Building Software That Survives • Michael Nygard & Charles Humble

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted.https://gotopia.techRead the full transcription of this interview here:https://gotopia.tech/articles/408Michael Nygard - Chief Architect at Nubank & Author of "Release It!"Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & ConsultantFULL TALK TITLEBuilding Software That Survives: Autonomy, Architecture & Alignment at ScaleRESOURCESMichaelhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/mtnygardhttps://twitter.com/mtnygardhttp://www.michaelnygard.comCharleshttps://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.socialhttps://linkedin.com/in/charleshumblehttps://mastodon.social/@charleshumblehttps://conissaunce.comDESCRIPTIONMichael Nygard, author of the influential "Release It!" and Chief Architect at Nuank, discusses his journey from programmer to technical leader.In this conversation, he shares insights from major transformation projects at Sabre and Nubank, exploring the nuances of centralization versus autonomy, the often-misunderstood implications of Conway's Law, and how architectural boundaries can reduce the need for constant organizational alignment.He emphasizes that effective technical leadership involves more than reorganizations - it requires understanding communication structures, celebrating the right behaviors, and creating systems that enable teams to operate independently within well-defined boundaries.RECOMMENDED BOOKSMichael Nygard • Release It! 2nd Edition • https://amzn.to/3WJeKV8Michael Nygard • Release It! 1st Edition • https://amzn.to/3XCkiRfRichard Monson-Haefel • 97 Things Every Software Architect Should Know • https://amzn.to/3JdRYU2Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers • https://www.conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcutPatterson, Grenny, McMillan & Switzler • Crucial Conversations • https://amzn.to/3LhGHTaYevgeniy Brikman • Fundamentals of DevOps and Software Delivery • https://amzn.to/3WMPMFUTod Golding • Building Multi-Tenant SaaS Architectures • https://amzn.to/3YfM49oJacqui Read • Communication Patterns • https://amzn.to/3E37lvvMatthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQJames Stanier • Become an Effective Software Engineering Manager • https://amzn.to/3vHrx1EBlueskyInstagramLinkedInFacebookCHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUSJoin this channel to get early access to videos & other perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/joinLooking for a unique learning experience?Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.techSUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!