EPISODE · Mar 18, 2026 · 38 MIN
“Build Systems, Not Just Software”: A coaching conversation on growing without burning out with Joel Lonbeck | Ep. 8
from The Surthrivalist Podcast with Zach Wise · host surthrivalistpodcast
Wearing every hat in your business might work for a season—but it won’t get you to the next one. In this coaching conversation, Zach sits down with Joel Lonbeck, founder of a growing custom software company in Indonesia. Joel has built a strong, loyal development team, but like many founders, he’s caught between being the visionary, the technician, and the leader who wants to be present at home. Joel comes in asking a simple but weighty question: What should I focus on first? What follows is a practical, clarifying coaching session on leadership priorities, team development, and building systems that free you to lead without burning out. In this episode, Zach coaches Joel through: Why training your team can unlock more growth than chasing new clients How to move from being the “doer” to becoming a discipler of people Building a clear menu of services that aligns with your strengths and joy Using firm, loving leadership to shape culture without crushing morale Creating systems that protect both your business and your family life Resources: Revived Thoughts Podcast – Sermons from church history brought to life using modern narration and AI https://revivedthoughts.com The One Thing by Gary Keller Schedule a free 15-minute chat with Zach - https://calendly.com/surthrival/chat-with-zach Apply to be coached on The Surthrivalist Podcast - https://smallbizsurthrival.com/podcast Connect with The Surthrivalist: Website: https://smallbizsurthrival.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/smallbizsurthrival LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zjwise YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@smallbizsurthrival
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