are God’s beloved, obedience transforms into an expression of love, the joy of our identification with God-as-love. It has the same effect as obedience, but we have graduated far beyond it. The means we use must match the ends we seek. We’ll never end with heaven if we don’t start with it first. It’s all herenow: all God has to give and all we are to receive. This is the Good News. It costs us everything to comprehend. Good trade.

Dave Brisbin 4.19.26 When we beg Jesus to save us, we’re missing the point of salvation. Salvation is not given to us. Can’t be. Salvation is experiencing, remembering, the primal truth that we already have everything there is from a God who is love, withholds nothing. And what is that everything? Heaven? Understood as God’s acceptance, identification with us, yes, heaven. Right now? Here? Doesn’t look like heaven… And it won’t until we’ve experienced that heaven isn’t a place we’re sent, it’s remembering who we are in God’s presence. Which raises another question. What if heaven is not the end of our journey, but the beginning? We think of heaven as the reward for a life of obedience, the ultimate paycheck. But at every turn, Jesus pounds against obedience as the basis of relationship with God. Obedience is motivated by fear of punishment, and fear can only breed more fear, never love. Jesus’ Way is the process of casting out the need for fear by experiencing a perfect love we already possess. And truth is, we can’t begin a process that requires stripping off everything to which we’ve clung for security our entire lives, until we’re convinced we’re already accepted—at least enough to overcome the fear of the first step. This is the Good News. That there is no bad news. Jesus leads with it, with acceptance. Always. Touches lepers before healing, reconciles with the unlawful before instructing, serves anyone in his path, whether woman, child, wealthy, poor, gentile, Roman. Acceptance first. Heaven first. It has to be. We can never obey our way to heaven. Reinforcing fear of punishment blocks the experience of love. But if the acceptance of heaven is experienced, and for even a moment we remember we are God’s beloved, obedience transforms into an expression of love, the joy of our identification with God-as-love. It has the same effect as obedience, but we have graduated far beyond it. The means we use must match the ends we seek. We’ll never end with heaven if we don’t start with it first. It’s all herenow: all God has to give and all we are to receive. This is the Good News. It costs us everything to comprehend. Good trade.

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