This is Deborah Roberts here with another weekly episode of our latest true crime series, Blood and Water. Remember, you can get new episodes early by following Blood and Water on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you're listening right now. Here's the next episode of Blood and Water. The Montgomery County Cold Case Unit began re-examining Leslie Prier's murder in 2022.
It was around this time that Lauren Prier, now in her 40s, ran into an old flame at a restaurant in DC. There was some type of, not like a party, but just a gathering, and Eugene was there. Eugene Gleghor, her high school boyfriend. The two had split up, amicably, some 25 years earlier. And then I split.
Probably like three years ago? It wasn't that long ago, let me put it that way. This chance encounter was before detectives had the breakthrough we discussed in the last episode. Before, genetic genealogy led police to a blog, ran in Romanian, containing a family's history, and the name Gleghor. What was he like? Did he say anything to you? What was his demeanor?
He just came up and he was like, hi, I was like, I haven't seen you in so long, looking right in the eyes. The conversation, Lauren says, was perfectly civil, a brief catching up between 240-somethings who'd known each other a lifetime ago. And I was like, have you been? He was like, I got married again. I said, well, that's great.
You know, just casual conversation. And it wasn't a big deal. I didn't think anything of it. We hugged, like good to see you. Bye.
This would not be the last time Lauren Preer would see Eugene Gleghor. And the next time would be under vastly different circumstances, because not long after this chance run-in, detectives set their focus on Eugene Gleghor. He would put 1% out there and try to make himself look like one type of person, but behind closed doors, he was a different person. So who was Eugene Gleghor? And did he kill Leslie Preer?
From ABC Audio in 2020, I'm Stephanie Ramos, and this is Blood and Water. Episode 5, Eugene. As I mentioned, Eugene Gleghor and Lauren Preer broke up a few years prior to Leslie's murder. Before the breakup, the two were inseparable. They were part of a close-knit friend group.
Lauren and her high school friends still remember those times fondly, including one particular night in the spring of 1995. So here you are. This is the night of prom, correct? And that's Bryce. Bryce Thomas, one of Lauren's friends from high school.
Yeah, this was the night of prom, class of 1995. You know, gathered at Lauren's house. A couple of the parents were out front taking pictures. The photo shows three young couples, a boyzer dapper, if a little awkward, and what might be rented tuxedos. The girls look pure 90s with spaghetti strap mini dresses and face framing curls.
Lauren remembers Leslie playing Cool Mom that night. My mom had got us, which she shouldn't have done what she did. I got a thing of wine cooler, so we were having fun even though we are under 21. I remember getting a limousine after then and dancing more than I ever danced in my life. The song atop the Billboard charts for seven weeks that spring was Montel Jordan's, This is How We Do It.
So yeah, lots of dancing. We've stayed up all night. It was a beautiful evening. We had a blast. That was our prom night.
And that's my best friend Lisa. That's me. That's Eugene. There were couples and then there was Eugene and Lauren type of couple. And they were together always.
The two began dating in Lauren's junior year. After that, I says they started seeing each other all the time. It was always going out. It was Eugene and Lauren. Not just Eugene. It was an all-oriented, with a two-hundred-hundred-hundred-hundred-hundred.
He just became part of the group. We just became a crew. It was us. It was like I was sick in the world. Friends remember Eugene as a talker, a conversationalist.
Good with girls and good with parents. He was very charismatic. He was a ladies man. All the girls loved him. But I got him. So we just became a thing.
I mean, I loved him. Back then, I really did. Another friend, Lisa Wood, saw this young love, up close. I would say the relationship between Eugene and Lauren was as serious as one could be for high school. The couple stayed together, even after Lauren left for college.
I know for her it was, you know, it felt very special and she loved him. They were in a long-term committed relationship for years. Lauren's parents, her mom in particular, was definitely very welcoming of Eugene. Lauren says Eugene even joined the pre-ers on a couple of family vacations. My mom is just open door, you know. She loved him. She adored him.
And he came to my parents' house and I wasn't even at home yet. So he would be there at the house sometimes kind of waiting for you to come home. So he'd be there with your parents just hanging out. Absolutely. Without you there.
Correct. So they had their own relationship. I'm sure they had their own conversations. Their mom would engage in the conversation. I'm sure my dad was part of that.
But my mom and Eugene, I was like, oh my gosh, sports or something. Like we said in our last episode, Sandy Preyer never liked Eugene. Whether that paternal instinct was justified or not, it was true that Lauren and some of her friends were no strangers to some light mischief. Rice remembers smoking cigarettes with Eugene after school and spending time at his place. His house was very, very nice.
Big backyard was concealed in with bushes around the back. So he's at a hide from the parents. We would probably end up, you know, we would cut class together eventually and go hang out at his house and play video games the afternoon. You guys were rebels. I mean, smoking cigarettes, cutting class.
Yeah, that's a say we were a little bit more resourceful than a lot of other kids at our age. But some teenage mischief aside, Bryce was clear about who Eugene was. He had to be the last person to jump in. It's like, we got to scuffle with any guys from a different school and like everything, a kind of altercation. He would be one of the last people we want to have your back.
Not really a fighter. No, not a fighter at all. And by all accounts, Eugene and Lauren's breakup after four years or so together was amicable. We just had a talk and we both kind of agreed like we just had a mutual breakup. We were shopping for kids.
The two went their separate ways. Their lives went on and then Lauren lost her mom. By the time Leslie Preir was murdered, Lauren and Eugene had been broken up for about three years. For all intents and purposes, Eugene was out of the prayers lives and had been for years. But as cold case detectives looked into Eugene, Gligorps history, one date in particular stood out May 11, 2001, the day of Leslie Preir's funeral.
I remember this church service. And my dad and I were obviously sitting together and we sang Beatles songs. Lauren and her dad were surrounded by loved ones that day. Just the amount of people there, amount of friends from high school. It was very well attended and very well attended.
Lauren's friend Bryce was there along with droves of others, friends, family, acquaintances, all there to pay their respects. But Bryce noticed one person was missing from the church. I remember asking Lauren specifically as like, where is Eugene? And her saying to me that it was too much for him to handle. And I just remember me so upset just being, I can't believe that he would make this about him.
That's the most selfish thing I've ever heard. It just rubbed me so wrong. I was like, where the hell is Eugene? Sure, Eugene and Lauren had broken up a few years earlier. But other members of the Gligorps family did attend to the funeral.
Eugene's parents and brother were there. Two decades later, when cold case detectives were looking into Eugene, his absence on this day was suspicious. Detective Tara Augustine. His mom and dad and brother went to the funeral. So compelled because their families had this close relationship at one point.
But yeah, Eugene decided he didn't want to go out and they know signs. So where had Eugene been? Just a few days after the murder, he had been pulled over by police in a state in the middle of the country. No, we're near here. And later on after talking to some of his friends, we realized that he took a spare-the-moment trip to Oregon, all the way across the country to visit a friend that had moved there.
And he called him while he was on the way and said, Oh, I'm in Iowa. I'll be there in however many hours and caught the friend by surprise. So he took off right after the murder. He was on the road headed west. It was a troubling detail and there would be others.
Authorities scrutinized what Eugene Glee Gore had been up to in the years after Leslie Preer's death. What kind of man had he become? And what exactly was he capable of? This show is supported by SimpliSafe. For most of us, home security isn't really about the house.
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He reportedly hosted Super Bowl parties and joined Fantasy Football Leagues. He was married twice, divorced twice, and by 2018, he was back living around Washington, DC, working at a tech startup. My first impression of Eugene was that he was a very bubbly, friendly, gregarious person. You know, a classic sales person. Jordan Wires had just begun working at the same startup as Eugene.
People liked him a lot. Everyone was like, oh, that's Eugene. He was like a salesy kind of guy. I think probably that turns some people off of like, okay, well, you know, he's a fast talker and that kind of a thing. In the way that like a lot of salespeople was for people off, you know.
But Jordan liked Eugene. You know, I boss the time, set up some time with him to say, you know, talk to Eugene about what he does in his job. And I just remember leaving the meeting with good vibes and like, I mean, I was a young employee navigating how to be a professional. You know, I want him for advice all the time. Their office had a workplace mentorship program and Eugene became Jordan's mentor over countless trips to a Starbucks near their office.
Jordan's mentor doled out what seemed like hard earned wisdom. I didn't probe too much into his background. I everybody knew it was open knowledge that he didn't drink. He was a recovering alcoholic. He had clearly been to AA and internalized a lot of self help best practices, so to speak.
Jordan described Eugene as having a certain zen quality. Jordan says that at one point, Eugene gave him a gift. It was a copy of the self help classic before agreements, a practical guide to personal freedom. Can I remember the four agreements right now? No, some of the things I remember are you need to agree to not take anything personally.
How other people interact with you and go through the world is not a reflection of you. It's a reflection of them. Jordan says Eugene talked about concepts like self actualization and the importance of impulse control. I remember distinctly having lunch with him and him telling me, you know, having control over your thoughts as being able to see them as they come in and not just impulsively react to them as the first step for being able to have control over your life. He was clearly a guy who had done some readings, some self help books who had, like, I seemed to have been to therapy.
Maybe a little woo woo not in the sense of like, you know, he was into like, mysticism or anything. Like he just wasn't afraid to have conversations about difficult topics, egos, setting your ego aside about things. I mean, he really taught me a lot. He did. But a few years later, as detectives continued their investigation, they found more details that suggested Eugene might not always have been as zen as he seemed.
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Cold case detectives Tara Augustine and Allison DuPois had their big breakthrough in June 2024. That was when genetic genealogy led them to the name GleeGore. As I looked into Eugene, they found hints of a volatile past. So this is a petition for a protective order, and this was from his second wife after they got divorced. The petition was one of the documents laid out on a table during my interview with Detectives last summer.
It was filed in Maryland Court in 2021. There's a lot of details in here about the verbal and emotional abuse. So she was frightened. She was afraid of something. She thought he might go after her.
Detectives Augustine and DuPois would interview the woman who filed to this petition. I felt scared when I went to do the protective order. It was actually because he had threatened my boyfriend at the time. In the petition, she said Eugene came into her home unannounced. The homies to share to collect his belongings.
He had a lookout, and he showed up. He was supposed to let me know and get my approval before coming over and he just came in. And it was very scary and I ended up caught at the police. And I ended up leaving that house at that night. I did not stay there.
Okay. I was afraid. Yeah. The only time that I was like, oh my God, this is really scary. She wrote in the petition, Eugene is an addict and has two guns.
His behavior has been erratic and scary for a couple of years off and on. Eugene repeatedly calls me a whore and yells into my face. He throws objects, punches walls, and I fear for my safety when he has these outbursts. I am seeking protection from this verbal abuse and escalation. The petition was ultimately denied by the court, which said there were, quote, no reasonable grounds to believe that abuse has defined in the statute occurred.
Detectives also spoke with Glee Gore's other ex-wife. She said Glee Gore could be a different person when he drank. Was he like a dangerous one, like saying he would like harm himself or just being impulsive, going out, drinking, and driving or what kind of stuff? Second letter. Okay.
We definitely started taking two different directions where my friends was making salary to choose him. His was hiding a bottle under the kitchen counter while working kind of thing. But he did a really good job of, I guess, juggling hiding and what he would call that. It got to a point with both of them that they ended up getting divorced because of his substance abuse issues. For detectives, an image of Eugene Glee Gore was coming into focus.
Seeing that one of his ex-wives had filed for a petition for protection order, immediately that kind of put red flags in my mind because I'm like, okay, well, that's because of either a threat of violence or a fear of violence. When detectives suspected that Glee Gore might have killed Leslie Preer, they still needed more evidence. Remember at this point, the detectives have the crime scene DNA from an unknown male. They had used genetic geology to find possible relatives of whoever's DNA that was. That process led them to the name Glee Gore.
What detectives did not have was Eugene Glee Gore's DNA. Without that, they couldn't be sure that his DNA matched what was at the scene. And as the detective Augustine points out, getting a suspect's DNA is no easy task. It can quickly go sideways. In similar cases to this, when a suspect has been identified, there have been a couple of times where it hasn't worked out well, where a person who thinks they've gotten away with a crime for 20, 40 years, the police are coming to finally ask them for their DNA.
They know why because they killed someone and then it turns into a bad situation sometimes. So we wanted to try to do it in the safest way possible before we confronted Eugene with any of the evidence. So we decided that we were going to have some officers follow him and try to obtain a discarded DNA sample. Youth brushes, discarded chewing gum, flicked cigarette butts. Police have surreptitiously recovered DNA from all these objects and used them to crack cold cases.
Detectives Augustine and DuPois decided to do something similar to obtain a sample of Eugene Glee Gore's DNA. Doing our research, I realized that he was a frequent traveler and we got information that he was actually overseas and that he would be returning to the United States on a certain date and we had the flight information. Detectives learned that Glee Gore would be flying into Dallas Airport in Virginia. I really got information to our officers and they decided, okay, well, we'll pick up on them at the airport and see if we can get them getting rid of anything. According to court documents, when Glee Gore arrived at customs, he was pulled out of line by Customs and Border Patrol officers.
They took his passport and escorted him to an interview room. The room was mostly bare. There was a couch in a coffee table stocked with snacks and miniature bottles of water. Glee Gore sat on the couch while a CBP officer interviewed him. At some point, Glee Gore drank one of those bottles of water and left it on the coffee table.
Sometime after that, the officers let Glee Gore leave. He disappeared among the throngs of anonymous travelers, seemingly unaware that Montgomery County police had collected a potentially key piece of evidence. They were able to obtain a discarded water bottle and we collected that, submitted it to the lab. We obtained a sample on a Sunday and by Friday we had reports saying that it was a match. Finally, after more than two decades, you finally have a DNA match.
What was that like? I mean, it's always a huge sense of satisfaction when you can finally say, oh, we solved it. We know who did it. For detectives, there was no longer any doubt. Glee Gore had killed Muzzly Preer.
The DNA proved it. The news spread to the County prosecutor's office. States attorney John McCarthy. The lead prosecutor, she literally was jumping up and down. My God, we got to hit on this case.
If you put two years of your life as an investigator and a prosecutor into building probable cause for an arrest, it's a pretty joyful moment to realize you've got your God. Being able to give that answer to the entire family, to Lauren, and to clear her dad's name is huge. It was just really satisfying on multiple levels. But before Detective Augustine could share the news with Lauren and with the world, there was one more thing to do. Hey, stop it.
Hey, stop. With Eugene Glee Gore in custody, detectives finally have the opportunity to talk to him face to face and confront him with what they had found. Hi, Jane. Hello. It's interrogation, unlike any other.
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