BONUS: Moving From Worry to Wonder with Isabela Granic of Liminal Learning (Guest Podcast: Life Itself with Jacob Kishere)

Send a love messageIsabella Granic on Liminal Learning, Neither Nor, and Education for FlourishingAndrea Hiott introduces a guest podcast from Life Itself, Jacob Kishere interviews developmental psychologist Isabella Granic about “education for flourishing” ahead of the Human Transformation in a Time of Metacrisis conference at Harvard. Granic describes shifting from studying anxiety and depression as psychopathology to seeing them as adaptive responses, and focuses on prevention by designing social contexts that support resilience and thriving. She frames learning as liberation from inherited narratives and introduces the “neither nor” framework, developed with philosopher Bryan Kam, which teaches oscillation between conceptual and experiential ways of knowing. Granic explains Liminal Learning, a year-long program for 18–25-year-olds beginning with a wilderness “quest,” followed by a digital hub, practices like appreciative inquiry, and collaborative “heists” to build small real-world projects, moving participants from worry to wonder to world-building. Find info here and below to participate.00:00 Embodied Learning Basics02:16 Podcast Intro and Who Its For06:18 Life Itself Guest Setup07:03 Flourishing and Mental Health12:40 Education as Liberation16:42 Neither Nor Framework21:50 Skills for Metacrisis Times28:39 Wilderness Quest and Stirrings32:34 Heists and World Building37:47 Games and Digital Hub46:52 Tech Shadows and Evidence57:44 Conference Questions and WrapLiminal Learning is in ther final week of welcoming participants for the upcoming UK Quest. Are you or do you know a young adult (18–25) — who’s feeling a bit lost, uncertain, in search of community, a way to explore purpose, or at a crossroads in these times? If so, our yearlong program could provide the support to transform their experience from worry into wonder.🎡 Quests and yearlong programs starting soon🌳 Kicks off in the Forest 🧑‍💻 Then moves to the online HubThe weeklong wilderness Quest is the starting point of Liminal Learning — a yearlong journey supporting young people to find direction, meaning, and confidence in work, study, and life. We focus on 3 core components the Quest, the Hub (our online community and continuation) and the Heist (our hybrid project based real-world experiment)✨ We have a small number of scholarship places still available, supported by our non-profit mission.👉 Quest details & applications here: https://liminal-learning.com/upcoming-questsWhat’s Liminal Learning?It begins with a weeklong retreat in nature, then continues with a year of learning, mentoring, and community — both online and in person. In a supportive cohort with peers and guides, participants explore purpose, values, and how they want to meet the world.👉 Full program overview: https://liminal-learning.com/programLife itself (https://lifeitself.org/) Jacob Kishere www.jacobkishere.com or www.theresonantman.com Harvard series videos starting with IGand theNeither Nor paperFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.Support the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.