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And boy, I feel like we became really good friends in this interview and we talked about so many good things. We talked about her music and meeting her heroes. We talked about hair and the changing hairstyles and how that defines you. We talked about her new record, returning to myself and how great it is. And we may have even harmonized a little bit.
So get ready for that. But before we start this interview, we always talk to a person who knows our guest and wants to give me a question to ask this guest. And boy, we have a star in her own right, an incredibly talented singer, songwriter, musician from Texas. Marin Morris, Marin, you know from all of her hits from the high women which she performed with brandy. And she's just incredible.
And we are so thrilled to have Marin with us today. So Marin, hi, can you hear me? This episode is brought to you by Zoom. Many of us have been there. The calls were used on out for one second and missed six key points.
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I am on Swear right now in the UK. So I'm playing a show in Manchester tonight. So I'm backstage. Oh gosh, you're in pre-show mode. Yeah, but I got ready a little bit earlier today to look okay for you.
And yeah, it's kind of nice weather today. Like breezy, good walking weather. But yeah, I'm excited. We're talking to Brandy Carlisle today. Really appreciate that you're here to talk to us about her.
Because the work that you did together with the high women was so special. When did you first meet Brandy? Well, thank you so much. I remember when I met you at that Beatles event. You had mentioned that you loved the high women album.
You loved the record. I think a few months later, I was on the tonight show talking to Jimmy and he brought up the picture of us. And I was so embarrassed because I was crying when I met you. I already had like three glasses of wine. Oh my gosh, you were so sweet to me tonight.
Of course. It's such a pleasure. I mean, I love your music. Thank you. But yeah, the high women record.
That was like pretty early in my relationship with Brandy. I think we just clicked. And we met randomly at this event in Nashville, where I was receiving an award for something. But they were also doing a bunch of duets that night. And so I remember Brandy and I both sang Carol King, also over at the Franklin's.
You make me feel like a natural woman. And having been a Brandy fan since probably junior high, being able to sing that song with her and just go toe to toe vocally was so fun. I think it was probably a few months later Brandy called me. And it was like a day or the week my second record was coming out. And I was at 30 rock.
It was at the tonight show randomly. And just in the dressing room about to go on. She calls and she's like, I'm putting this girl group together. And I want to know if you want to be a part of it. It's going to be me, Amanda Shires, and Natalie Hemby.
And I was like, aha. And she goes, it's kind of like a tribute or extension of the highwaymen, like the Willie Nelson, Chris Kristofferson, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings record. And I was like, oh my god, I'm in. I didn't really have any more questions. I didn't have any questions.
Amazing. And it was just, yeah, like a sort of microcosm event because we did that one album. We did a few shows. We did like Newport Folk Festival, brought out Dolly Parton, which was insane. But a lot of these really major career moments like that I treasure that are my crown jewels are the high women experiences.
What was it like singing with Dolly Parton? You need to interview her. I think that would be. OK. Yeah, sure.
Dolly, Marin said that we would be great together. She just moved on the long list of the short list. Dolly, anytime, anywhere. Oh my god. She's just a legend and a real hero of mine.
What would she like to be around? I think very few people, I'll include you in this, exceed your expectations. When you have such a survey like history, watching someone or being inspired by someone from afar. So, yeah, just exceeded expectations is really punctual. I love that she is.
Of course she is. I've heard her precedence on being on time. Oh, wow. Of course, Dolly is very punctual. Actually, she was early.
Of course she was. Can you imagine running late for Dolly Parton? That is a stress dream. Like, can you imagine just like in traffic and you know Dolly's waiting for you? Yeah, just disappointing her.
I just think that I'd probably quit music. Totally. You just call ahead and you say, I'm sorry. I'm not going to make it in time. I quit music, Dolly.
But no, she's so lovely. And she's obviously just a hysterical dress to the nines. I mean, I assume she's maybe doing her own glam because this is like sort of a not filmed day in the studio, but she's putting us all the shame because she's in full hair and makeup. Like eight inch heels. We're both quite short.
So we bonded over that. How tall are you? I'm five one. Ooh. How tall are you?
I'm a towering five two. Ooh. What's it like down there? Also, this is something that I hope that I take away when I hopefully do this decades and decades on is that she sings every one of her songs in the original key of the year it came out. Dang.
A lot of people have to, as they age, and sometimes women, our voice is mature. Like I think they say like 35 or 36. I think about that with songwriters that are people starting to be aware in their 30s and 40s that they need to sing in lower keys. Yeah. I mean, I've found out the hard way.
Yeah, when you go out, yeah, I think you have to do it live. And like I made this way too high and fast. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, just incredible singer.
Brandy like really made it happen. I feel like she's reached out to these icons over the years and brought them into a space where we can fall in love with them over and over again. That's what I want to talk to her about. She is really good at exactly that. Drawing out the heroes of hers and of ours and kind of bringing them in and making them feel comfortable.
Like she's, she feels like she's, you said it yourself. She's like a doer. She makes things happen. She's a producer. She's also a good host.
You know, she's just making people feel comfortable, but also which I really relate to just quietly making them do things without them knowing that they're being pushed. Like she's a pusher to get things done, but everyone feels good when that's happening. That's a rare combination. I think that being able to go witness something really communal and almost like church, but for people that want to come together in a way that feels inclusive and safe for all. And yeah, just connect through these magic vibrations.
I think, you know, that's her rare gift. That's so cool. Okay. So do you have a question that you think I should ask Brandy today? I'm just wondering as she watches her girls get older and she's making music and touring and collaborating and achieving these incredible dreams she has.
Yeah, the integration of family throughout that. I feel like has always been really at the forefront for her and Catherine. And I'm just wondering like as her girls get older because my son's now five and a half, what is it like when they go to shows now? Are they excited to be there? Are they proud?
Are they over it? It's a great question. And actually it's a question, you know, it speaks to the bigger idea of like being a working mother. How does your kid want you to, you know, divide your time and how do you divide your time and how do you make your kid feel really seen? And also how do you pursue your dream and not and be like a good model for what it looks like to be a woman who loves to, you know, loves what she's doing.
So it's, yeah, it's, it's a question I think working women are always asking each other. And I think that's what women do so well is they say, how do you do it? And what are you doing? And how did it change? And what did, how did five look different than 10?
And yeah, great question. Great question. Marin, I'm obsessed with you. I really appreciate that you're talking to us on the before show. Thank you for that.
No, thank you. It's so good to talk to you. Have a great show. Break a leg. Okay.
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Randy Carlisle is here and we're talking already about SNL because you love doing SNL. I love it. And you love the time pressure. Yes. I think the watching all those people thrive under pressure is just it's a really unique thing.
You don't see that anywhere else. I know. And we were saying that like the idea of like time like a minute or two and SNL time feels like years. Yes. And then you think that's where they get you ready and they put you at the side of the stage and you're like, I know I have two more awards before my award award ever.
It's like 40 minutes. 40 minutes. I guess now you'll be having dinner a town. Exactly. They don't even come into your dressing room and I'll give you a warning at two minutes.
That's like, yeah. Brandi. Hi. Hi. I love you so much.
Oh my God. I'm saying, I love you. I was very, very excited to talk to you today. And you know, there's a million things I want to talk to you about today. But I want to stay in the present for a second because I'm loving your new record.
Thank you. I love all of your music. This one feels very, very, it feels like not to imprint myself on it, but it really feels like it's speaking to me. And you know, it's returning to myself. Came out in October.
As we start today, I want to ask you about the push and pull between being like introvert, extrovert your push and pull between being a connector and one community and like needing time to yourself. And I was kind of joking with someone and I was saying, what I love about Brandi's new record is it feels like, can I have five minutes to myself, please? That's what it feels like. That's in the subtext and not very many people have seen that you have. And you know, when I've been learning about you, it's like, you know, you have definite benevolent natural captain energy and you like to bring people together and you live with a lot of people, you have a lot of people around, you live a life that's very big and has a lot of people around.
And I love that a lot of the songs on this record are about, can I just like figure out what I actually want? Like, who am I in real time and when I'm alone? Is the music about that? Is the record about what is it like to be alone? Well, it's definitely about who am I when I am alone.
Who are you when you're alone? Yeah, well, I have sort of yet to figure that out. Same. And really? Yeah.
And then don't take the time. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a thing. So I don't know.
Yeah. And I've got to an age now where I've learned that sort of seen us maybe unevolved in some ways. And I got kind of self-conscious about it within the last year or two. And what am I? Do I have a made up mind?
Am I a bit unevolved that I haven't learned who I am when I'm alone? So have you ever thought about doing a silent retreat? I have thought about it. Does it scare you? It just really turns me off.
Like I just find that appalling. I don't know. It's like, what? Eight days of no talking? I don't know.
Waste of time. I'm doing a podcast that you can tell me. I love talking. But yeah, it's like, okay. And I'm always fascinated by people who are silent in general.
I'm always fascinated by people who stay still. I do find you have a stillness. You're not a, again, I'm just getting to know you, but I don't feel like you have a hectic energy. No, I don't think I do. And in terms of other than just committing to a lot of things all the time.
Yes. And that was my, so my wife would tell you that I'm chaotic in that way. Yeah. But like not to bring up a trim carpentry right away. But yesterday I had the day off.
Have you heard about, we've been talking about Trim Carpentry in this episode? Yes. Yes. Big fan of Trim Carpentry has said she spoke to you about Trim Carpentry. Yeah.
And then I heard that you are also a fan of Trim Carpentry, but are intimidated by working with wood. Big time because Nick Offerman, friend of the pod, friend of mine, also incredible woodworker. I'm sure he's into Trim Carpentry. Sure. As you would be.
That just seems to me like next level. What does Trim Carpentry have to do with what we're talking about? Well, the reason I was going to do this is for a beach set. I had the day off yesterday and I just spent six hours caulking window trim, just Trim Carpentry. Just six hours.
I always do them as caulking, just filling in gaps with like a bronze colored caulking, nail holes and kind of perfecting the appearance of the carpentry. And I was doing it with this guy that I used to plan a bandwidth when I was a teenager. And he's like, well, I guess he's one of my best friends. We only see each other once every few years. But when we do, we just get together and don't talk.
Wow. That's nice. There's like a bag of free-dose involved. There's like a bad radio station and there's just some curses of occasionally when the steak is made. And I wouldn't have done that day.
That's not how I would have spent the day if I'd had the option to do it alone. I wanted to spend the day with him not talking. Yes. And so that's how I do my time with other people. I'd rather be together, but that doesn't mean that I want to lay myself down across the puddle like a jacket to spend time with you.
We may not talk. You know, your music reminds me of this feeling and the record does too, which is that feeling when you're in another room and you can hear people talking. Like there's a party. I love that feeling. Me too.
Because I like the party. I want the party. I want people around, but I want to not be talking. When's your birthday? September 16th.
I wonder if that's characteristic of your son. I wonder why are you? What's your sign? I'm a Gemini. June 1st.
Okay. It's a very outward person. I can't understand Gemini today. Every day. It's like, what are we getting?
Yeah, I know. What are we getting? What's the real deal, Gemini? Twin City. Yeah, I know.
I don't know. You tell me. Did you feel like when you were a kid, I mean you have eldest daughter energy. You are, like I said, you're a doer. You like to get things done and you kind of quietly motivate people in ways that they don't realize they're being pushed.
Stop it. Game recognize game. You grew up in the middle of nowhere. Was it quiet where you were and were you alone a lot? It was chaotic.
Okay. And I still live in the middle of nowhere. But it was chaotic, you know? Yeah. Sometimes people lived with us.
Lots of friends over, lots of jam sessions, just lots of chaos all the time. Unpredictable environments. And I really thrive in those. And I still have this like, what was your childhood like? Well, suburban in many ways, but small house and everyone very kind of on top of each other.
And we were kind of the house where people would come through. So it's nice that way because people would come over, but busy house. And I felt like, you know, I wanted to do a lot of hiding. Like a lot of like going into the woods and going like, you know, getting on my bike and just like balancing quiet time and busy time. But a lively house full of a lot of love.
Yeah. And I was like, like, when you were just driving, my house felt like Saturday Night Live. No way, people moving giant pieces of furniture. Everything to the last second tons of pressure. Anything could change.
Nothing is guaranteed. And you have a little stand in the house. I mean, probably. I know it's entirely. I would think, I mean, I would think it's like everyone would be would fall into that category.
Waiting till the last minute. So that explains why I love being there so much because I'm like, why am I just thriving in this environment? You're just crushing like the light. Like the light. Like the light.
Yeah, just loving it. But that helps with performing, I think, because you just, you know, you can only have like so much time in the day where I mean, some people spend their whole day getting ready for their performance, but you just have to kind of create like a countdown for the performance. You can't stay performance ready all day. No, I mean, depending on like what your zone is, like what kind of performer you are to the element of like risk involved gets really can get really heavy. Like, I know exactly how to sing.
Like so if I'm, it just almost doesn't matter how high the stakes are. Like I'm going to sing. I'm going to be okay. But I have this theory that that, and I mean, I could be wrong and it's not to downgrade anybody else's pros. But I think that like musicians are obsessed with comedians.
Have you not noticed that? Well, here's my theory. Okay, tell me. Every comedian wishes they were a musician and every musician thinks they're a comedian. Like, I can't tell you how many musicians have been like, I'm really funny.
I'm like, well, I'm glad they think that. No, we get along. We get along. Yeah. Because I think we really appreciate what the other does and there's a similarity.
But also we sometimes feel like I, like I love, I, my, some of my favorite memories of SNL is watching musicians. Like I just in awe of what musicians get to do. But what do you think? Why do you think we kind of love each other? I think that, you know, musicians kind of worship comedians because of the risk that they're taking.
Like we know what it means to do our thing and then have that die to no reaction. And then I think comedians just think they're the top of the pyramid. That's totally what I just said. They're so intelligent. Well, and they also are like the cockiness to your point.
You have to be cocky to get out there and bomb or you're really in trouble. I mean, what do you do? It's like, it's like, like I said, I can sing them out of how high the stakes are. And if I'm going to play 12 songs, it's not the 12 songs I'm afraid of. It's the 15 seconds in between the songs of what I have to say.
And I'm not afraid of. That's what I'm afraid of. Okay, that's why I'm not a musician because I would have no problem with that. But the singing. Yeah.
So if we like recreated it, like if we were a band together, your banter and my singing would be unstoppable. You know, this is early in the interview, but I want to talk to you about your heroes. But can we just talk about the end of girls for a second? All day long. Okay.
First of all, the fact that one of them was called Amy was already like a dream Emily and Amy. You just you've heard them like when you were like a teenager, right? 1415? And you say they really motivated you to pick up a guitar. I mean, you were singing 100%.
Yeah. What was it about them? And you heard them because I have a theory about what it was for me. Like what I was and it's the same way I feel about your music. So go ahead.
You first. Well, I heard their voices first in that film Philadelphia. They were covering that road. So I can tell by your eyes that you've probably been crying forever. And I was like, what is that tone?
Like they don't sound male or female. They don't sound like they're singing to the same people that everyone else is singing to. There was just something galvanizing about their voices and the way they were making music that just like pulled me out of myself. I was like a 14 year old, made me curious about who they were. It wasn't even one of their songs.
And that's when my friend from School of Brianna Greco loaned me her swamp affiliate CD. And I was like, what is this? Listen to these harmonies. Like who's singing when it's staggered? It's out of text.
It's amazing. And it runs really well. I was just I became so obsessed with their musical complexity and harmonies that I just became devoted and a disciple. I went to everything they ever did. I sat in the line all day like from morning till night as major fan.
I'm still a major fan. What drew you to them? I guess sometimes it feels like there's different artists. There's artists that are in their own simulation. They're all kind of world and you get to come in and peek, but they're in their worlds.
Right. Like it has a style of dress and a style of speak and like a presence of culture around the artist. And you can visit their world and you get to just peek in. And then there are artists and I can say to you one of them who are relaxed and honestly confident in their talent just like the girls. And they say, come in, come over.
Like come over here. And they felt that way we wanted to sing every one of their songs. I knew their lyrics. And I was like, I sounded like them, which everybody who sings the Indigo Girls think they sound good. They don't.
And it's the same with your music. When I sing along your music, I'm like, I think I'm really good because there's a spirit behind it that isn't that's inclusive and it doesn't shut the door. It's really, it's hard to explain. But do you know what I'm talking about? They're so unaffected.
They sound like grown ass women. They always tap. So like when they open their mouths to sing, their actual voice comes out. They're not trying to please men or some kind of women. They're not trying to sound like anybody else on the radio.
There was just something so human about even the clothes they were in the way that they presented themselves. Right. That doesn't invite you in. And also the Indigo Girls, they come to you. They're famous for touring the small towns and the sheds and the community.
Do you know me and Dratch play them on us now? Yeah, I do remember that. The original Dratch, one scene it never came back. I don't know. And it was the Lance Armstrong, comedians Lance Armstrong, who's a host.
And Neil Young was a musical guest. And we had Neil come in to the Indigo Girls scene. And we just were like, I think we were just pretending we were doing a talk show probably. And it was us and like 14 dogs. Yeah.
That's exactly how Amy lives to this day. I think she's probably only got eight or nine right now. And I feel like we'll move off into a girl's, but I just have to say that it feels like as an alto, as a surprising alto. Because you would think I don't know. I think my voice is lower than it is, but I think it pitches quite high.
But switching to your point, switching back and forth, like wanting to decide if you want to say Emily's part or Amy's part. Can we say? Can we say? Okay, let's sing closer to Flynn. Here we go.
Sorry. Let me get my. We could do it. We could do a deep cut. I'll try to do Amy's part.
Okay. You start from the doctor. Here we go. Okay. One, two, three.
What do you want to do? I don't know. I went to the doctor. I went to the mountains. I should be lower.
Yeah. So I think you're, I went that too. I went to the doctor. Okay. Yeah.
Two, three, four. I went to the doctor. I went to the mountains. I love to children. Just a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah. You're right there though. You're in the zone. Yeah.
Okay. Three. I went to the doctor. I went to the mountains. I looked to the children.
I drank from the fountains. Girl, you got it. We feel so good. If I had a guitar, we would do nothing else to cover in the girls for the next hour. I'm totally sweating.
Yeah. I'm so sweating. That was so exciting. Who was the first person that told you you had a good voice? Because when someone says you have a good voice, like you remember it for a lifetime.
No one's ever asked me that before. I think I was my grandma to Loris or my mom and then definitely me. I really felt like I had a good voice. I was like seven years old. I was like, I'm fucking great.
I didn't. When I listen back to it now, I'm like, what is that? Oh, it's seven. Yeah. Yeah.
But I actually got on stage for the first time as like an eight year old. I got in like a community theater show called the Northwest Grand Ole Opry where we reenacted the Grand Ole Opry. So cute. And you go on Wednesday night and you teach the Opry Band your song and then they get you out on Friday and Saturday. And I was like the only kid.
And I did Tennessee Flat Top Box by Rosanne Cash. And I just remember like the very first time I did that. I walked out on stage and I wasn't nervous. I had glasses on and I can remember the lights in my glasses and seeing the kind of silhouette of like 300 people and being like, this is where I belong. This is the safest, most understood and loved place I could ever be.
I could ever be like, this is my job now. And it just never, it never went that just stayed. Wow. And so the audience told you that you could sing. Like in that moment, the audience was like, yes, we accept you here.
You're great. You knew it. Oh, so great. And the whole thing, they would come up to you at the end of the show and you'd design their program and you'd sign your little autograph and I just remember thinking, yeah, no, this is it. This is my job.
Wow. That's awesome. I mean, that's a good example too of like feeling calm in stressful situations. I tend to get like, you, I'm not so nervous when I'm doing something. Sometimes after it's done, I have like this discharge of nerves.
Does that mean? I was reading an article in the Guardian that is, it was such a smart article and it made me feel so like stupid, but kind of proud to be stupid, where it basically says that like that what you're talking about is totally necessary in terms of performers. These like, it's such a unnatural thing to have your psychosynthetic nervous system to do what we do that you have to lack an element of contextual intelligence to do it. I like it. I like it.
I like it to like people that can do penalty kicks and like free throws is like we have this thing where we don't think anything could go wrong. Totally. And I kind of just associate in a way of like, whatever, what's the worst thing happening exactly? Yeah. And then just something does go wrong.
So if you do miss the free throw or you do miss the penalty, which you do all the time, right? You don't think, well, of course I did. Chances are I would. It's a tiny ball, tiny net. You just go, that was weird.
That'll never happen again. And it's like that repetition of stupidity is what? It's so true. It is. I mean, like, SNO is a really good training ground for that live performance in general is really good because you have a mistake.
Do you, does this happen to you when there's a tiny mistake? Not a terrible, like, you don't want something bad. But when there's a time mistake, do you get a little energized? Yeah. Like, as you're like, I got to save it.
Yeah. I can do one. I can do two. Yeah. And it's a little bit exciting.
Yeah. Because two mistakes. No. But one is like kind of good. Do you remember a mistake that happened when you were performing and you just, you know, I don't know, like a mic went out or someone didn't come and meet and you just had a moment of like pure excitement and that like the tingle of that?
Yeah. But it happens so often there isn't like a notable one. There's this guy. Like this like guitar solo master. He's a dude that like I've toured with just because if I can have this happen twice in a show, it's like takes the show over the top.
So this dude and he will never admit this, but like he'll start out his guitar solo with like a couple of like maybe stock licks or just like a couple of notes that are like, those are tasteful. And then he'll make a mistake and you then it rallies everyone to his to his support. Like we rage to his side and we go, Oh, no, he's, he might not have this. Oh, like so good. Oh God.
And then he looks a little frazzled with his face, his head a little bit and he kind of does the next lick and it's okay. And by the end of it, he's just shredding and you realize that there's no way you could ever make a mistake. But that mistake drawing everyone in, not just to listen to him, but to like, you want to support him. Yeah. And then his victory becomes your victory.
So one mistake does that in a performance or a song to mistakes is like she's not prepared. It's so true. And you're absolutely like the way you take in the mistake. Like, haha. This episode is brought to you by Apple Watch.
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It's like if the bride has a good time at the wedding, it's a fun wedding, like period at the end. But it's a hard lesson to learn which is telling people to relax is really hard. How do you relax when you're about to perform? How do you just, it just comes natural and always has? Well, you should drink a little bit.
Sure. Sure, that works. Drink a little bit and then you stop drinking a little bit before you go on stage. And then it's starting over from never having drank a little bit, so that sucked. Yeah, I don't drink anymore.
I can't handle it. I just get too drunk too fast. I know to drink a lot of things really fast, like a camel. No, I know what you mean. I just a little bit and suddenly you're like, oh, I'm not on my game.
I'm not a shark. And then it's like the spiral afterwards. That's the thing I can't deal with. And then pretend the spiral just happened in front of a few thousand people. And then whatever you say, you have to like say that the next day.
So that's not the thing. We're back to the few minutes between the song. Back to the few minutes between the song. You decide to get like overtly political in like an ironic way or you just make the joke and you were in the pick of destiny. Yeah, it's an easy.
Yeah. I might tell the story again. I just told the story on Stern a little bit. Oh, you already told me. I don't want any sloppies.
I don't want any sloppies. I don't want any sloppies. But you were in the film. But you got to tell when you, I love Howard, but when you're on Stern, you got to give Stern a good story. Like you got to bring some meat to.
I'm going to tell you the story and you can tell it out if you want to. I just think that you would appreciate it because we were on the subject of drinking and then getting on stage in front of people. So I thought everyone had seen the pick of destiny. Jack Black and Kyle Gass is tenacious D. So Jack Black is an abandoned called tenacious D, which made a movie called the pick of destiny, which is a real cult classic.
But it was my favorite movie. I memorized every line in these guys because this was like how I was in bands like this. They have to win the battle of bands because they have to pay their rent, but they're never going to win the battle of bands without the pick of destiny, which is like a piece of the devil's horn or a toenail or something. And it's like, but to win the battle of bands, I've got to learn a couple of moves. And one of the moves is called the rock slide.
The other move is called the cock push up. Yeah, they used to do cock push up. And so my audience didn't see the pick of destiny. I believed everyone had seen the pick of destiny. So I was in Las Vegas and I was on stage and I was having a few drinks and I decided to jump off the drum riser.
And my hand knees just didn't hold. They just buckled. And so I kind of like went on my knees and I kind of styled it and I did like the rock back on the knees thing. And after the song I stood up and this is why I'm afraid of the 15 seconds during the songs and I said to the audience, I said, well, now that you've seen my rock slide. No, it's time for my cock push up.
This is a good story for turn. And that didn't go for nobody. Nobody knew. You know, my friend was telling, you know, a couple of thousand middle age lesbians. Do you have a cock push up?
Do you have a... So I don't drink anymore. Are you done drinking? I know I'm done drinking. I'm working.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's harder as we get older. I just think it's like everything is harder and everything is better. Yeah. Like it's better.
What's good about getting older? Well, I mean, I think it's trouble with this migraine medication in my pocket at all times. You're a whole ship. Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor.
No, it's unsponsored. But that's just there. Yeah. Okay. So I can't really drink.
So we talk about these packages. You have your teeth. You're desperate. Well, that's because you have your own teeth. Not everybody has their own teeth.
So what were you asking? Okay. So anyway, it's getting older. Every year I get older. I love being older than I love being younger.
Yeah. Me too. I just love it. I like everything. I like the way that my reverence has grown and sense of humor has changed.
I choose myself in more situations. I like the way my face looks. I like it. I like it. Yeah, me too.
I mean, I don't think enough people talk about it. They just talk about... I mean, 50s have... I'm 54. The 50s have been my favorite decade.
Oh, by far. That's what I think is going to happen. I know there's a lot that comes along with it, and especially for people who don't feel like they're in the place they should be. Like that feels really hurt, can be really hurtful and stressful, where they're not with the person they should be with, or they've had a lot that they've gone through. But I don't think enough people talk about how it just can get better and better and better, which is so we're so obsessed with youth.
Yeah. And I really, we really, and I love young people too. Yeah, me too. I love young people. And I'm always like, oh, enjoy that space, be there.
You know, and I have kids too. And I'm like, oh my God, be a kid, be a kid. But if I'm really honest, that wasn't my favorite part of my life. Even if you know, I walked in front of a bus tomorrow, and I got to like my life flash before my eyes, I think I probably see the last five years. Yes.
Yeah, very cool. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of young people that love you and relate to you and feel seen by you, and love your music. And you do this thing, I think, for a lot of people where you bridge older artists and bring them back into this like present world. And there's a million people that you work with, incredible artists.
First of all, what is it like to work with your heroes? Like Elton John, Joni Mitchell. Like when you meet them, how do you manage that feeling of Indigo Girls? Where you are like, I was a young brandy, was a fan waiting outside, and now we're together, and I'm gonna, you know, I'm kind of helping produce this thing we're doing together. What's that feeling like, how do you do it?
That's a really good question, and it's a sacred feeling. It's a really sacred feeling because, like, and I guess also the older I get, and the more young people do come up to me and say things to me that I remember saying to my heroes, like I'm that kind of fan, like I'm a weight out, so I turn to a bus kind of fan. So like, I'm hearing these words, and I'm like, I remember those words. And I'm just remembering, like, I'm just understanding how full circle life can be and how human we all are. I actually don't see, I don't even understand, like, what a fan is without the context of me, you know?
Because everybody, that like, I really idolize, like I've got to be friends with. And so there is a part of that that never goes away. And it sort of like sneaks up on you, like, Deja vu or something, you'll be in an interaction that is feeling totally normal, and then suddenly one thing will flash through the room, and you'll be like, oh my God, this is Elton John. And it's like, those moments are, I really cherish them. I just grab and hold on to them and I go, yeah, yeah, you did it, you did it.
Yeah, and it's also an indication that you're still in touch with that part of yourself. Like, you don't feel like above it or beyond it or over it. Yeah, that's really cool. And staying in touch with that part of myself keeps me honest in my responsibility within my job to other people that like my music and by that concert ticket and get the babysitter and get dressed up and go out for the night. Like, I'm really gonna show up for that gig because I just understand.
What's Elton like? I've never met him and he seems incredibly... Like, also he's always discovering new artists. Always, like, he's really in a new music all the time. You've never met him? No.
See, Elton is most people have met Elton because he's so social and he's just so like, you will meet him and he'll... Like, real extrovert, absolutely love him, total extrovert, but like one of those people that's reached, maybe the most iconic status that you can possibly reach with absolutely no trace of narcissism. Whoa! I know, like he's competitive and he's intense. And he knows he's Elton John.
I love the competitive person. God, I know so do I. I'm gonna get a lot of it. You know, I'm gonna try to win a little bit. But he will ask you questions and listen to your answers and be just genuinely intrigued by you, you know?
And that's why he's discovering all these younger artists. He's just an exceptional man. Yeah. One's an a millennium man. And you work with Dolly who just...
That's another one. What does it like to sing next to Dolly? What does that feel like? It's Dolly Parn. She's impeccable. She does not miss.
So the standard is like so high. Like Dolly is the boss. And so when I show up for Dolly, like I show up on time, buttoned all the way up to the top button and I don't miss. I know everything I'm supposed to do. And she doesn't like ask you to meet that standard, but it's there like Dolly is high expectations.
And she's just amazing. And the work you've done recently with Joni by Joni Side is just so cool. It felt like you were the professional and fan at the same time. That's such a nice thing to say. Well, that's such a nice thing to say.
And a nice way to look at it. I felt like a student a lot of the time because that music was so wildly complex and inaccessible to me at first. Even though I was a fan of it, I had never had to get inside of it and learn phrasing and learn the key changes of the melody. It's a roller coaster. The melody's a roller coaster.
So you don't have any of those twists and turns ready. And then take that and combine it with the fact that Joni doesn't ever like to do the same thing twice. And if she thinks you know what she's going to do, she's not going to do it. So it's a really wild thing getting to sit shotgun next to Joni. And as her recovery has progressed, and she's gotten more and more and more that way.
And I see the spirit of who Joni Mitchell has always been more and more every day that she delves into her own music. And it must be so cool to talk to young teenagers who are discovering her for the first time. Well, they come up to me in mass. That's probably the thing I end up talking about the most. And I love it.
Like I never go tired of talking about Joni in the Joni journey. But younger people and much older people are like that is the thing everyone comes to me and says, OK, look, I've got Joni Mitchell's tattooed on my arm. Like really like Gracie Abrams. That's how I met Gracie. I'm also thinking about that sweet performer, Benicio.
Oh, yeah, Benicio. Who sang the joke with you many times, which is what an incredible song. And just the way it's not easy to sing with legends and young people who are kind of just starting out. And the way you performed with Chris Farley. I'm like, remember that.
That's my question. Do you remember when you did it? I do. I remember Benicio. But that was such a beautiful moment.
You had really changed. How does this all change, depending on who you perform it with? First of all, the innocence of that with Benicio. I was so impulsive back then. I was just the public school.
I went to the town. I live in. A couple of times a year, I'll do something for them. I'll just go speak in assembly or whatever. It actually feels good to be cool in that school.
I'm an adult. I could not. It's cool. No, no one was. So I went there and Benicio came up and sang that song.
And it was stunning. I was like, I'm going to be on TV next week. Come with me in New York. And I could be so impulsive. Like the stakes were like, I don't want to say they were low.
Like back then, like I didn't know I was going to wear. And I just took a kid from my school with me. And I remember like, it had been no big deal to me, because I'd already been doing it so much at that point. You know, when we, they say on those, what was it, Seth? Or was it, OK, this is a great question, because I tried to look it up.
I don't have a laptop. I can't find it. I can't find it. I can't find it. I can't find it.
I can't remember which one it was. It said Late Show, which could mean 45 different shows. Yeah. I said it had the word late in it. And I thought it was Jimmy Fallon.
Then I'm going to go back to the whiteboard. But Seth, I should be able to find it. But I cannot find it. And also, I'm not great at looking things up. Well, in these shows, which I love doing, they say you can retake if you need to, but you don't.
You're not supposed to. So, but Benicio froze. And he totally froze. And we walked backstage at the thing, and he was just crying. And I was like, Benny, I understand.
It's like you're so young. And maybe, I don't know, I should have talked to you about this a little bit more. It's OK. Like listen, you're not supposed to retake it. But let me go out and see if they'll let us do it again.
And they did. And so the band went back out, reset up, and we did it again. Randy. And the real lesson in that was, if there was anything about that, that was, I think, really good for Benicio's growth, was that mistake, that failure, that moment of catastrophe turned into a total triumph. It was so triumph.
And that makes so much sense, because your joy in the way he was singing with you, you could feel it in that performance. And it makes a lot of sense that you were really excited that he was nailing it. Yeah. And it was twice the victory, because he got it together. That's what we have to do.
We have to pull it together and just try. That's what winners do. Yeah. I mean, not like it's competition, but well done, Benicio. Can I ask you your relationship to your hair?
Because it's a deeper question for me about how we all play around with our mask and femme energy, basically. Yeah, yeah. And you, when you were young, watching Little Fair, and then when you came out as an artist, when I first saw you, you had long hair. And I'm curious how you have changed and how your hair has changed. And are they connected?
Yeah. And that's such a interesting and intuitive question. No one has ever asked me a question like that before. And I'm very conscious of my hair. I mean, too.
I think hair is political, right? Yeah. And it's interesting our relationship within a change is all the time. And we're telling people who we are through it. Yeah.
Well, somebody asked me recently about coming out about when I really, truly felt like I had stepped into my authentic self. And I just, without even thinking about it, I said, when I come here, when I come here. And at that time in my life, if you saw on the Lilith doc, I had a little boy almost buzz cut, hair cut. And I loved it. It was so freeing.
I loved having it off my neck. I loved that my mom hated it. I loved everything about that haircut. And then, yeah. And then I definitely have played around with and felt comfortable moving in and out of gender representation throughout all of my adolescence.
And a lot of times it would depend on my girlfriend, like what girlfriend I had and what her hair was like. But I've always liked how I looked and changing that and asking myself if I liked where I was at. And yeah, hair is like the first thing it is to address. Yeah. We kind of make jokes in the world where someone has the same hairstyle for four years.
But what's behind that? What's behind that is like a fear of like, if I change. Yeah. Will I recognize myself? Right.
Will I recognize myself? Because so many people want to, they want to feel younger. They want to feel like the version of themselves when they were feeling the best about themselves. That's what happens. I know in so much of his hair, we make fun of like man with comovers, for example, right?
We make fun of people who like, well, like, I don't know. It's just there's a lot of self-esteem that comes from hair. I don't like making any sense here. You're making too much sense. Plus, I do feel like for me, if I wanted to grow my hair, I don't think it would grow long past a certain point.
Yeah. I feel like it would actually physically just be like, nope, you're getting a mob. You're just going to pop the self. Just pop the self. Split at the ear.
But no, I know what you mean. That is something that comes in all the time. And then add queerness to that. And the gender issue that you so intuitively pointed out to that. And then it can get another layer of complication, for sure.
But I have definitely seen that when a central core group of lesbians will sort of set a trend for themselves, and not alone, by the way. Usually it takes a team like it does with me. But then you will start to see lesbians everywhere looking. Like I've noticed that me and Kate McKinnon are morphing into each other in more ways than once. I didn't say it.
OK. OK, I want to talk to you a little bit about touring. You really nicely came. When Tina and I were on tour, you really nicely came one time and did our show, which was so nice of you. I don't think you know how enthused I was to get to do that.
I don't think what I did to get home so that I could do that. Oh, I really thank you. It wasn't even a thank you thing. It was like, it's a thank you from me. I was so excited to get to do that.
I love you guys so much. You said famously that like your first of all, I love everything you've done, all the movies and all the movie. Oh, thank you. You want to take a dance? Stop right now.
Take a dance and eat it up and leave. But you said that you're the best SNL cast to the one when you're 13. Not for me. It was the late 90s to mid, early 2000s. That is my SNL cast.
So you guys are like everything to me. And I was so excited to get to go there and do you. We had an amazing couple of years. I got to say, when I look at who I was on SNL with at the time, it was crazy heavy hitters. Anna, Maya, you, Tina, Rachel, I mean Will, her ratio.
Yes. Did you cross over with Chris? Chris, you can. Yeah. I don't know.
I'm just saying, you can cut this if you want. But I'm just such a fan and to get to do that with you guys. It's funny that you bring him to yesterday. My kid was eating mango and he was like, you want the mango? And I was like, do you want to the mango?
And he was like, what? And I was like, oh, there's a character named mango that you want to mango. Yeah. No. And so but touring is its own thing.
And it's own, you know, and I'm sure you have it down. You've toured a million different ways and you figured out like how you like to tour. What do you like about touring and what have you adjusted now to make you like it even more? How do you adjust it brandy style? So you know what I mean?
Like, oh, if I'm going to be in the city, I'm going to make sure that I don't visit anybody and don't do anything, but just do my show or I'm going to back time three hours from the show and make sure I have a sake or whatever. Yeah. Well, it's changed so much because you've accumulated people and restaurants and places and parks and walks and little urban rivers to fish in my case. Yeah. Yeah.
Fish. Yeah. So I've acquired memories in each of these, each of these places, they're my place now. And so yeah, I go there and I do all those things. And now that I'm older and I can't sing as uninhibitively as I used to when I was younger and I used to just blow my voice out all the time.
I'm really careful about days off. So I wind up getting a day off usually in most cities to sort of experience it. One thing I can't do is sleep all day. That's not good for me emotionally. And like I said, I can't do too much drinking.
Yeah. And let's talk about sleep for a second. Yeah, sleep, man. Do you like it? Well, we got to do it.
I do. What do you do? What's your bedtime routine? Okay. Well, an embalting heating pad.
Have you know about the bio mat? Yeah. You know, Alana Smarts, that just sent me one. And it's changed. It changed.
My first thoughts, impossible to get up off of it. Once again, I sucks you in like. Yeah. And you got to be so careful not to bed rot when you're not sleeping. Like don't go back to that bed.
Yeah. Once you get out. Do you put your bio mat in your bed? I mean, be careful. For those people that don't know it's there's many versions of it, but it's basically like a giant heating pad that has crystals in it or whatever.
Whatever they say. And it grounds you. Yeah. But my bedtime routine is yeah, I go on the heating pad. And I take a melatonin gummy.
Nice. And I talk with my wife when we do the debrief of the day. That's I think so important for I think that's so I don't know. Do you do that? Yeah, I love the I love that being able to kind of review like have a review of the day.
Yes. Out of your own head and the way that you saw yourself and your own behavior here. Somebody else's take on it. Yeah. If you're developing conspiracy theories about other people or starting to crystallize into like weird political, you know, belief systems.
Yeah. You learned you went down a rabbit hole or whatever and then you just you have a conversation with a human being that knows you at night. Yeah. And it's a real head cleansing experience. And it's also a time where you can kind of decide like I'm going to drag some of these things to trash and then someone's going to kind of take with me to the next day.
Yeah. Like some I'm going to just kind of talk through and then they're going to float away. Yeah. And other things I'm going to remember and keep. Yeah.
And you got a dream calibrate. Yeah. Yeah. And then you go. Do you wear an eye shade?
Yeah. Lately. Interesting. Ear plugs? No.
I feel claustrophobic when I put in ear plugs. Yeah. Same. I can't do ear plugs. And I shade.
I can't really do either. I need some help. Okay. I got some lots. Really?
Tell me. Okay. So I'm a big mattress person. The first thing I did when I made any money was by every single person I know a mattress. Whoa.
That's such a baller move. It was like when Tempur-Pedix first came out and I didn't have that much money. Some of my finance. You're like, I'm going to get this face someday. Yes.
Exactly. That is awesome. But I could because of the sleep thing like you know, but that was like that was when Tempur-Pedix first came out. So I was like a big Tempur-Pedic person and you're not going to get paid by Tempur-Pedic. Yes.
I'm going to get a pretty good Tempur-Pedic mattress. And lately I've really been into this other mattress called the Purple Mattress. Hold on. So these two? I need a new mattress.
Okay. These are the ones. And a new mattress is one of those like adult things that literally feels impossible. Like you're like, I guess I can never get it. I'm really good at adulting.
I get a lot of stuff done. I'm not a procrastinator, but something about a new mattress. I'm like, I guess I'll just never get a mattress. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. Okay. What do you like about this mattress? Well, I mean, tell me this mattress.
Okay. Okay. I still need to take you. I'm looking for my feet and nose down. Because it gets worse and worse is I'm in there, but I'm not had enough.
And there's a whole bunch of things too. And that's where the threeINA skazzings all going away. So I always say there's a lot of other things to be thought about the first and very, very short amount of different secret positions, because they're their backgrounds. cool spots a lot. I think it's very hot. And I don't like I don't like touching. Also, I have
said this many times for podcasts. I'm sorry. I'm saying I'm about to wear a CPAP machine. Oh, so, um, and because I have some family, yeah, we are so hot when we go to bed. I think I know your book is going to be a special match. No, I'm going to see. I don't know.
So hot. That's not like, I mean, it's true love actually. It's whoever can get past that is it's really true love. Yeah. But what's your writer? Do you have a writer? Yeah, I do.
Anything fun? No, it's so boring. Like I'm just, I really don't know. It means you're a normal person. Very boring to you. Like no, people that have weird writers feel. Honestly, it feels like it's
a stressful way to get people to run around for them. It is. Yeah. Because you know, my best friend, her job was writers for a while. And that's kind of when I was like, no, my writer is like normal.
It's like, what kind of stuff you don't know? I need an avocado. Perfect. I need lemons. Yeah.
I need just some like, like, La Croix. Yeah. And it's got gold. And then like, tune salad. Every show every, every, every, I always have to have tune salad and bananas. And I don't like any of
those things. But they are part of my routine. I have to have them. Okay. Well, the writer question brings me to, we do this thing on the show where we have people who know our guest, Zoom with me before I talk to our guest to speak well behind their back and also to give me a question. So we
talked to Mary and Morris today. Oh, I love Mary. I know I do too. And I mean, the high women, we're such an incredible, such a great example of you and all of those women, of course, but like women working together in real time to make really cool stuff. And everyone's saying, yes, right away.
And Brandy being the one that's like, let's do it. I'm going to make it happen here. The dates, let's go and then making this great record and performing with Dolly. Like it just feels like that whole experience was so awesome. Was it? It was, it was not uncomplicated, but it was awesome. And
just like something I am so proud we did. And actually, it's something I think we should do again. Yeah. Because it's like that combination of women was really interesting and wild. And I want, I want that back in a way. Well, as my girls are getting older, I just, they were so little
when I did it. And now, you know, that they are where they are, I just want to, I want them to watch us do Yeah, I think they'd really learn from it. And then our kids, you know, like we did that, Marin wouldn't have a child yet. And you know, it's like, now they're all so big, Mercy's big, and the Santa Jo's big, and my kids are getting big. And I just haven't a girl on the press as being a teenager. I think it would be really neat thing to show them. Well, that's exactly what
Marin's question was. She was basically saying like, you have two daughters, you're watching your girls get older, they're coming to your shows. Like, like, you know, her question was like, you know, any advice, you know, because you know, Marin's got a little boy and just, and what we were talking about was even extrapolating from that, just this idea of like a working mother, like how do we figure out how to invite our kids into the world and show them, you know, it's such a great, it's such a great thing to watch your mom do what she loves to do. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a deal.
And especially for young girls. So when they come and watch you, do they, what do you think about when they're around you when you're on tour? I know you brought them, of course, many times on tour. Like, what do you think about now with your daughters and what you want them to see? And what do they, do they like watching you perform? The girls like watching me
perform. They're both really into sports, which is mystifying to me because I never, you know, like they were like watching a world series and they were crying when the Mariners got defeated, and now they won't ever even go to Toronto because they're so mad at the Blue Jays. Like, I have no feelings about sports whatsoever, but I'll take them to a game and I'll watch them watch that. And I'm like, you know, the concerts don't really register in the same place. Well, it's just how do you, how do you, um, uh, rebel when your mom's rock star is when you become a jock. I hope this is about sign of things to come. But they, they seem more like, and this is
occurring to me as I'm saying it, they seem more excited by and interested in the way I interact with fans as a person, as a public person than actually how I do music. They're more interested in the fact that I'm a little bit famous than whether I'm a good or bad singer. And they're very interested right now in the way my music interfaces with politics. Oh, wow. And maybe that's why I'm so interested in, in, um, Mary's question and in, in, in being a part of like, uh, another chapter for the high women is I think they would really like it. Like their favorite,
very favorite song for my album is church and stay. They loved the SNL performance and they're very proud of, of that, even with their limited knowledge, you know, they know that there's a struggle and that our families are part of it. And they're very proud of that and more interested in that than they even seem to be the musical aspect. And they probably are just figuring that out that, oh, my mom's art, her job is speaking to that. I bet you they're just figuring that out for the first time. They are. They like it. Very cool. Yeah. And that's, they seem to be just energized about,
about those kinds of things. It does sort of translate to their behavior in sports and stuff. I took them to like a Seattle rain, a soccer game, and they were just took on a life of their own. You know, that song, You Without Me from my album, though, them in sports is You Without Me moment. I don't know who they are when they're screaming those things and they're like, be aggressive, be aggressive. I'm
like, no, don't be aggressive. But they're like, that's a chant, mom. Yeah. That's a chant, mom. They're like, we're, we're, it's good. That's so interesting, though, because I feel like you have a,
you have a, you're, you are, you know, positively competitive and you have a players attitude toward your work. I'm driven, but I'm not competitive. Like, it's crazy. No, it's actually annoying. I think interesting. And I think it puts me a little bit on the outs with my, some of my friends, even
like my relationship with Elton, he's constantly annoyed by my lack of it. But if I'm up for an award and somebody else beats me, I mean, I'm deflated for like three and a half seconds until they get up and do their speech. And then I'm like, fighting back tears from like feeling so happy for them. And I'll go see my own kid play soccer. And I'm just so, I'm so proud of all those little girls out there.
I don't even know how to root for my own kid because I'm so, you know what I mean. Yeah. But, but, but, you're saying you just have a healthy relationship to competition. Maybe because, well, awards are crazy. And of course, and, and you go there and it's like, if you actually, you know, what is winning, the winning is just being at the show. And same with, you know, watching, you're like, anyone who
like yells on the sideline is like total nut bag. Okay. So our last question is, and I asked all my guests this and I know you're a real comedy fan. You have like a real learning that. So you have, you probably have a refined taste and comedy is probably something that you seek out, pay attention to and care about. What are you listening to watching a video, a TV show, a movie, old, new, or like, what
makes you laugh? How are you like in these times? Where do you go when you want to feel that lift? Where do I go? I go to a few core movies, I go to a few core comedy movies without sounding too retro or old school. I mean, I love Tommy Boy. Oh my God. I love
Boy. I mean, Bridesmaids, everything tenacious D. I love sisters. I felt like that was a really important one for a lot of reasons. And in SNL, I like never miss SNL. I love SNL. And I've got my
favorite old episodes in my life. What's one of your favorite SNL sketches? What are my favorite SNL sketches? I love all my favorite snails. I love so many. One that I come back to a lot is the
Lysomonelli Turns on a Lamp. Kirsten Wig, a total genius. That's a really good one. Let's watch that first. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, hilarious physical comedy, not great for podcasts,
but okay. The title says, Lysomonelli tries to turn off a lamp. Oh, that's what it is. Yeah. I mean, Wig is freaking funny. I know. And okay, let's watch this. Tracey Morgan. Okay, so this is-
You're the guy. Babe. We've got- That's in the cut and goes out in 15 minutes. We got a scuba liser. Oh, sure. If it's a liser.
Just let me turn off. And he is dying. I love her. I love her. When she was on TV as a young kid, I was like, who is that? Liza, you're very talented.
Yes. You should stick with it. Liza, stick with it. Stick with it, Liza. You picked a right job. And Brandy, so did you. You picked out-
You're just the best singer. Congrats on your voice, on his record, on all the things that you're the best. You are the best. Oh my God. I love talking to you. You're the most interesting person.
I really feel like this is the beginning of a long friendship. Seriously. I know you have a lot of people live in your house. You have like a lot of people in your house. Yeah. One or two more.
You might not even notice. No. If you need a trim carpenter, you're afraid to work with wood. I can strengthen your resolve. I am. I feel like that's this time around. I'm probably not going to do
that. Yeah. But that's okay. God is fair. Yeah. Thank you so much for doing this. This is so fun.
I really loved it. Everything. I hoped it would be. Thank you so much, Brandy. You are incredible.
And it was so, so fun hanging with you. And yeah, you know, we talked about so many good things. One thing that we spoke about, which I just wanted to kind of correct or plunge deeper into in the polar plunge was the performance that her and Benicio Bryant did together for the incredible song, The Joke, which we all know is one of Brandy's best. And that was on Late Night with Seth Meyers. And Seth, I'm sorry that I forgot that. I love your work, Seth. I love what you do. I'm a big, big fan.
But I can't remember where things air anymore. And so it sounded like it would be something you would have done. Great, great idea. Whoever, I'm sure it wasn't your idea. Whoever on your staff said to do it, so smart. And I'm sorry that I might have attributed that performance to another
Late Night Show. You're the only Late Night Show I care about. So, Seth, congrats on that. And Brandy, beautiful work. And listeners, thank you again for tuning in. See you soon.
You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for the show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Burman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelane, Kaya McMullen, and Elia Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Burman.
Original music by Amy Miles.