Brian Caselli Jordan: Holding Love and Accountability in Our First Stories of Race

In this powerful episode, educator, musician, and longtime Lion’s Story trainer Brian Caselli Jordan takes us deep into one of his earliest memories of racial difference. What begins as a tender portrait of his Italian American grandfather expands into a layered exploration of inheritance, identity, silence, and the emotional weight of witnessing racism from someone you adore.Together with co-hosts Shamm Petros and Dwight Dunston, Brian traces how this childhood moment shaped his understanding of race, family loyalty, grief, anger, and repair. He reflects on the contradictions in his lineage—his grandfather’s generosity and creativity alongside the anti-Black racism he absorbed from his environment—and how becoming a father has opened new paths toward healing.Listeners are invited to slow down, breathe, and notice what arises as Brian moves through the emotions in real time. The episode models Lion’s Story’s racial literacy practices: naming feelings, locating them in the body, holding multiple truths, and moving toward transformation rather than avoidance.Key ThemesThe earliest memory of racial differenceIntergenerational inheritance: gifts and harms living side by sideSilence, complicity, and the longing for protectionHow racial stress imprints on the bodyGrief, anger, gratitude, and complexity as data for healingParenting as a site of repair and rewriting the storyCompelling Quotes“There’s no throwing out your beloved grandfather. And also I’m not comfortable excusing it away.”“We’re going to be healed this time.”“Telling the truth is how you honor someone you love.”About Our Guest: Brian Caselli Jordan is an educator, singer-songwriter, and facilitator who jokingly aspires to be “a 2025 Mr. Rogers.” For 17 years, he has taught young children, with over a decade in kindergarten and preschool classrooms. He holds a master’s degree in Early Childhood Education from Temple University.Brian co-founded City Love in 2014, leading music-driven school assemblies and workshops on race, equity, and belonging for tens of thousands of students and educators nationwide. Since 2012, he has taught first and second grade at The Philadelphia School, and he is a proud father.He has been a Lion’s Story trainer since 2019, helping individuals and institutions build racial literacy skills rooted in healing, accountability, and community. Stories That Stay is a project of Lion’s Story, a nonprofit dedicated to building racial literacy through storytelling, mindfulness, and healing. Rooted in over 35 years of research by Dr. Howard C. Stevenson at the University of Pennsylvania, our work guides individuals and institutions to reclaim their stories, reduce identity-based stress, and step into authentic inclusion—not as a checklist, but as a way of being.For a full video version of this podcast, visit our YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@StoriesThatStayPodcastProduced and edited by Peterson Toscano. Mindful moment music by Dwight Dunston. Music by Epidemic Sound.Podcast site: StoriesThatStay.net Hosts: Shamm Petros and Dwight Dunston