Building the Future of Platforms with AI & Dev Tools, Part 2 of my Interview with Kenneth Auchenberg

In this episode, Ashok Sivanand sits down with Kenneth Auchenberg to explore the intricacies of creating exceptional developer experiences. Kenneth shares his extensive knowledge on designing and delivering tools that developers love, drawing from his work at industry giants like Microsoft and Stripe. They dive into the distinctions between infrastructure and platform companies, and the roles of developer experience (DevEx) versus developer relations (DevRel). Ashok and Kenneth also discuss the future of platforms, especially in the context of AI and generative AI, and how these technologies are transforming product development. Kenneth offers practical insights on using abstraction ladders to balance power and complexity in developer tools and emphasizes the importance of strong DevEx teams in driving product adoption and retention. Unlock the full potential of your product team with Integral's player coaches, experts in lean, human-centered design. Visit integral.io/convergence for a free Product Success Lab workshop to gain clarity and confidence in tackling any product design or engineering challenge. Inside the episode... • Kenneth Auchenberg's background and experience at Microsoft and Stripe • The importance of empathy in developer experiences • Differences between infrastructure and platform companies • Distinctions between developer experience (DevEx) and developer relations (DevRel) • Advanced techniques for creating delightful developer experiences • Using abstraction ladders to manage complexity in developer tools • The future of platforms with AI and generative AI • Practical examples of platform primitives and their applications • The role of DevEx teams in product adoption and retention Mentioned in the episode... Devin, the 1st AI software engineer Socket.dev: Analyze your security with LLMs Dosu.dev: an AI teammate that lives in your GitHub repo Product or Service that gave him Surprise/Delight: Leica Cameras Subscribe to the Convergence podcast wherever you get podcasts including video episodes to get updated on the other crucial conversations that we'll post on YouTube at youtube.com/@convergencefmpodcast Learn something? Give us a 5 star review and like the podcast on YouTube. It's how we grow.   Follow the Pod Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/convergence-podcast/ X: https://twitter.com/podconvergence Instagram: @podconvergence