Billie Eilish

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It is the one, the only Billy Eilish. Billy, so great. Love her. And we're going to talk about so many good things. We are going to talk about how important it is to laugh.

We're going to talk about intrusive thoughts, what to do with them. We're going to talk about how much she loves to sing and how lucky we are that she loves to sing because she's the best voice in the world. We are going to talk about how she saved an animal that was in her own walls. And we're going to talk about her new concert film, Hit Me Hard and Soft, coming out this week in theaters. So much to talk about.

She's the best Billy. And we always like to do something on the show. We like to speak to someone who knows our guest and wants to speak well behind our guest back. And who do we get? Phineas, of course.

Phineas, her brother, her collaborator, an incredible producer, a musician, writer, composer, who probably knows Billy better than anyone. And very nicely speaking to us while he drives his car in LA. Let's get on. Let's get on the Zoom with Phineas. Phineas, hi.

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Let me pull my car over. Hey, I'm going. Oh my God, this is very LA that you're zooming while you're driving. Yeah. Well, the softball game, the park, the Saturday morning, softball game just ended.

OK, cool. I'm pulling over and taking this Waymo's face. Here I go. I'm pulling over to really look you in the eye and focus. I have a question about the Waymo.

A lot of people who don't live in California don't experience this Waymo, which is a driverless car. Right. What do you think happens if you hit a Waymo? What happens? Yeah, I am much more blase about cutting off a car with no driver than I am about cutting off another human being.

I know. Yeah, I don't care. I think it's really interesting that we treat driverless cars like with derision, like we're like whatever. Don't let the Waymo in. But we kind of love the little shopping cart thing that rolls around.

That is adorable. Have you ever been in an LA intersection where the little robot delivery cart meets a Waymo at the same time and they just stand there together? Like they're in love? I assume. I like that.

No, I look forward. That's going to be like a four leaf clover in a field. Yeah, keep your eye out for that. For that me cute, that me LA me cute. OK, I guess what I wanted to ask you before we get to your question and I know you're literally pulled over on the side of the highway so we won't keep you.

But you have made a point of letting us in on your creative process a lot, which I really appreciate as a person who tries to make things. What do you like about letting people in on that? Because some people don't really feel like they don't like to do that. What do you get out of showing people how you make things? I like it because it's become in the music production space more and more popular.

I would say that when I was 13 and I was scouring the internet, trying to find the kind of videos that we've made a lot of, I was finding some but not a ton. And man, I find them inspiring. You know what I mean? I see a fire truck. I wait for a deal.

I hope it's a way more fire truck. Nobody's trying. Yeah, nobody driving it. I find it so inspiring as a consumer to be like, oh, that's the laptop that I could buy at the Apple store. And that's a micro, like there's a kind of a magic and mystery in hearing a great song that makes it feel unattainable to me.

And I think that when I see somebody break it down, I go like, oh, wow, I could do that. And I think also I'm always rolling my eyes in the music space at people acting like they have some secret saw, secret ingredient thing. And to me, it's like, no, no, there is nothing. It's all just like, I had an idea and here's how it is. And it's probably simpler than you think it is.

Or maybe it's just more tedious or painstaking. You know what I mean? So I love that quality. I love and I also think that it connects people to the project more like I'm a DVD behind the scenes commentary of the movie guy. I love learning about the process of making the thing.

And I think it makes you love something more. Any creative process, like they're all kind of similar. It's like a lot of trying things in real time. And then like a lot of jokes to like get your brain offline because you can't think anymore, which I can, like I love that you and Billy, when you work together, you do that a lot. You like use comedy to switch yourself out of a rut or out of a mood or something.

I've noticed. Yes. We are so weird. Where she cracks me up so much. When I make her laugh much like your laugh or like Conan's laugh or something like she has a laugh to me.

Then I'm like, oh, that makes me feel so good to make Billy laugh. That's such an eldest child. Oh, Lydia said so nice because OK, I'm the oldest. The eldest child. We have it the worst.

I'm sorry. It's the hardest. We have a lot of weight on our shoulders. And we're also really always trying to get our younger sibling to laugh. Feel better.

We feel a lot of obligation. I don't know if it's different for our oldest boys. But what do you like and not like about being an eldest child? I guess the only thing I don't like is that on a good day when I feel like I'm really in the pocket, it seems like, oh, it must be cool to have an older sibling. That's what I'm saying.

Like the period of time where I could drive for places and shit like that, I was like, this is awesome. So that's kind of a con. Like I wish I had a cool older sister or older brother or something. And then the pro is just having a younger sibling is awesome. Yeah.

And getting to roll your eyes with your parents about your younger sibling growing up and they're being insane. Being the favorite, that's awesome. You don't like being the favorite. Oh my god, I know. So you talk about liking the idea that your Billy's protector and you're also obviously so important.

And her life and her career and you guys are also doing tremendous things separately. And what I wanted to ask, one last question is, how would you describe the way you like to work? My fantasy is that you get in a place with somebody. And the pre-rec is that you go in there and you already think they're talented. Even if they're not successful yet, they've done something that you're like, I am attracted to that quality.

I think they have an amazing voice or they're a great writer, or whatever it is. So you already come in an admirer. And then you hang out and you make each other laugh and you have a cup of coffee and you let your guard down and you talk shit about something. And then you're like, oh damn, we probably only have like 90 minutes before you have that flight back to New York. Do you want to try to make something really quick and then you make something in this kind of like, pressures off, expectations have gone away sort of the thing.

And then when you're in that process, you get inspired and you get passionate and you get the kind of feeling that we all get of like, no, we want to make this the best it can be. But that it's all inside this kind of egg shell of like, we're just like, we're just having a blast here. We're just having a great time. And I don't think that you're a failure if you don't make something today and you don't think I'm a loser. I don't know if you've ever met Mike Schur, who's a showrunner and writer.

I have not met him, but I'm an admirer. I know who you are. You remind me of each other a lot. And when I've heard you speak and because it's just basically this idea of like, you can decide the chaos is going to be the thing that's the agent that creates creativity or you're going to, or you can decide it's connection. And sometimes there's a truly eccentric chaotic experience.

It's like, holy shit, we made something for the most part. Like, if it's chaotic and not connected, it's hard. And also imagine, I feel like the real pivot for me was like, I was very ambitious as a 19-year-old 20-year-old. Mainly because I didn't want the opportunity to go away. I felt like we had this great thing.

I didn't want to lose it. And I was stressed. I was like, oh my god, I don't want to fail. And I think that then we succeeded in a bigger way than I thought we would. And then we've had ups and downs as everybody does.

And I was like, oh, OK. So then if I really have no control over whether something succeeds or not, I might as well just have the best time possible making the thing. Because the couple of times in my life that I've been involved in making something that was unpleasant to make, I didn't really care if it succeeded. I was like, that was horrible to work on that. And especially if it failed in whatever metric or capacity, I was like, oh my god, what was the point of all that?

That was awful to do. And then nobody even liked it. And now I work on stuff. And I'm like, well, you can't take away from me that I had this amazing summer. I mean, it's part of the unfair thing about working with Billy for me.

I'm like, I'm expected to work with people that I love so much less than my sister. And we spend about a year making a record. And I'm like, yeah, that's a year I get to hang out with Billy three days a week and have a wonderful time with her every time. And the idea of getting in with somebody that's a stranger. It could lead to that.

But it's unlikely that I'm going to love somebody that much. So what do you love about your sister? I love so many things about her. I think she's so earnest and sweet and hardworking. And I think she sees the world through a totally different lens than I do.

And then there are things that we feel similarly about. And we think the same thing about I love disagreeing with her about stuff. It would never for no reason. But I love finding out why she feels differently about something. She's so competitive.

I love that about her. I love that about her, too. I'm not a competitive guy. Like we lost this softball game. I do not care.

That is not a problem to me. And if Billy were at this softball game with me, Billy would be sitting here next to me like Kobe when Kobe would lose the championship. Like she is a fighter. And I love that. And that's lucky for me to be on the same team as.

And she's an amazing, compassionate, loving person. She got all that from our moms. She loves animals of all kinds. She's incredibly environmentally conscious. She's learned so many lessons that I think take other people a longer time to learn if they ever do.

So I'm going to admire all those things. Thank you for saying that so well said. And so to our last to let you get back on the road and to honestly take a look at how you could have done better on the field because that is important on your ride home. Do you have a question? Anything you think Billy would want to talk about or, yes.

OK, you got one. I do. OK, so I think that the best way for me to phrase this is to not over explain it to you because I think you learning it from Billy is funnier. I want you to ask Billy what tomato bisque soup is. And I want you to ask Billy how she lost tomato bisque soup.

Fantastic. Perfect. This feels like family lore. I can't wait to get into it. It's shockingly recent.

This is not something from 10 years ago. This is like fresh. This is Friday. Oh my god. Awesome.

OK, Jenny, thank you so much for your time and doing this. And truly, anytime you want to come in here and talk more, I would love it. I'd be honored. I'm a big fan. Thanks again.

Have fun with Billy. Thank you so much. You're the best. Talk to you tonight. Nice to meet you.

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Billy. OK. I mean, you're tiny. You're teeny tiny. But you're a giant.

But you're a teeny tiny. You're a teeny tiny lady. What are you talking about? You're a shorty. I am a shorty.

I am a shorty. This is true. You're a shorty. I'm a shorty. 5, 2.

5, 2. And you are? I'm 5, 3. We'll see. What do I do?

We'll see. Should we hijack? People are 5, 2, like to say they're 5, 3. Well, you know what's interesting? I've been 5, 3.

I'm still saying that I'm 5, 3, because I feel that it's not true that I've grown an inch. But I did just go to the doctor and they checked my head and I was 5, 4. I'm not going to do that. Do you think you have a good posture or do you think your posture's gotten better? I do.

Are they my postures better? And I think my posture's generally good. I do have the iPhone bump. You know the iPhone bump at the top of the spine kind of vibe. But other than that.

Yeah, because you probably have like Alexander technique, dance or training, posture stuff. Yes. Yes. Well, but well done. I've actually been working on my posture because- It's your posture bad in general?

It is pretty bad. It's getting worse. It's getting worse. And it's getting worse. Interesting.

Because of this, because of working because of sitting. No, I think just because- Well, maybe because of computers and phones. Yeah. So I have to work on it. Okay.

So Billy Eilish is here. We're working on our posture. You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant. You're a giant in every industry. Okay.

So I don't know how to not totally praise- Oh my god. ...and tell these. I'm going to take it slow. Okay. Very, very pumped that you're here.

I'm such a fan of your work. I am such a fan of how you work. And you've been very generous to us. People who don't know you but get to experience your art. You've been very generous in showing us how you work.

And I have really blown away by how you approach your art and your work. Because what I feel for me when I think is true is you have this thing, a lot of it comes from your family, the way you were raised, this is the way in which your family, the people around you, made you a citizen of the world. That you don't feel above people. I know. And because of that, it's like you're in it with us.

This whole thing feels like we're in it together. You're physically in it. You're physically in the crowd. You're physically in the room. You put yourself in.

Sometimes it gets nervous for you. But you also, because of it, that's why we feel as fans, we feel so connected to you. And the other part of you that I love is you're so funny and you love to laugh. Comedy is so important to you. Oh my God.

I was literally saying yesterday I was with my friends and we were talking about how we live to laugh. I literally live to laugh. I said this to my friend because she was talking about relationships and she was like, she was like, well, I just didn't laugh. And then I was like, well bitch, you live to laugh specifically. And I do too.

And so when you're not with somebody who makes you laugh. Anyway, she the rest of the day, she kept being like, I can't get over you saying live to laugh. I know. It's medicine. Thank you for saying all that stuff.

Oh my God. You're so welcome. Oh my God. Oh my God. Also, you're like us as fans.

It's a USA man. I'm such a fan. Wow. Thank you very much. Yes.

I feel I feel one with the world and the fans and the. Oh, I think like the comedy part is important because it is like, you know, you can do so many things well and you're you're in a family of artists who do a lot of things and you're doing a lot of things. Yes. But the comedy part if like I'm curious where that where I'm curious like what your relationship was to comedy as a little kid and a young person like your family like you guys laugh a lot. Oh, yeah.

You all have good senses of humor. Oh, yeah. I mean, I was both of my parents. Gosh, this is amazing. I literally like have never talked about anything in this realm, which I'm loving right now already.

I mean, my mom was in the ground like so she is just naturally very funny and very quick and witty and like has so many characters. And so does my dad. My dad is like an incredible face maker. He makes amazing faces and he and I used to have like face making competitions when I was a little kid and so I would always see them just be funny all the time and all they did was be funny and laugh and all finis. I mean, Phineas is like truly a comedic genius.

Yeah, he's really good jokes. Like really funny. Like and has been forever. I mean, when we were I was thinking about this today randomly the way when we were doing meetings with like labels and stuff when I was 14 and he was 18, he was just like cracking jokes for the whole thing and making everybody die laughing. So I don't know what it came from.

I love to laugh so much. And I just came from just like you start to like know what you see. Yeah. And like the love language at your family was like last year after and a little bit of slight teasing, which to me is a sign of love. So that's literally my I live for that.

I like there's nothing that's funnier to me than being made fun of and making fun of someone else. Like how I show someone that I love and that's how love is shown to us 100%. And it is just like some families. It's wild. Some families don't do that.

I can't even believe that. Some people don't do that. Some people don't do that. Sometimes like I feel like people enter my life and I start to like absolutely just go in on them for whatever thing I'm making fun and they and it's like I realize like you don't do this. So it feels like I'm bullying you.

Yes. But really I'm just trying to be loving you. I'm loving you. I'm loving you so much. Yeah.

Oh my God. Also like laughing at yourself is like the greatest one of the greatest joys and like it is and it's a sign of intelligence. It's a sense of humor by yourself especially when you're all eyes are on you and when you're young person super hard. It's just too seriously just the worst quality in the world. It is but it is the worst quality but I understand I have empathy for it because usually it comes from like you know what I saw in a lot of SNL.

Yeah. You've got people at their most nervous. Yes. And when people are nervous like whatever is your shadow side comes out like you get quiet or you get kind of mean to people or you get hectic or and when you're nervous like sometimes people just they they really tense up they want to take things seriously because they want to do a good job. Yeah.

And you're like I hate to break it to you. Be a big dummy and pretend that life is a dream. I know. It's hard. Well it's like the whole thing that people talk about these days which is so real which is like embracing being cringe is literally allowing yourself to be happy and free.

Like letting yourself be cringy or you know when like you know a kid hits a certain age like depending on the kid like for me it was like probably 10 or 11 where they start going like that's weird. Yeah. That's weird. Why are you saying that and you realize that they're they're suddenly very aware you know self conscious and aware and then thinking everything is weird and wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in in whatever way. I feel like letting that go is very hard and challenging and trying not to be cool.

Yes. Is like so much cooler. I know but it's like you have to go through it to get there and we've all been on both sides. We've been the 10 year old that's like dad don't pick me up at them all. Right.

Don't come inside them all. Please don't embarrass me. But it's like sometimes the thing that might be embarrassing is like what brings us the most joy of anything in the world. Like I was I spent so many years when I started you know having this career that I wanted to like prove the kind of artist that I was and you know I wanted people to think of me in a certain way and I feel like at a certain point I was just like this is bringing me no joy at all. Like I this is not fulfilling to me.

Yes. In the slightest at all. I mean I wonder for you like SNL because when I hosted a few years ago I was it is so good. Thank you for seeing that. You actually did that.

You actually think so. Dude. Yes. We okay well there are people that we hosted and we're like oh like they didn't really. I'm good for them.

Like they had a lot of fun. You're genuinely funny. Thank you God. I mean it was so scary but my question to you though I mean and like I love SNL but but the vibe was very intense. Yes.

And the whole week leading up I was like why is nobody laughing at all. Because I was like isn't this show about laughing but it's so serious and I think everyone is like wants to keep their job at the same time. Yeah that show is like it's some serious a lot of people auditioning to keep their job. Oh yeah. And it's like an emergency room like sometimes the emergency room days are like fun and you're like goofing around and other days you're just like oh everybody's scrambling around and I'm like I'm like you're like this is an emergency.

I mean it's just fun is an emergency room. They're fun. Yeah. Right but you you're a huge fan of comedy and you've talked about some million times but you have watched the office. Girl.

How many times for real because it says 30 times. It's over that now. So what? Well because I don't ever stop and then everyone just happened on a little. Well when you asked earlier I meant to say to your question about like humor and yeah grow how did you you know a big part of that was the office.

I mean I started watching the office when I was like 11 or 12 and that's an interesting thing about cringe because you're I mean the like Gen Z their relationship to cringe has been really interesting to watch. Yes. And then shows embrace it like their favorite comedies embraced it and they almost got to like experience it vicariously through someone else like I mean Michael Scott is the ultimate cringe journey. Yes 100%. He's like oh my god you're dying for him and then by then you're like or he's like Buddha literally or he's the most literally like the most tender.

I mean that's what I think is so genius about the whole show and Michael Scott as a whole. Yeah. Is that he is so awful but you he's so undeniably you can't help but love him and feel for him and see yourself in him really and and like kind of aspire to be as open book as him at the end of the day. The amount of times at this point. I mean I said 30 probably like four years ago so I probably rewatch the whole series like three or four times a year.

Sorry. It's if not more sorry. So Jenna took a little Adderall the other day and added up the ad of the hours of what that is. Oh god. Do you know that it's like 92 days.

No. I guess my question to you is like have you tried Parks and Rec. I love Parks and Rec. I love Parks and Rec. I love you.

I love you. Check it out. That's that would love for you to check it out. You in Parks and Rec is one of the greatest moments in history and everybody knows it and that is one of my top five shows so moving on. But I feel you getting back to the office and just that I okay.

Also I would say that the idea that TV shows are like a comfort and a way to self-soothe is really really I really really I think a lot of people are like especially comedy because there's something about the way in which there's a tiny bit of conflict. People aren't supposed to get along. Yeah. They figured it out. They go on with their day.

Everybody's okay and then if you rewatch it and rewatch it you know how it's gonna do. Yes. 100%. This is my exact experience. Exactly what you're saying.

Because I have that. 100% it's a self-soothing like knowing the end. No anxiety thing. Yes. It's like yeah because I have trouble watching movies that are I have trouble watching doing anything that's new.

Watching entertainment that is new. Yes. Because I feel like it's like an ADHD. I just all I do is rewatch the same movie the same show. Yeah.

The same meal listen to the same song over and over. Yeah. In a way that's like like it's like a little bit over the top. Well it depends on how you frame it right. If someone else was there they're like you know but I'm alone obviously it's the most amazing thing in the world.

I watch the office over and over what movie do you watch over and over what meal do you eat over and over. Amazing questions. The office over and over. Yeah. New girl over and over.

Oh my god. Uh, movie like Ferris Bueller's Day off I've seen an unbelievable amount of times. Over the hedge. I have seen so many times. Wait over the hedge Steve Curl plays a squirrel.

Oh it's an animated movie. Yeah it's an animated movie. Okay okay okay. It's unbelievably amazing. I've forced so many people to watch it.

Spirit. Unbelievable film. Wait is that anime? Animated it's an animated horse. Oh it's a horse movie yes the horse.

Yes the horse girl. In history Jennifer Lawrence was in here she's a horse girl. Yes I know. Horse girls have beautiful hair. I did say that.

And you're a good great hair. You always have and horses you're a part horse. Also I was the year of the horse. Born the year. And this is the year the horse.

That's true. We're in the year the allerfier horse. We found a horse. You have beautiful hair too. Thank you.

Look. I don't have beautiful hair thank you though. I gave the **** out of me. I love them. Have you ridden them.

I reluctantly have ridden them. I rode one recently with my son in Iceland a couple of years ago. I was like keep that tight. I'm gonna ride. like, I cannot wait to get off.

It hurts so bad. It hurts physically. Yeah, I heard my... Yeah, the Who's in the Haws. It does hurt my inner leg upper butt front butt region.

Front butt. Dude, it hurt. Well, like anything, you get used to that. That's true. And then, you're champion.

Okay. You have had the phrase youngest used on you constantly, the youngest to reach 100 million Spotify streams. Youngest winner album, the year record of the year, youngest person ever went to Academy Awards in any category. Oh my God. Is it kind of nice to reach your 20s and be a little bit away from that kind of young wendr kindi vibe?

Dude, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do. I mean, you're still very young. Yes. Also, not.

Well, I guess I never thought that I would ever not be a teenager. It's not like, I don't know, I just was like, this will be me forever. There's no other, you know, I remember when I was like 17, I was like, okay, and I am the person I will be forever right now. Yes. And it's just not how it works, obviously.

And I am so excited to age, and I'm so excited for my face to age and my body to age and not change it, you know, and I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like their face and not be some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now. You know what I'm saying? Yes. And what's really wild about you being like, I'm when I was 17, I thought I was a person I was. Yeah.

We knew you at 17. We like saw you get a cake from your 17, right? In the doc, you know, like happy 17 birthday. Oh my God. And so you not only are you figuring yourself out, but everybody's watching you figure it out.

And there's, you know, I'm saying the obvious, but we all go through versions of ourselves privately, you went through versions of yourself publicly. And you also had to whatever change you decided to make that day affected a bunch of people. It's not like you're like, I'm gonna come here now and everyone's like, yeah, we gotta change the posters. Yeah. It becomes a thing where you like trying new versions of yourself.

Everybody else weighs in on that or has something, how a minute one, Billy, from when I saw you to now, there was some kind of inner governor, a voice that you would felt like check in with to make decisions. Who is that? Where is that? Where's that come from? Is that true?

Is that how you make decisions? You're gonna get cut first. How do you make decisions? Wow. These are amazing questions.

Oh my God. You are absolutely eating it up right now. Wow. I feel like it is a gut thing. Like I think that weirdly as much as it was a strain on my youth becoming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15, I weirdly do things that I had that element of teenage carelessness.

Yeah. Right. Even though I was self conscious and very, you know, trying to be cool. I also was myself in a way that I look back on and I'm like, so grateful that I was that way. And I think that weirdly I'm glad that it happened when I was so young because, and I think that it is attributed also, I have to say, to just the person that I've always been since I was a little kid, just very strong willed and very, very bossy, extremely bossy and very needing things to go my way and also being very honest and blunt, I guess.

And so I think when I started doing interviews or, you know, being asked any kind of question, I was just very, very honest. And I also, I did PR training when I was 14 and I sobbed through it. I hated it so much. It was literally like the scariest shit of all time. What made it so scary?

I was just like, made you sob. I, first of all, the woman who did it to me was like, I would, she'd ask me a question because this is how PR training works. Okay. I shouldn't, I should know this. Did you do PR training?

Well, I only did one session and it was like under an hour and I sobbed and I left and I didn't know how to follow any of the rules after that. Yeah. They'll tell you what you should say or the kind of direction you should go. And then they'll ask you the question, like pretending you're in an interview. And so I would start answering the way I would want to answer and she would like kind of cut me off and be like, no, no, you need to start saying this or no, you should be saying this.

Don't say that. Don't give them that. And it was important for me to learn and I'm glad I learned it. But similar to learning to drive safely, it's good to know how to drive safely so that you can use your, so that then you can, this is really a bad analogy, but so then you can bend the rules according to safety. Yeah.

But like, you know, you know what is safe and good and right, but then I'm going to go be, you know, precise about, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. Absolutely. It's like figuring out your own boundaries, like figuring out within those boundaries how to play. Yes.

Authenticity is like major for you. It's like, it's like what you're looking for. It's what you want to put out into the world. Yes. And like you feel it and you just kind of can't fake it.

You know, and it's probably a little painful when you're not being authentic. I hate it. Yeah. I hate it. Yeah.

I think when things get more mainstream and then more people who aren't your fans are looking at you and hearing it, it's, it becomes like scary. I mean, I feel, I feel like sad thinking back, not even thinking back, just thinking about how I've definitely like 80, 75% come down on my, my, not honesty, but my sharing of myself. I used to be literally like 99% complete, like oversharing with the entire world, which I loved because I also, I am a fan and I've always been a fan. Like my, I'm a horse girl and I am a fan girl and I always have been.

And these are like, and you were a believer. I was a believer. And everyone into that like tender place. Yes. Like, but I did it specifically because I knew that as a fan, I wanted my favorite artists to do that.

I wanted to be a real person. Honestly. I do that. You make people feel that way lyrics make people feel so seen, Billy. Like so, like there's a reason why, okay, I'm going to praise and praise you again.

Like there, like when, when we're, when I go to your show, I want your show and like, and like everyone's singing, you know, you know, you make me hate this city. Like, you know, and everybody's like those. Like those, let's take that song. Let's take, let's take that song. Okay.

Okay. Hold on. I'm going to sing the entire song to you. Let's go. Okay.

But that moment, oh my God, this is not okay. I have to break some news. This is not my laptop. I forgot my laptop today. This is Sam's laptop and I'm completely stressed out.

Okay. And for those people watching this laptop is bigger than my usual laptop and they probably already noticed that. And don't write in no comments about laptop. Okay. I'm so old.

I got to do this. Okay. Okay. So, when you're singing it and I'm singing it, you're making, you're being, like, you're speaking plainly, I guess is the way to say it. You're not hiding behind some like objects or metaphors.

And that authenticity, it's like a direct hit between the audience and you. Like, your lyrics are so fucking great. I guess my question is, I guess I have to do a question. How do you write lyrics? Oh, God.

Terrible question. Forget it. Let's sing more. Okay. Because that shit's embarrassing.

I mean, that shit's embarrassing. It is bitch. It is. It is. It really is.

That shit's embarrassing. You're in my everything. Like, it's so real. Everybody felt that. Feels like.

Thank you. With your lyrics. But I'm genuinely curious. Do you write a lyric and then you go, that's too, I feel the way about dialogue sometimes. I'll write something like, nobody talks like that.

Right. Like, nobody's going to say that. I mean, dialogue to me is really impressive to write. Like, I don't understand how you do that. That, that to me, I can't like fathom writing a script at all.

Like, I don't, yeah, I don't know why. I think I just, I have a similar feeling to like how people talk to me. Who, you know, have never made music or musical at all. Where they're like, how do you possibly do that? Like, I can't begin to fathom how to write dialogue.

Right. So, but I've watched you write lyrics and you've let us watch you write it. And it feels like you're doing a similar thing, which is like, it's like you try on a lyric and you're like, is that real? You're asking yourself, is that a real thing? It's not always about a real thing.

It's just like, does that lyric feel right in my head? Yeah. Like, singing it out loud. Well, so my answer to this is interesting because I don't like writing music. I've heard you say this many times.

I have, I have, I have, I have grown to like it so much more over the years and honestly like growing up and becoming an adult and not worrying about being cool really has helped me. Right. It's a big part of making anything and especially music is allowing it to be bad before it's good. It's like so many things. It's like literally anything.

And I think like it's so hard when you want to be good at something and especially when you have the pressure of people seeing it and you're like, well, it has to be good. So I can't even, I can't let this be bad for even one second. It'll stop you from doing it at all. And so I like my love is singing. Singing is like my true, true soulmate.

Like singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world. And having songs that I have written to sing is the goal. Like that's what I love about writing music. And also when I am, because I write everything with my brother and I write alone every now and then, but it doesn't bring me joy when I write it alone. And also I'm too critical and I'm like, it's just frustrating for me.

And when I work with my brother, like I was saying to somebody, you know, because somebody said like, are you making an album right now because you want to make a new album or because you're required in your contract to? And I was like, I've never thought about that once. And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that way because I don't care if it's because I have to. It's actually like any excuse to hang out with my brother. I'll take.

And we get to make music that we both love. And I think that what's interesting about not loving the process of writing music is I love the outcome so much. I love my music more than any other music. And I think that people hear that and think like, what the heck? You're listening to your own music and it's like, well, yeah, that's why I make it.

It's like similar to like, I make my own perfume because I really like the smell of it and I want to wear it. Yes. You know, so I make music to listen to it, to enjoy it and to sing it. It's my favorite thing in the world. You're so good at singing.

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Find your ride at Enterprise.ca. I like to ask singers this. We had hilly. Whatever friends we texted. Whatever friends we texted.

I feel about our tone. Totally not. Don't make me deal out of it. But I asked her this and I like to ask, what, like your first relationship to your voice? When you were like, I like my voice.

Do you remember? You must have been a tiny one because you were singing at a very young age and you were encouraged to sing a lot. But that thing when you sing and you think like whatever's coming out is kind of good. Yeah, is good. Do you remember a feeling of that?

Well, it's so interesting because I have been singing for my entire life. Like I don't, there was never a beginning. It was just I was singing and singing and singing and I grew up in a very musical household. Piano always being played, guitar being played. My mom was a songwriter and you know, Phineas started writing songs before.

I did. He was older than me. And so there was always music around and so I was very encouraged to sing. I think, you know, I was homeschooled. But in the homeschool community, there's like, you know, DIY talent shows type stuff.

There's like homeschool talent shows. And it was the only thing I looked for. Like, I literally, all I wanted to do was be on a stage singing or dancing. It was like a little baby Coachella that you were wearing. Yeah.

And the first song I sang was Tomorrow from Annie, of course. And I think I was like eight or six. I think I was six. And right? I don't know.

I was a hard time with numbers, ages. But that I remember like, I don't even think I did, but I loved it so much. And the feeling of the crowd cheering was just the greatest thing. But I think my relationship to my voice, like I, this is going to sound weird. And I hope it doesn't sound like, pick me because I really mean it.

No more cringets over. No more cringets. No more cringets. Yeah. You're right.

But I never, like, I didn't think of myself as a singer. I just loved to sing. And then I remember like, when I was about 11, like Phineas would, you know, be with his friends and sometimes be like, well, my sister has a really good voice. And I'd be like, what? And then he'd be like, Billy sing the beginning of Baby by Justin Bieber.

And I would like, be like, well, well, and his friends would be like, oh, you know, well, well, yeah. And I remember like, doing it once and like messing it up. And I was like, yeah, I was so upset. Because really I wanted to be a dancer. That was like my thing.

I know. And then it would like make me sing at like the dance sleepover, like they'd like, Billy go up and sing. And I was too embarrassed. But then I would. That, I mean, that's like the, you're like the athlete that like played basketball.

And then like, I think I also like baseball and you're like, win the World Series. You're such a good dancer. I was barely a good dancer. I was like, love dancing so much. What was your thing?

Where are you ballet? I started dancing because I loved tap dancing. Oh, come on. Billy. So I was a tapper.

What? Yeah, I was a tapper. I started getting to tap. I was like, oh, I like this. And then I started doing hip hop.

And I loved hip hop. And then I would do contemporary. So that's my top three. And then because I fell in love with dance, I was like, well, now I have to do ballet to be part of the other stuff that's required. And then jazz and then lyrical.

And have you ever had a thing like maybe I'll dance when I sing? Right when I started getting good, I got a horrible injury and then I was not allowed to dance and I never danced ever again. Except I started dancing recently again. I mean, like a class every now and then. That's cool.

Which is really cool. But that's very cool. What did you injure? I injured my hip. And I was like, whoa, that's so intense and so interesting like how life like so that opens the door to the thing that you love doing anyway.

Right. Well, dude, what's crazy about the timing of it is that I started getting really serious with dance when I was 12. No, 13. And I like I dyed my hair platinum white that year. And then Finneas was like, dude, should we make a sound cloud page for fun and like maybe make some songs and put them out for fun like for our friends to play or whatever.

And so at the same time as I was getting really serious about dance, we had this idea. We recorded like some little stupid songs. And then my one of my dance teachers, Fred Diaz said, and I've told this story before, but literally like the older I get the more insane it is. He was like, really stay behind after class one day. And he was like, can you and Finneas make a song so that I can choreograph a dance to it and we can do it for the recital next year.

And I was so excited. And I thought, you know what? Finneas just wrote a song that I think is called Ocean Eyes. Maybe it could be that one. I go home and I'm like, Finneas Fred wants us to make a song.

Let's make it as like danceable as possible. We went home. We recorded Ocean Eyes, which he had written for his band. And he said it didn't feel right. And he wanted me to sing it anyway.

So we were already kind of going to do that. Anyway, we went to put it on SoundCloud. It had a free download link up. Anyone could download it for free. And we only put it on SoundCloud to send an easier link to the dance teacher.

And so we did. And then like that week I was getting ready for competition. And then a week later Finneas called me and he was like, Billy Ocean Eyes has a thousand streams, a thousand. And we were cheering and we were screaming and I was like, this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. This is all I could ever dream of.

A couple weeks go by. It starts getting bigger and bigger. Like Fred starts choreographing a dance to it. Competition is the next week. Things are getting bigger.

It's like, Hilly Dilly is posting it. Like, you know, New Music Friday or whatever. And like all these new outlets and we were getting reached out to by these labels and stuff. And then it's the last rehearsal before my first dance competition of the season. I have a solo in each combo.

I was so excited. We were done with rehearsal. We were about to leave. And our teacher was like, wait, let's do one more. No, just to film it.

And so we did one more. And we filmed it. And in the middle of my little twerk literally 12 years old, I'm like, my hip is like, and I got injured. And then I was, land on the floor. Couldn't walk.

Couldn't dance. Definitely. Couldn't do anything. We're going to interrupt this program.

And there's no deeper sadness than thinking I'm not going to get to do the thing that's right for me that I'm supposed to do. And then like this little, hey, over here, kind of thing happening. Well, when you think something is ruining your life and it's really actually saving your life. Yes. And I like that you're dancing again because there must be a little bit of trauma, honestly, around all of it.

So like you're just you're coming back as an adult going back and being like, maybe I can do this again as like a version that feels good to me, like where I can revisit it. Yeah, it's been really nice. Yeah. And it's so non-pressure. You know, it's just like a easy to compete.

Wow. We need you to do that. We need you to finish that routine. Yeah. You're right.

I mean, that would be the movie is like you go back out there. I need to do the competitions. To encore in Las Vegas with all the other teenagers. And I mean, I know we all like all of our stuff comes from our family, but it is all of our stuff comes from our family. And I imagine in that moment, I'm like really feeling for your mom in that moment, right?

Like she's got the saddest kid. Oh my God. Yeah. Like the saddest Billy who's missed this brokenhearted little and in pain. And then also your brother being like, Hey, let's do this sister.

And then it catching on and watching your family dynamic. And again, I don't know, but having the privilege of getting to see you interact with each other. I feel like that's the way in which you all kind of support those moments, like the big moments and the low moments. Yes. Like that's very special.

I know. Very special. It's really special. And I feel so in hindsight and present day. Yeah.

So grateful for that. Because I think I didn't even realize what I had because I already had it. And so I didn't know there could be another option. And I think that seeing, you know, sometimes like some other people who maybe didn't have that support, having to go through all of this stuff alone is really, it really, I just really feel for them. And I feel like, thank God I had my mom.

Thank God I had my brother, especially. Thank God I had my dad and the home that we that I grew up in, you know, and like my dog, you know, like these are all things that really bring up your dog a lot. I love these. You still have your dog? Like she passed away a couple years ago, but she was old as all fucking hell.

She was so old, goddamn it. Her legs were like this kind of situation. What was her name and tell us about your dog? Her name was Pepper. And she lived to like 16.

She was old as shit. I'm telling you. I'm a little greedy from the little rascals, which I loved. I loved the little rascals as a kid. She had like a, she was a pit bull mix and she had like a circle around her eye.

If I didn't have, you know, a dog with reactive issues, I would literally have 17 dogs. Like I have a dog. He's a sweetest boy in the whole wide world. His name is Shark. He's the sweetest boy.

He loves people. He loves his dog friends. He just has, he has a lot of reactive issues. Yeah. And he has since, I mean, I had him since he was five weeks old.

So it's interesting. Like I always thought, you know, a dog is the way they are because of how they were raised and to an extent that is true. Yeah. But they're like people also. No matter what anybody does.

And he just has like, he's just really anxious. He's very, very anxious. And when he sees a dog that he doesn't know, he sees it as a threat or something. But you know, if I introduce him in the right way to other dogs, then it's all perfectly good. But of course, like, of course you would be a person that would be able to handle something like that and understand that.

Yeah. But I think the difference is like he, he's a big gray pit bull mix. Yeah. And so the difference in having a reactive, bigger, stronger, more marginalized breed when they have anxiety and reactive behavioral issues is there's so much more of a stigma against them. And people already like the stigma against the bully breed and everything within there is so messed up.

It's like, you know, someone can have like a little tiny chihuahua. I love chihuahuas. I love all dogs. But like someone might have like a little dog who's like literally biting everyone and like, and it's like, and it just kills me. Oh, yeah.

My reactive dog owners out there. Yeah. You are seen. You are loved. It's a lot of work.

But I have like also, also, you know, I think it's like, I have such a love for animals. It makes sense to me that you're an empathetic, creative, open-hearted person living in a family that tries to be that way too, that you're trying to pay attention to that too. Also, if I may, and I'm sure you get this projected on you a lot, but the specialness of your relationship with you in Phineas, it's like, it's really delicious because it's kind of like every, it's like watching a healthy, it's like watching healthy siblings and watching like a man support women. I know. I know.

Like that just even that, like forget them being related. Just like a very, very talented, self-possessed, self-actualized man being very happy for a woman's success is already just like we're all like really hungry for. I know. Like, and just like speaking nicely about women we're all just like looking for. And then the way that you guys speak about each other.

Yeah. It's truly a magical gift that I've been given by who knows what, you know, my parents, something else. But you guys work a little differently. We do. We do.

When you're working differently, do you argue? We argue, but it's very, it's not like real argue. It's not, I like don't know how to put it. I think we go through periods of, you know, being not on the same wavelength. Like we're in different periods of our lives and that's when we can kind of butt heads a little bit.

But even then, I mean, like we got into like a nothing, like something that was so, didn't need to be an argument. And like literally we sat there and I said, can we go make music now? And he's like, yeah, and we went downstairs and we made a song and it was, we were laughing and giggling and talking. And I was just thinking that day, I was like, it is truly amazing that we can do that. And it's amazing that, you know, and I know all siblings have different relationships and that's a rare thing to have with a person, especially like a sibling and you work with them.

But it is kind of the blessing of working with your sibling because you can't, you can't break up with your sibling. It's not like, yes, this is true. I guess, I mean, like the arguing, it's like you can say something so hurtful. Yes. Especially like a little sister.

I can say something insane to Phineas. You have. And I have, sure. And also it's like sometimes I bet the challenge is to make sure you're like not too rough on each other. Yep, for sure.

Because the more familiar you are, the more amazing scene in your doc work in the kitchen where I think we should just finish the record and you're like, the record is bad. This sucks. And your mom is like, four. Right. I think you can learn from each other.

You know, like perfect mom, like I think Phineas has something that you need to be. I'm like her heart. I'm like, I'm going to go outside and fix the car. And you're all representing the voices in like a creative process. You're all representing that.

You're all those things at once. And you would probably not say to someone you were working with, like, that was bad. That sucks. Yeah. It's not good.

It's lame. Or like anything that I say to him, it's like we can literally jump all of the like, um, politeness, you know, we don't have to be like saving feelings and I can literally just be like, God, that's stupid. You know, that's just a stupid idea. And he's like, well, fuck you, you know, it's like, it's, it's, it just works like that. And I feel like I'm also just, you know, in another life, the life that we didn't have this happen to us, I would have maybe gone to college and moved away or moved away in general.

And what would, you know, I talked to friends or see online, like people talking about how like they don't live with their sibling anymore and they don't get to see their sibling and it's like, you live completely different lives. And I just feel like so grateful that I get to live a life where my brother is a constant part of my life. Yeah. And that I don't have to live in a different state than my brother. But I don't have to like never see him and not have, you know, and I think that's usually how it goes.

And I just, I feel really lucky in that way. And like you said, his, he is like just aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he's like my best friend, he's loves me so much. I know. And he's just the greatest brother in the world in the way that he has looked out for me. He's a big time protector.

So he wanted me to ask you a question. He did. Yeah. And I feel like it's a, it's a fake. It's a funny story.

It's a fake question. Okay. What is tomato bisque soup and how did you lose it? Wow. Okay.

Wow. Well, you know, all right, I'll tell you exactly the answer. I, okay, how far do I go? Well, I actually haven't talked about this. I was thinking literally last night how I haven't nobody know this is happening.

It's very sweet. It's very sweet. It's an instant sweet thing for my birthday. I was given a little hamster. Oh.

And she was a rescue from a house, a hoarder house that had 60 loose free roaming hamsters everywhere being just in shit and like in stuff and she was rescued. Don't you want to lottery? And she is so cute. Her name is tomato bisque soup and taking a turn. So tomato as we call her, she's a little dwarf hamster.

She's literally this fucking bit. She is so goddamn cute. You wouldn't even believe it. But she's used to be on street. She's used to be on the street.

She used to be on the street. Yeah. She's free roaming. She's free. She's wild.

Yeah. Wild but like living her life in her condition of tough. Yeah. I got her on my birthday which was December 18th and I got her like I must have spent you know lots of money on like random shit like little like like I got her like little because they have enrichment so they have a wheel and they have to have different levels. So like I do it all myself.

I'll show you. I will literally show you her house is insane. She lives in a fucking mansion. She her house is so big. It's like literally like her house is like this big and this tall and it's wooden.

But so there's these little vents and the top corners of the house that are like this big they're holes so they can breathe. Even I know the hamsters can get through those holes. It was a hamster house. Yeah. It was for a hamster.

You're right. You'd think that they would know that. Well and also it's a pie right so they can't even climb up the wall that we have to meet over. So tomatoes wild little freaky self. So it's like a month since I've had her.

I get home from a trip. I went on a little trip and I had put her seeds out and they're also nocturnal so you usually don't see them in the day. Oh. And also they like to burrow so like sometimes I wouldn't see her. She's like barely you can't really you're not always seeing her when she is there but she loves pumpkin seeds so much like little pepitas.

She loves them so much. And so I know that she's very happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she immediately comes out. So before I had left I put out some pumpkin seeds and then I came home many days later and the pumpkin seeds were still there. Goddamn it. And I thought you know what?

And you pulled back a little cover and she had made a little dummy like welcome to the house. She was like in a shot. She was like a little fake monster and she pulled into the side. She made a little tongue. I pictured.

I just thought like oh she's she's dug herself into a cute little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days have gone by since the last sight of her. So anyway one day. Oh no.

I'm like you know what I'm going to look for her because I want to make sure she's there. Of course. Obviously she's there but I'm just going to make sure. So I fucking go where I keep her houses in my closet on this like shelf that's like five feet up and I take all of her houses out of her house. I take all of these things called sprays which are these like long plants that are enrichment and I take them all out and I there's no sign of her and I'm like oh what's going on.

But I'm like okay but I still have to like dig through the bedding because she likes to crawl into the paper bedding. And I'm like starting to like worry a little but then I'm like am I going to find a little a little body and that was really freaking me out. But I'm like I'm not it's fine. She's going to be in here. She's sleeping.

And so I take everything out. It's only her bedding like and I'm literally like it's like looking through a lake for a dead body. I was like literally like doing like one of these like fingers through everything. I take everything out and she's nowhere to be gone. Oh no.

The bitch has literally vanished into the air and your VCR was missing. Right. The night that she was gone I'm like texting all my friends like she's gone. RIP love her so much. What the hell.

One month I'm having hamster and I already lost her into the walls. Like without. And she could have gone anywhere like truly anywhere. And I'm like just as a Hail Mary there's no way this is going to work. But I'm going to put her wheel on the ground and I'm going to put her favorite seeds on the wheel and I'm going to put her little mushroom house on the ground and I'm going to put her bedding in it and I'm going to put her seeds in it and like maybe a miracle will happen and she'll appear.

She'll reappear. Of course I don't think this is actually going to happen. I go to sleep. Oh my God. I'm like looking at videos of her and we wake up we're talking about like this is so sad.

How do we do this? How could we do this? We failed her. We are horrible people. We lay in bed for an hour talking about I can't believe we've done this.

And I'm like I'm going to go get dressed. Also like let's go check on the sad little seeds we left out right. I go into my closet the fucking seeds are gone. Gone. Dang.

And her bedding has been pulled out of her house that she and that's I know that that's like a thing she does she pulls out her bedding her seeds are gone. And I'm like dude her seeds are fucking gone is she here and I take some more seeds and I go to made up and I have a voice that she always comes out to I go and I hear no excuse me. And I hear no in the fucking wall it has been four days that she has been missing I hear this and I take the seeds and I like leave them all and I literally keep hearing like pulls out of the wall. I have literally chills she crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand.

And she's eating the seeds and she's like well that's right. She's wearing little silver. I'm living in the walls of the closet for four days with no food and no water waiting for me to fucking look for her and find her. Can you believe the story? She's incredible.

She's amazing. She's got a bigger house. I don't think she needs to be congratulated for escaping. This is like supporting bad behavior. I know you're right.

She's a bigger house. I felt bad. I felt like oh no did you not like living in a small house. Now she's so happy. She literally like her life is amazing really quick and I'll show you how I can see this forever.

Look at her house. Her house is insane. I just cleaned it up yesterday. That's my worst nightmare is that I get a rodent and it goes into the walls. Okay here is Tomatoes giant mansion house.

So if you look here's so she has different levels. She has her little tunnel. She has a lot going on. Listeners it's like there's a there's like it looks like a aquarium but with like outdoor seating. Oh there's almost like a fire pit like if she had guests over.

Yeah. Because I give her different bedding such that she has different textures. It's really nice. It's really nice. Really nice texture.

Right. Yeah. And then it looks like a beautiful L. She's spa. I mean it is.

Here's her on her wheel. Wait. Oh she's really. She's so freaking cute. And then here's me show.

I bumped my knee. You can actually hear it happening. And then here's what happens to my knee. So there's a video's answer. That's been his question.

I'm glad he asked. There we go. Incredible story. And scene. Okay we're going to finish the lightning round.

Finish. Wait but by the way so much to talk about. There's so much to talk about. Okay. We're going to finish the lightning round.

Okay go. Here we go. Just quick thoughts on these things. Tarantulas. Yes.

Yes. Are you afraid of spiders? I mean I'm afraid but you know what it's a spider. It's okay. You know I'm down but I don't want to touch it or anything but I'm glad you like it.

Horses. We talked about love. I want to have my own billy idol. They named the immunity idol after you. It's a billy eyelish idol.

So basically I wrote a letter to the contestants being like here's your secret idol. If you use this idol you can you know it's like what you know I'm a seems right. You know they have what you love about survivor. I love imagining that I could one day do it. Yeah.

But I am so bad with like like the math part of the problems are the things that I couldn't do. Yeah. Like I could do this. I feel that I could do this physical stuff. I mean I say that which sure knows it is so hard.

Yeah. I wouldn't be good at like when people like I have a little bit of like defiance disorder stuff. They were like you have to do too. I be like I don't have to do anything. I quit.

I quit. I have the same thing. I quit. I quit. Okay music you're listening to right now.

Honestly I've been listening to Kate Bush this week. He gets me. Yeah dude. Well that just I just love the spooky whimsical of it all. Isn't she incredible.

She's amazing. I like didn't even know she was so amazing. I mean army dreamers is so good so good. Oh my God. I heard the Peter Gabriel the song she sang with Peter Gabriel don't give up.

No. How did it go? Do you think they were fucking? I hope so. God, I hope so.

I just feel like this shoot where they're in a hug the entire song. God, I hope so. That's amazing. Isn't it so good? Wow.

Yeah, I don't know. I did not know Kate Bush was like that. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, we're going to finish with two things.

You have a big movie coming out and it is... I forgot. That's what you're calling. It's a concert movie about your... It's a concert movie.

Yes. So it's a concert film mainly. There's like some behind the scenes doc type stuff. But specifically it is the show, the hit me hard and soft tour filmed in 3D which is fucking awesome. Awesome.

Really, really cool. Thank you. I agree. I loved it so much. I just, I, I had the best time and B, it's like the best show I've ever made.

And I just, I felt proud to call that my show every single night that I did it. And I mourn the end of that tour and I'm excited for the next tour but I'm also like so, so grateful that we have it filmed forever. Like I will be able to watch it whenever I want, forever in 3D. Feel like I'm there. And same goes for everyone who watches it.

You know, people who didn't get to go to the show and they get to experience it or who did and want to re-experience it. Anyway, take a take. And what I love about that is I like to watch things in my home early in the afternoon or like, I don't like to, like, show for 2 days. I don't like to go out. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Shows are late. Shows are super late. And like loud. And then you stand for so long. And I hate standing.

I hate, I can't see anything. I hate, I just hate standing. I hate the feeling of it. I love to sit. Would you ever consider doing an afternoon show for people who like to do an afternoon show?

It's so funny. I've never even, it's just such a thing you do. I'm not even talking about it. That's what's great about like music festivals, honestly. That's kind of what I miss about being on the earlier side of the lineup because you get to go out there and the sun is out.

Yeah. And like, it's beautiful and then you get a night after. It's pretty nice. Yeah. Maybe I'll do that someday.

A little matinee. Oh my God, a matinee tour. What's your bedtime? Well, last night I had a fantastic sleep. Not to brag.

What did you get? What did you get? What did you get? I'm very worried about your sleep. Why?

You're a young person. That's true. I used to be terrible with sleep. I never slept. I had three different tour legs where I was gone and then home and then in Europe each time.

But so because of that, I was really becoming an early bedtime merman. And so since then, I kind of kept that up. I try to go to sleep before midnight every night, which used to be... Love this for you. I used to go to sleep like earliest two AM, usually three, maybe four.

Yeah. And now I'm like, if I can get in bed at like 10? Oh, I mean, I believe that I got to do this. Amazing. And also, sometimes like the happiness is just one sleep away.

It just really is sometimes like the reason why my day is so bad is because I haven't slept. 100%. I love it. Honestly, like when I got this or ring and this is not sponsored, I just, I love this or ring do. And since I got it, I've been like, I really don't play about my sleep now.

I really need my sleep. Let me as we finish up because I know we've kept you. But don't go out. I don't have anything else to do. Same.

Wait, I was just going to say, okay, we got to wrap this up. Oh, I feel like when I'm at a concert and people are talking really loud, I will turn around and say, please shut up. Yeah. Please shut up or just like be quiet. You know, like that I will do.

Yeah. Or a movie. Not so much. I'd be talking through a movie. I'd be talking through a movie.

I'd be talking through a movie. Billy. I know. Billy. I have to comment.

That is your gen. I was just like, oh, this is done to me so much. So many times. Has someone who I love dearly gone. Right.

Because I can't show the fuck up. Also, like, I'm a reactor. Like I rule react audibly. Let me remind people like I realized I'm talking to you about this that like you have tretts. Well, I was just going to say that.

to say that. I was just going to say that. I do have Tourette's and you know, I have vocal text but luckily for me and for everyone else, they're mostly just noises and I can keep them pretty quiet. I go through phases of words becoming texts but you know, there's a thing called suppressing if you ever heard of it and you know, when I'm in an interview, I'm doing everything in my power to suppress all of my texts constantly and as soon as I leave the room I have to let them all out with whatever. You have helped me a lot honestly, I'm realizing now as I'm talking to you and getting to know you're meeting you, you helped me a lot with my own intrusive thoughts which I didn't really know, I didn't have that term growing up, I didn't quite know what it was and you're you having them in real time or talking about them or even just like softly joking about them, like getting all the way full circle back to the idea of what we talked at the very beginning which is like coping mechanism and you're so soothing all that stuff in the way that you feel like comedy is important for life like we are living to laugh. It felt that way when I would have a thought that I just

thought like this is a really bad thought. This is a really bad end. This is this one I'm going to really never ever ever share. Right? Like ooh, this is and it took me so long in my adult life to realize those are intrusive thoughts of what they were and you really really really helped me with that. Really? Yeah, thank you for that. You really did. You were an example.

I know it so well. God, now imagine those intrusive thoughts but your mouth has to say them out loud. Right? And that is Torett syndrome. Right? And I think what's troubling about the way

that people do not understand what Torett is, like when people are like, you know, if I like start having like a tick attack or whatever, like a lot of ticks in a row and people are like, are you okay? You know, it's like, this is very much normal, like, you know, and also like, well, I didn't notice it's like, if you didn't see me tick today, you're not looking at my knees which are ticking constantly under the table and my elbows that are like, I'm clenching my arms the entire time and I'm doing this for the entire and it's because I'm currently because I'm on camera and I'm having a conversation and I'm trying not to be distracting. I'm really doing it this whole time as fun as I'm having, much fun as I'm having. I'm doing everything I can to suppress every single tick that's visible from the top of my head to about right here, you know, and that's like how we as people with Torett is pretty much spend our days and some people don't even have the privilege of getting to suppress them at all in any way. Right? Right. The not understanding of that is really frustrating

as a person with Torett's. I bet. Yeah. Thank you for, thank you for educating me and us for real because it is, it's like just yet another example of what you do so generously. Yeah. You're really, you're really generous person, Billy. You really like, share, thank

you. You share what you know, what you're feeling or what you're going through, you share with us. Like, we're very lucky that we get to hear things from you and hear and I'm really happy you did this. I'm such a fan of yours and I am so beyond excited to be in this room with you and do this podcast. I love you so much. Thank you for having me. Don't be aware,

but I need to get your cell phone number. Thank you, Billy, for coming. I love you. I love you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Good. Hey. Thank you, Billy Eilish. What an amazing person

and what a great conversation. Love talking to you. And for this polar plunge, look, it took everything I had not to sing Billy songs back to her. I know that can make things awkward, but I just want to remind everybody of the perfect lyrics that are in Billy songs, specifically happier than ever. Okay. Because I just want to remind, okay, I don't relate to you. I don't

relate to you know, because I'd never treat me this shitty. You made me hate this city and I don't talk shit about you on the internet. Never told anyone anything bad because that shit's embarrassing. You were my everything. And all that you did was make me fucking sad.

So don't waste the time. I don't have and don't try to make me feel bad. Okay. Okay. This is the end of the we got to go. Genius. Thanks for listening, everybody. Billy, you're a genius.

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