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Beyond the Hype: What AI Actually Can (and Can't) Do • Jodie Burchell & Michelle Frost

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This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted.https://gotopia.techJodie Burchell - Senior Data Science Developer Advocate at JetBrainsMichelle Frost - AI Advocate at JetBrainsCheck out more here:https://gotopia.tech/articles/431RESOURCESJodiehttps://bsky.app/profile/t-redactyl.bsky.socialhttps://fosstodon.org/@t_redactylhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jodieburchellhttps://github.com/t-redactylhttps://t-redactyl.ioMichellehttps://bsky.app/profile/aiwithmichelle.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-frost-devhttps://aiwithmichelle.comLinkshttps://www.youtube.com/@Asianometryhttps://arxiv.org/abs/1911.01547https://softwareengineeringproductivity.stanford.eduDESCRIPTIONMichelle Frost and Jodie Burchell - both developer advocates at JetBrains — sit down for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the state of AI. Drawing on Jodie's unusual path from clinical psychology to biostatistics to NLP, and Michelle's background in machine learning fairness and AI ethics consulting, the two offer a measured, research-grounded perspective on generative AI's real capabilities and limitations. They trace historical parallels between today's AI boom and earlier 'AI summers,' unpack the contested definitions of AI and AGI, make the case for why foundational machine learning knowledge still matters, and examine what the evidence actually says about AI's impact on developer productivity.RECOMMENDED BOOKSMark Coeckelbergh • AI Ethics • https://amzn.to/3SuXUbYDebbie Sue Jancis • AI Ethics • https://amzn.to/44yuEbRAlex Castrounis • AI for People and Business • https://amzn.to/3NYKKToPhil Winder • Reinforcement Learning • https://amzn.to/3t1S1VZBlueskyInstagramLinkedInFacebookCHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUSJoin this channel to get early access to videos & other perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/joinLooking for a unique learning experience?Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.techSUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

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This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Jodie Burchell - Senior Data Science Developer Advocate at JetBrains Michelle Frost - AI Advocate at JetBrains Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/431 RESOURCES Jodie https://bsky.app/profile/t-redactyl.bsky.social https://fosstodon.org/@t_redactyl https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodieburchell https://github.com/t-redactyl https://t-redactyl.io Michelle https://bsky.app/profile/aiwithmichelle.com https://www....

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