BONUS: Hugh White on the future of international relations without the US

2025 has been dominated by increasing pressure from the United States on international allies to boost defence spending and bear the brunt of widespread tariffs. As the Prime Minister struggles to meet with Donald Trump face-to-face to talk these issues through, some are suggesting Australia ought to look elsewhere for stable support. But just how does we go about shifting focus to our own backyard? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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