Hi, everyone. This is Catherine Adams and Elizabeth Wallace, and you're listening to Binary System number 518. And tonight we are going to recap Beastars episode 21. I know I said several times last week that we had just watched 19. We had not. We had watched 20. So sorry, sorry. We're now in episode 21. Yes, and I have some gripes. Actually, I have one specific gripe, and we should probably jump right to that because it is just like the overwhelming element.
So Legoshi's grandfather manages to introduce himself to Haru. And she's just, you know, because she's just shocked him and almost knocked him out. And he tells her that he is actually Legoshi's grandfather. And she doesn't believe him and she shocks him again, which is probably sensible. But then the next thing we switch to is her at his kitchen table looking through family photos. So he somehow managed to convince her that he really is Legoshi's grandfather. But at one point, you know, he, I think he handed something to Haru and accidentally touched her hand or something. So he runs out and grabs a disinfectant and cleans her hands off because his venom is very dangerous. So he starts reminiscing about Legoshi's grandmother.
And if you remember from previous episode, the two of them fell in love at first sight. Yes. Now, that theme continues where, despite the naysayers, they came together. They were in love. I think they got married. They had a baby. And he just says by some miracle. But here's the thing. Over and over and over again, he talks about how dangerous it is for him to touch anybody. And he's always wiping her down with antiseptic when they accidentally touch. So how the hell did they have a baby? I don't know. Because when he was talking with the Beastar early on about how she's pregnant...
It really felt like something that was accidental, like a wonderful miracle. It didn't sound like a complicated process of like getting sperm and egg and an embryo and making sure everything was safe. So somehow it sounds like they had sex to the point where she was able to get pregnant and have a baby. And yet without touching, I have no idea. I have no idea. But that, so is that your gripe? Because I have a different gripe. Oh, my gripe is the fact that, so Legoshi's grandfather is reminiscing about just how much in love they were. And he was always so careful about the venom. And she seemed to be like trying to get him to calm down about that a bit until.
One day she tells him that he's made her happier than she's ever been in her life, and she kisses him. And he freaks out and starts looking for the disinfectant, but he can't find it in time, and she dies. And it doesn't seem like something that was accidental. It was like she was freeing him from worrying about her getting his venom, which, what? Yeah, yeah. He even says, you know, she didn't want the venom to come between them. I'm like, well, that's a nice thought, but I don't think you can just think away the dangerousness of it. And then she tells him after she kisses him, I wanted you to know the deep bliss of a love without fear, and then dies. And I'm like...
What's happening? What's going on? I was like dumb. I was actually looking around and I found a Reddit thread where they were talking about this episode and rtext301 commented, what the fuck, Toki? I hope that kiss was worth traumatizing your husband for life and leaving him to raise your infant daughter by himself, I guess. And then the next person responded, impulsiveness as well as a lack of fear towards death and a tendency to underestimate how much you mean to others seems to run in the family. Yeah, boy, howdy, my God. I mean, I don't know. I mean, he even, he says, like, he does not seem angry about it. I would be kind of angry, you know, if my spouse had said, I just wanted you to know true love and then dies. I'd be kind of pissed off, but he's not. He says the only.
only reason I was able to fall in love with Toki was because of her thoughtfulness. I'm going, that doesn't make any sense at all. Nope, nope, nope. I mean, we were watching this and it finished the scene where she died and there's this pause and Nathan next to me says, well, that was terrible. It was just awful. I don't, I just don't understand. It's like that he thinks it's like some sweet gesture and everything. I'm like, she wanted you to like not have fear of the venom and then proceeds to prove that he had every right to be afraid of the venom because she fucking died. So I just, I mean, I know that manga and by extension anime can get really overwrought and emotional everything, but I just didn't get this. There was no reason for her to do that.
Who knows? Maybe if I were to read the manga, there would be a lot more emphasis on him actually being unhappy about the fact that his venom separates him from everybody. Sure. Just a little bit more lead up like that, or maybe she has a terminal disease and wasn't scared of, I mean, something other than, I wanted you to know true love, and now I'm taking it away by dying. Yeah, it just, it was probably one, I mean, and there's been some dumb moments on this show, people harrow for crying out loud, but this was, that one was particularly dumb, and I had to re-watch it to make sure that I hadn't missed something. I'm glad you did, because I was thinking, surely there was something I missed on that to make it make sense. No, I watched it all.
the way through and i'm like i am just as perplexed i have no idea what the hell you guys that's dumb so another scene that feels problematic is louis and his fiance and his fiance has invited him over to her place and she's just finished up a shower and he is gonna like make his excuses and do something else and she throws him on the bed and tells him you can just lie there i'll do all the work i'm like he actually shoves her off of him and she's obviously a little upset and he has to apologize and he finally says i can't do it with herbivores anymore. And I'm glad he added that because he seems to have been forgetting that he had a relationship with horror for a while. But yeah, he's just like, he is so in tune with carnivores now. That's all he's got an interest in. And he just doesn't think he can ever have sex with his fiance. And this does seem to be a little bit like homosexuality coded, you know, where two people are supposed to get married for the sake of the business, but you know, the guy is definitely gay and the woman isn't. And it does actually, it works. That kind of metaphor works because his fiance, I don't know, now that she knows what's going on, because she was saying something like, you know, am I so repulsive or whatever? He's like, no, no, no, it's not you. It's me.
She's really not bothered, but she wants the marriage to go forward because this has been a business proposition the entire time. Now more so than ever. You know, she wants to have the marriage and just let him do what he wants to do. But the most important thing is business. Yeah, it's business business. She's going to be inheriting her father's company. This merger, basically, with Louise's father's company is just going to allow her to do whatever she wants as far as her business goals are concerned. And they shake hands on it. And it all feels a little easy.
But after that whole thing with Legoshi's grandmother, like sacrificing herself for no reason, I can't tell where the show is going to go with something. I mean, it could be that she is setting up a grand plan of revenge or corporate takeover or something, and she's only pretending to be very sweetly okay with it. Or she's just okay with it. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. She could flip it around. She could be like really hiding how, I mean, you know, the whole woman scorned thing does have some basis in reality. It can cause some people to get really pissed off. So I don't know. Maybe she'll come back later and be like, you know, reject me, will you? But I don't, do you think that there's a chance that Louis is going to end up with Juno? I was wondering about that.
It sure seems like Juno is still head over heels for him to the point where she's like binging on ice cream sundaes. She's so upset about the whole thing. I don't know. I mean, sometimes it feels like he's really more into Legoshi, which would also be interesting. Yeah, it would be. And then the homosexuality wouldn't be subtext anymore. So, you know, because it's been some pretty loud subtext going on for a while. Yeah, the only thing that makes me think that that'll never happen is simply Legoshi's never really shown that interest in Louis. I mean, obviously Legoshi loves herbivores, but he is laser focused on Haru. Oh, yeah. I can't imagine him choosing anybody else but her at this point. Now, we had another scene with Legoshi down in the sewers with the rats. And one of them, like one of the children rats or whatever, is practicing martial arts and just waxing eloquent about this rat.
rabbit, bare knuckle boxer, fighter, whatever, that, you know, a female rabbit who was just kicking ass and taking names all over the fighting circuit. And I'm watching all this going, what's happening? Why are we doing all of this? I mean, do you remember they actually brought her up like earlier in the season? Do you remember that? I remember them bringing it up, but just bring it up. I think I saw somebody talk about the fact that it was a bigger storyline in the manga, but it does explain why you would.
put so much attention for one scene on it here, unless you actually plan to do more about it. And I don't think that they do. I don't think this character gets that much, much screen time at all, other than basically what we've got is like a TV screen and a bunch of photos posted up in a sewer wall. And that's kind of it. Yeah. And we've only got three more episodes for them to do something with her. So it's pretty late. It's not just pretty late in the season to bring her in. It's pretty late in the entire series to bring her in. You could have just sort of left that storyline out. I guess. I don't know. Unfortunately, I feel like the second half of the third season has kind of been the weakest of a lot, which is a shame because I've loved the series, but I'm just like, wow, I keep, I keep finishing the episode.
little irritated that they of the story beats that they chose true which is why i'm not as mad about the whole just incomprehensible thing that the goshi's grandmother did because in a way it's kind of nice to get pissed off like that what the hell are you doing anytime it makes you feel something it's pretty good so that's fine but yeah and then The whole bit with the shishigumi in this episode was also kind of like, not perplexing, just deeply disappointing. Yes, because they have decided that they're going to participate in this big celebration of meat today, whatever, but they have to have a leader of their gang in order to participate with all the other gangs. So one of the lions has decided he's going to be the leader and everyone's standing around him while he signs his name to this little placard that says leader. And then Melon comes in and Melon just basically throws dominance all over the place. And at one point he's like standing there while all the other shishigumi have guns pointed at him. And this is the point where Nathan said, there's been multiple times in this series where somebody could have just solved this.
problem of Melon with no problem whatsoever. And yet they don't because they still think he's crazy enough to be the leader of the Shishigumi. It's just weird. I don't know. I think some of it is because they agreed that he was the leader. They have made that arrangement. And that's why they wouldn't help Louis early on track him down because he's still their boss. And even though they were signing that little slip, whatever, to participate in the festival, it was just because he wasn't there. But now that he's back, there is still this idea that he's the leader and they are just loyal to a fault even when he cuts someone's hand off. God, yes. And he's the one that gets the most eloquent about how
you know, they're the only people that are crazy enough to have him for a leader, but he's the only one crazy enough to be their leader. And do you remember like the beginning half of the season, there was that scene where One of the Shishigumi, it was telling Melon, it's like he's the only complete creature they know because they're just carnivores, but he's the combination of both. So he's a whole person. I honestly thought they were faking a little bit on that to try to hide the fact that Louis was hiding in a closet nearby. No, I think it was all genuine. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, they just, they want so much to be the powerful clan that they had been before. Their boss tried to eat, to have sex with Haru and got killed and everything. Nothing has been good for them since then. And they're always trying to recapture that glory. And I guess Melon is just, he's such a dominating presence and so freaking crazy.
think this is like this will work but they would drop him in a heartbeat if louis agreed to come back right and sometimes i think that's the way they need to go i think that would be great if louis was back in charge of the shishigumi somehow but the fact that he's going to be in charge of the horns conglomerate kind of rolls out him being able to lead an illegal gang yeah yeah i think the story would make more sense if they became their own pride again like they led themselves again they don't need a dominating force to be at the head of the shishigumi and it would make more sense but this show will not always go in the way that makes sense for sure no it won't and i think the last scene of the episode is legoshi down in the sewers looking up and being able to see that the big festival for the celebration of meat has started and he sees Melon is out there, you know, front and center with all the other gang leaders. And that's where we end. Yeah, that's it. So nowhere hiding from Melon. He wasn't wearing a mask, so everybody gets to see that he's a mix. Yeah, and the animation for, again, for Legoshi, for Louis, for Louis' fiancé, for Melon, all of it is just the A-team.
And also the rats, they never have the B or the C team animating the rats. It's always really, really focused and elegant and everything. So it's an odd choice, but again, this show will just make the odd choices all the time. Yeah, I would say that not every episode dips into the C team or even the B team animators. Many of them do because, you know, you got to cut corners eventually. But yeah, I feel like in this season, it's been dipping more into the B and C team animators more than previous seasons, but it is the last season and that sometimes that happens. I don't know, but yeah. But yeah, when they're on, they're really on. They did a great job. Oh yeah.
Only other thing that I'm watching now, I'm still watching Better Call Saul. I just finished season four. And I think season four, the season four finale was like, you look at IMDb and it's one of the highest rated episodes. Like in the nines, it was rated that high. It's definitely really good. The show keeps surprising me where it goes, but I found it something interesting. Now you had said that the last episode of the series that you'd watched so far was when it was revealed that Chuck had actually been taping Jimmy and catching him admitting that he had committed fraud.
I think you had said that that was the end of season one, wasn't it? Yeah. End of season two. So you were a whole season further along than you thought you were. Oh, well, that makes me feel better. Yeah. Every time I log into Netflix, I see it pop up in my suggested things. I'm like, I know, I need to watch it. I know, I know, I know. I just, I mean, I still am amazed at how quickly I got back into it. Just so.
I don't know. I love when I get to that point of the TV show where it isn't, oh, I've got to watch an episode to try to catch up. It's like, I have some free time. I can watch an episode now. Ah, nice. Yes. I mean, I remember taking a pause on, and I've said this before, I took a pause on Breaking Bad after I watched the Fly episode and probably was away for it for over a year. And mom and dad, of all people, were like, oh, you really need to start watching it again. And I picked it up and blew through all of the episodes in like a shocking amount of time. So I'm confident I could do the same thing with Better Call Saul. I think so. Yeah, I think the characters...
there's a lot more likable characters in Better Call Saul. I think a lot of times either Walt was being horrible or his wife was what everyone interpreted as being awful. But in reality, it was someone who was trying to save her family from getting all of the scandal and jail time and everything else. So yeah, I think. It's a little bit harder to understand some motivation sometimes simply because they are better people, but it's always fun to watch. Yeah, and everybody, I mean, especially after watching Pluribus, I want to see more stuff with Rhea Seahorn, obviously. She's great. I mean, I'm enjoying her performances so much more now after seeing Pluribus when we just got to luxuriate in that fantastic acting of hers. Oh, so cool. Well, the only thing I wanted to mention real briefly is I did watch the first episode of Murder Drones, which is the second most popular show that Glitch has done. It is good. It is well-written. It is well-animated.
but it is so complicated and the characters look so much alike on purpose. They are all supposed to be robotic beings and everything. I'm just like, you're watching a scene go on. I'm going, I'm having trouble seeing what's happening here. And it's also, it's very dark in places. So it doesn't, I mean, man, that was one thing about Amazing Digital Circus. You never had a problem seeing what was going on because it was all so bright and contrasty and everybody was so distinctive. This little less so. I'm going to watch another couple episodes just so you can't base everything on the first one. So yeah, it was fine. It was good, but you know.
Amazing Digital Circus got beat with the first episode. It really did, yes. I mean, the fact that it was that combination of silly and pretty and bright and all that existential dread, it was just a winning combination there. Lord above. But I guess that will wrap us up for the week. So make sure to check out pixelatedgeek.com for all the book reviews, the movie reviews, the comic book reviews, the photo galleries. So we've got everybody's photo gallery up except Alex Dehekashan. And it's because he travels a lot. So he's got to nail his feet to the floor and get him to send me those photos. And you'll love him. He just always does such a great job. Fantastic job. I love those photos. Oh, man. So cool. All that and more, pixelatedgeek.com. So we should have a Night Vale episode next week. I think so. Yes. And I'll just continue watching Better Call Saul. I need to find some other stuff that I've been meaning to watch at some point. But I haven't thought of anything yet. No. I was just listening to one of our old episodes.
where we were talking about raised by wolves. Oh, wow. I know. Knowing how we didn't really get a real ending, it's really hard to recommend. And also, nothing was ever as good as that first episode. I saw at least one article where someone was marveling about the fact that that isn't even available on streaming anywhere. I mean, the idea that they didn't just cancel it. It's like they wiped it out of existence. But I don't know. I think the main two actors are on the Game of Thrones spinoff, or the House of the Dragon, I think. Something. I haven't watched it yet. I haven't watched it either yet, but I'm just like, well, I hope they're getting work because they did a fantastic job in that series. They were amazing. I'm sure we'll find something else to watch.
eventually it always does yes one way or the other we will talk to everybody in one week talk to y'all later now you said the last episode that you have watched of the season was the one where chuck was secretly car in the background yeah but i can cut that out because you were talking about it okay now you had said that the last episode that you had watched of this season i'm gonna try again okay and then mom and dad of all people were like oh you really need to watch it and there is a siren there's a siren there's a siren everybody drink everybody drink yeah it's right on my street
I swear to God, if there was any place else in the world, I would say we were about to get rain. Because the wind's picked up, and if you look to the east, there's, like, these slate gray clouds and everything. But it's a 0% chance of rain called for, so... Yeah, dude, go down with your bed. Wait for a little bit longer. So I was cut off when I was talking about Breaking Bad, right? Uh, yes, and Mom and Dad, of all people, had gotten you to watch it again. I'll start with Mom and Dad. I can still hear it. I can too, actually. There's a corner. It's really busy on the street today. And then we're just gonna deal with whatever we can. And now there's a bus, apparently.