Bonus Episode - The need for basic science research, with Vint Cerf

US scientific research institutions are under attack. DOGE-led cuts to National Science Foundation funding, caps on indirect research costs, firings at the National Institutes of Health, layoffs at the Department of Energy, and more will profoundly weaken the US' scientific standing.But what does this mean for the country, for companies, and for the data center sector? We speak to the 'father of the Internet' Vint Cerf, co-developer of the TCP/IP protocol, about why the Internet had to come out of government-backed research, what he learned from his time at the National Science Board, and how we can win back our future.