Both Things Can Be True

In this conversation, Lisa reflects on what happens when the thing we survived becomes part of how we are seen, valued, and known. With care and honesty, she explores the complicated relationship between pain, identity, recognition, and healing—especially for Black women who have often been valued for what they carry, endure, or overcome. This is not a conversation about leaving our stories behind. It is an invitation to ask whether those stories still have room for the fullness of who we are becoming.