Caged In 05: Birdy (1984)

Hello and welcome to episode five of the Cagedin podcast podcast where me or Hostpeche's pat stimulus will be watching every single Nicholas Cage fail with your guest bono! Nicholas Cage won't be the only act to do it's just season one or you got ideas season two but that's a long way off you guys so I'm not gonna get into that before yeah before we get into this week's episode which would be the 1984 film Birdie just got to do a little bit of housekeeping a little bit admin keep up to date guys with a podcast on the social media Facebook Twitter Instagram at cagedinpod can email me cagedinpod at gmail.com rate review and subscribe on iTunes that would be great at the moment not got enough reviews to have an average score not looking good it'd be amazing five star ratings a little review say what you think about the podcast that'd be amazing guys like I'm not trying to top any charts as you like to be featured that'd be pretty cool like but we'll get there one day maybe um other things one I like mention is the DVD amnesty at Nicholas Cage DVD amnesty guys so far I bought 43 Nicholas Cage films on DVD I've got a whole shelf dedicated to pasted a couple of 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that just to mix it up keep it fun keep it interesting probably keep the same lyrics I don't know maybe the more insane I go the more insane the theme songs may become may just become me wailing the lyrics to it or just like me crying free trying to get through the song that is the theme song to this podcast and before we get into it I want to give a massive shout out those movie guys podcast to yeah they seem to really be taking it like to do American guys just it's amazing for me to think that people on the other side of the world are listening to stupid idea I've got a little like it and they had some like that's a really nice words to say and like yeah check those guys out on iTunes and Stitcher I'm trying to get them on a cast a little bit of a selfish thinkers I've got an iPhone I know how I'm cool of me I don't have to do any apps like a cast like a cast got loads of really cool content I'm not sponsored by a car so I'm not getting on advert even though a car steal response me that would be great yes so let's roll on with the theme music and after that we'll get into the ridiculous nature of Nicholas Cage feels like I've been awake for days what you think I'm sorry Nicholas Cage could be shit or it could be fun Valleygale face off an army of one dead will corner Lord of War the Whicker Man trust passing so many more now how it starts I don't know how it ends the first tenor solo then it's me and some friends no distractors no expectations over the weeks here my frustrations against the podcast is about to begin I'm your host Petropassina person I'm caged in so guys let's get down to business let's roll on with this team I don't know little information about this film well I know it's called Birdie Bush is in 1984 starring Matthew Modine as the titular character and it's got a main man Nicholas Cage as the character owl the soundtrack was done by Peter Gabriel you know him he did this song and it's directed by Alan Parker at a little bit of a Wikipedia of Alan Parker it's gone a eclectic Ranger films in his backyard look Angela's ashes fame Bugsy Malone of Vita Pink Floyd's The Wall the commitments Midnight Express and Angel Heart Richard Angel Heart's pretty nuts sir this Robert De Niro plays character called Louie Sife I think you guys can figure out who he's actually meant to be so yeah those of you who don't know haven't listened before I'll follow a few rules and those rules are no distractions no expectations so what does that mean that means I'm not gonna look at my phone it's a really hot day it's a really nice day here and sunny old Britain and I'm sat in the dark to watch this film not just for me guys I'm doing this for you I'm doing this but your enjoyment yeah it's not really for my enjoyment like I'd much prefer to be out sinking a couple of killed ones but I said I was gonna do this I'm gonna do this all in the name of entertainment and science or some yeah something like that um where was I um yeah so no no distractions nothing nothing I turn my phone on airplay mode every time I watch a film I feel really bad my girlfriend is currently ill and I feel like she's gone out to sit in the park I feel slightly guilty I feel like she's doing that because of me because I said I wanted to record this podcast probably should be looking after I'm a fucking terrible person that's something I need to come to terms with my own time and not on your time that's for a totally different podcast and yeah no expectations so what I mean by that is if I've never seen the film I'm not gonna read up about it I'm not gonna look at anything like this film I know very little about all I know is this going to give it to farms up and you know that there's edited a little poster for the promo of this episode and I'll use it for the iTunes and a cast a little thumbnail and that's a quote on the poster and obviously I know that I'm actually Modine and Nicholas Kjor in it because I saw their faces on the poster and I'm parked the director there because it comes up when you google that it comes up right at the top I purposely didn't read any of the synopsis or anything like that I haven't looked any reviews obviously it's going to be but yep that is a review of some sort but I don't know I don't know what this film is about I don't know what's gonna happen I don't know what to expect and I enjoy that aspect of this because I don't know what to expect or my mental state or anything like that I don't know what to expect from Nicholas Kjor going through this whole ordeal so in that regards I'm yeah I like I like that I put that in place and another rule I have is the first 10 episodes of this podcast are solo so by that it's me it's just a little old me going through hell on my own and I often find it quite hard to just talk on my own it's quite unnatural imagine a lot you can probably relate to that but I don't know I feel like I'm getting better obviously if you feel like I'm doing otherwise tweet me Facebook me Instagram me occasionally pod and after that I'll be getting guests in I've had a chat with a few different people they're up for it chat to a few different of a podcast they're up for it I've done some blue sky thinking try to reach out to some people who I don't know who have some notoriety in what they do I got politely declined by one of them a certain soon fast becoming a podcast legend at screw this put really nice of him to email me back and say didn't have the time to do it hopefully if I politely pester him maybe in the future try and get him on don't hold your breath though guys last week did cinemas snacks this week I know in cinemas snacks because I'm holding out for dinner because that's kind of guy I am don't want to ruin it I might I don't know got some roses here on the table or a couple of dime bars or dame bars don't know what to call them but I was a kid they're called dime bars now the name change I've always called them dime I haven't really adjusted to the change maybe that says more about me than anything so yeah sorry guys no cinema snark I'm not that you probably care so I'm gonna watch the film now I'm gonna kick my feet back go turn my phone off and get raging with cage welcome back guys so I actually watch this film on Friday I'm recording this part now on Monday it's a Keaton podcast first I've let the film sink in a few days it's time constraints didn't really have time to record it but I thought it was a good thing I left it a few days because it's a bit of a bit of an odd one it's a post Vietnam set drama I don't it's thematically all over the place and we'll get into a lot of that as the podcast goes on it kind of has two timelines so you don't have this preview Vietnam and a post Vietnam timeline and it kind of cuts back and forth I let you guys know when that's gonna happen in as I do a rundown of the film we'll do the rundown and then we'll talk more in detail about cages performance and get some little quotes in there from the film get some clips yeah we'll see how we got a lot of fun stuff to talk about in this one so the film might start itself into the hospital we see Matthew Modine who's playing the teacher character Birdie just sat in yeah sat in his room and then it cuts to someone being wheeled down a hallway on a journey like a hospital bed and turns out to be our main man Nicholas Cage he's beating up kind of has this gets bandaged up and looks like the Phantom of the Opera looks pretty creepy and then um yeah we seem on a train going somewhere we don't really know where he's a has some creepy interaction with a little kid and then it kind of cuts back so yeah this is the first time we get a look preview at Narm and we have Cage playing baseball with looks like an eight-year-old and he looks about 30 at this point so yeah I'm not sure about the car like how old he's supposed to be you don't really get to know a lot and stuff like that like the aged characters so there's another weird yes kind of a running 80s theme you don't really know how old anyone is let me see the first of many scenes of Nicholas Cage to get up the first time it happens is under bleachers real standard fair and like high school movies and stuff like that it's just proper hitting it on the now and his brother comes up to him and says that some stolen his knife that turns out to be birdie to have a bit of a scuffle over the knife turns out that the knife wasn't stolen by birdie but he bought it off someone who had stolen it and this is where we get the inception of their relationship as friends birdie carries around a pigeon in a cage and Cage asked him about it and he said he's got to turn into Kerry and pigeons so he says to him hey how about help you out and we'll start we'll start catching pigeons together then we get this montage kind of like it's a kind of a romantic montage of them to hanging out hunting down pigeons like looks like it's point gonna kiss like I don't know it's kind of looks bromance and it's topped off at the end with a scene where birdie shows Cage character named Al shows him a suit he's been making that looks like a pigeon and I couldn't help but laugh when I saw this because it went like a shit superhero costume the two of them then take like take the suits wear them and try and catch pigeons at a construction site things go south when birdie like falls off of the top of the construction site is hanging off the edge and Cage losing his shit he's yeah he's worried the birdie is gonna fall this is the first time that you see birdie is not hinged he's unhinged guys he decides to just jump off of the construction site and lands on a sand mound again Cage losing his shit runs down after him kind of hugs him it looks quite a tender moment again I thought they were gonna kiss like I wasn't sure at this point of kind of that was gonna be the that was gonna be one of the reveals in the film turns out the reveal is a lot weirder then the next scene we get is back in the hospital post-vietnam birdies in his cell Cage turns up so this is where he was going on the train journey he speaks to the doctor it's kind of introduced kind of he's there to find out birdie is compliment us really if he understands what is going on because after the war he just went rogue disappeared for like a month and then when he's come back he's just sat in his room kind of scrunched up holding his knees not saying anything not doing anything almost bird-like and then it cuts back with back pre-vietnam and birdie is in hospital but this time after the aftermath of when he fell off the construction site and then we see birdie and owl having a chat and we find out that all the pigeons they had collected had been destroyed and killed by birdies mum because she was concerned about what he's doing obviously she can see that he's unhinged we can see that he's unhinged Cage is loving it he's just he's still hanging out he finds it hilarious we see a scene as well of Cage reading out laughing about birdie jumping off of the construction site then we just get more stuff of their friendship developing they go to a junkyard and buy a car that they intend to fix up which they do and there's a conversation about the beach and birdie says I've never seen the sea the scene is them sat in the car pretending to drive and then he's like oh where would you go so I'll go to the beach and then birdie reveals yeah I've never seen I've never been to the beach so they go Cage's idea is he wants to go there check out the fine honeys in swimsuits birdie has totally different ideas and then we cut to birdie holding his breath under yeah as long as he can Cage getting pissed off he wants to be checking out the girls it's getting late he wants to go to the fun fair cut to the fun fair Cage is riding the rollercoaster girl on each arm like a true pollo and birdie is stood in the carriage behind them with his arms in the air like he's trying to fly again unhinged guys now we get Cage purve watch episode two here he is turning up and well he's shagging a girl underneath the pier whilst birdie has possibly the most awkward conversation I've ever seen with a girl it kind of portrays the fact that he has no real interest or doesn't really know how to speak to women the girl gets weirded out pulls her friend off of Cage and says we're out of here I'm done with this creep hey Jane happy he ain't busted a nut so he ain't happy and then we get a speech which from my notes I've just entitled tits speech which I think may be included in the Cage quotes this week so we're going to a lot more detail about that scene later on in the podcast after the speech they're approached by a police officer who asked them about the car they say yes there's they're fucking arrested they're bailed up prison by cages dad in the film Cage gives get little to which Cage's dad gives them smack in the face right he's so the kids not old enough to drive these technically stolen a car that's in his dad's name but it kind of gives you an insight into the relationship that he has of his dad he's scared of his dad he won't stand up to his dad at all yeah and then we're flash forward to post Vietnam in the hospital cages inside of birdie cell trying to talk to him and says to him that you are finally a bird and that's like a really quick scene a lot of these scenes that set like posting on a quite quick and you don't really get like kind of it's kind of setting up things that coming and obviously showing you yeah giving that real juxtaposition how they are before the war and how they are afterwards next we have a scene of birdie going to what looks like an old folks home but turns out to be where he buys a yellow canary and then talks to you out about what happened to the car and finds out that his dad had sold the car so he goes around there and confronts him real out of character from what you know birdie so far he's kind of awkward and doesn't really know how to hold himself but this is a real 360 no because that's exactly the same it's a 180 in how he's been perceived so far he's yelling at his dad he's saying if you if you can't get the car back you tell him he's sold it to and I'll go around there I can't quite remember if it's a voice over or it's said in the film but Kade's character kind of is really surprised and he's like I could have never stood up to my dad like that he kind of really respects birdie for doing so it then cuts back to cage inside of birdie's cell and the door is locked and he loses his shit literally loses his shit that he can't get out what happens they just let him out yeah he's flying off the hand on the front and centering this and next we see him having a nightmare about the war kind of getting insight into what might have happened to him and he then gets he then has an interview again with the head doctor at the Institute where it seems like he's under question about his mental stability what he's questioned about a fight he had in Saigon and it has problems with authority figures and stuff of that nature yeah and then he's back to the next day to meet birdie again tries to keep trying to get him out of his funk like the guy is going apeshit like he's just kind of sitting about his cell like you see seen of him like naked hunched up on top of the bed frame looking weird as shit and then another flashback yeah he's flashing back for this time to be birdie talking about birds at school kind of has this cool model that he's made that is flying about the room as he's speaking to everyone and we see a female classmate kind of interested thinking like I don't know what she's thinking she'd like but I'll says to him I think that girl's interested in you like maybe you should make a move but you can definitely see that birdie he's just not interested like he's got other things on his mind he is literally obsessed with birds and birdie then goes and talks to dad who happens to be the janitor of the school he goes to very convenient about getting a male canary because the canary he'd got four was female and he would like to breed them I thought at some points in this film he might want to breed with them I've got a note here from a moment earlier in the film when he goes to buy the first canary does he want to fuck birds I think he does but that might be my weird reading of the film I don't know there's some stuff coming up that may lead us to believe that is the case so yeah he gets his male canary and his obsession with birds continues him and Al have a workout I was kind of doing your classic pumping iron birdie on the other hand is laying like on his stomach on a bench pretending to fly he's flapping his arms like their wings and we see this is all leading up to a flying device he's made like winged device he's made that they're attached to the back of a bike at the junkyard and yeah cage rides his bike as far as you can with birdie on the back birdie comes off flies he does fly on this device I didn't fucking believe it I don't think that would happen but he does but he lands straight in a junkyard puddle it's fucking gross now we're back in the hospital and cage thinks that birdie smiles this is like the whole point he's there he's trying to convince the doctors that birdie is saying and the doctor just doesn't believe him he thinks no it's not reaction a smile is not reaction it could be could be anything it could just it's not a reaction to a joke and then cage convinces the doctor that one of the things that might get out of it is the birdie feels guilty about his mum taking with baseballs that the kids used to hit into their backyard when they were kids and then he goes around the hospital and sees all the patients these people missing limbs all that type stuff and you see regretting his eyes that he regrets the war like he shouldn't have been there this kind of a theme that I gathered from the film is I get into the theme after after I've done a rundown of the film then we get another scene like a preview of like one of the weird moments of the film of them helping a dog catcher like some big fat guy like cartoon looking he's got a massive net trying to catch dogs the catcher load of them and then they're driving down the road and some guys shouting at them saying yo yo you got my dog in the back of your car what you doing and they eventually arrived at some weird like abattoir there's like dead horses and looks like skin dogs and stuff like that and they they ain't into it I went into a watch it as I want that fuckers this yeah and they let the dogs go free good on them good on them down they skin dogs barbaric shit then we see a cat sneaks into a birdie's house and shoots like gets gets one of his canaries in his mouth and think it's dead a birdie like is it mouth to mouth which is pretty weird but the bird lives next look at my notes is cage loses his shit this happens a lot there's a video on YouTube it's just called cage loses shit so it's not like the guy but he runs off out of the cell and the nurse follows him they have a weird moment where he tries to kiss her and goes straight for her tits again it's the third time the film was saying cage hitting someone up like something wrong with a guy leave him alone and we get to possibly one of the weirdest moments in the film I got rid of my notes here does birdie want to fuck birds he has this dream about birds and pretty sure comes his pants he has a wet dream over birds it's fucking weird he wakes up in the morning and the birds are having chicks they're the hatch yes it's strange it's real fucking strange birdies forced to go to the prom good his parents are like you need to do something normal he looks awkward as shit at the prom doesn't interested in his date at all funnily enough the band playing rockin robin and after the prom it's probably one of those awkward moments of sin birdie sat in a car with his date and she says she's been really nice to me I know you pretty didn't want to but you can have your way with me and then he I want to take tits her up because all he does is literally it's like he's weighing her boobs he just literally wobbles them about in his hands for a moment or so and then they go like it's another moment where he's just not into he's just not into that stuff he's more into this type of thing he goes home gets naked in his bird keep kisses one of the birds falls asleep and has a dream which I guess is him thinking he's flying the camera is zooming about like the neighborhood and stuff like that just looks like a guy running with a camera up until the point where it kind of saws up into the sky like a crane shot yeah it's it's fucking weird then we get like a we get to see like a flashback of cage and gnarme we see actually what happened to his face and yes it's fucking brutal man it's real brutal like like as I said earlier there's film is dramatically all over the place you have this kind of light-hearted coming of age stuff with them like looking for pigeons and obviously it's a moment with the dog catcher then building a car and stuff like that then you have moments like this obviously it's always reminiscent of something like a full metal jacket or platoon something a bit more hard-hitting than what we see in these flashbacks obviously it's probably an intentional thing by the director to just see the juxtaposition of boys going to war cage has a moment inside the hospital where he's kind of starts cracking up and starts thinking that he might get locked up as well he might be insane the next moment is a few things cut together and quite quick succession of previewing arm with Kate the next morning cage caught finds birdie naked in his cell they have a chat with birdie believes that he flew in his dreams and cage had enough he's like you need to quit or this shit you need to quit all this bird stuff and with that you have stuff in the hospital where cages told that that's it he's had enough chances he the baseballs arrive and it just doesn't bring anything back out of him it's just not gonna work and also cut with that is a scene of birdie seeing cage walk off the war and one of his canaries follows him and then flies back and smashes through the window and birdie is distraught we then see a scene that he hadn't seen before of birdie in Vietnam himself and what actually happened to him and he was in a helicopter crash and he just screams for ages then we come to like the finale of the film really where I'm birdie actually talks for the first time but won't do it in front of anyone else apart from cage and he tries to show the doctor and he just won't do it and obviously the doctor won't believe cage he thinks he's he's gone insane as well and he has a breakdown he holds birdie says he's not gonna leave he's come to terms with the idea that the war has changed him and he can't face it outside world of what's happened to his face obviously the war has changed them both which I feel is a part of what this one was trying to talk about but the ending the ending of it really really left me confused so I kind of left it a few days because this one compared to the other is a real pretty straightforward this one's a real mind-fire like I'd recommend watching it just out of the idea of just say what it's about say what you see what you guys if you watch this like please get in touch with me on Facebook Twitter or Instagram or email me because I'd really like to hear what you guys have to say about it but yeah when it comes to the ending all of a sudden it's like an action film cages rumbling with the guards there he's like fighting people off him and birdie try and make a rump her it make way to the roof birdie looks like he's gonna jump off you think so really sad you think he's killed himself he hasn't he's just jumped off of a bigger roof onto a smaller roof cage runs up and says old birdie or something like that to which very close what and I just it's just such a lighthearted and then for something which like has been an emotional rollercoaster to some degree it's it has said it's thematically all over the place like I spoke to people about this film they said yeah I really I really like it's really good I didn't I can't come to grip with it I can find out what the film is trying to tell me like I thought about it and thought maybe like the idea of it was that you can't send boys to war or the war will change people but birdie already had that in him he looked mentally unhinged obviously that might be another angle in which is try to say that the testing for people they didn't really like conscribing people to the army or ever just doesn't work this not there wasn't the things in place to make sure that mentally unwell people weren't sent to war obviously we see a lot of the stuff in regards to what war does to people in the way that it's left both birdie and cage jaded in that they don't want to face the real world anymore so yeah guys this one's been a tough one like I said this is probably the first time so far it's had me doubting this whole thing like I'm feeling like shit we're five then we've got however many to go like I'm just hoping it's gonna get better let's get on to a little feature I like to call cage quotes for those of you who don't know cage quotes is just quotes from the film that stood out to me is either funny or fucking mental so let's go with the first one this is a scene I mentioned in the rundown of the film which is what I'm gonna call the tea speech let's roll it no you're taking great shoes on her that's why I understand I was the big deal we're just over going manry glance manry glance manry glance no we're talking here big tits round kiss listen to me we're not the camera don't know what you're missing that goes really I didn't even have to ask her she just lifted her shirt from my hand and she doesn't grow up me I start feeling the whole tip nibbling on out just poking the tongue down now then you should down my hand after my way down she's working at your fifty three four back this moment had me in absolute pieces it's just the delivery like his whole idea of obviously this is where he thinks women want and like we're giving real insight into his character yeah let's move on to the second clip which is real good piece of acting from Kate this is a moment where he loses his shit I'm gonna get you to talk to me even if I have to punch you out I'm not kidding around but I can't hold myself anymore I almost told about the flying yesterday God damn it what can you listen to me? I'm gonna fly to electric flights with some drag kicks and full-time night out so the flying stuff I do we're gonna have to be in coaches come the whole fucking deal give me a moment to get your own pitches to and watch the city to a central Atlantic city you can double go and see the fish all right birdie it's time to start flapping and wing some peeping I don't believe it you know if you really want to spend the rest of your lives at Berlin at least they consist and look at you you don't hop like a bird you don't really sit like one and you sure so can't fly like one you don't like what I'm saying but why don't you just tell me to shut up you always were on a hurt birdie real losers never hurt oh here you go here comes Hannah feeds you you like that don't you I'm gonna watch you feed him it's fun watching him be fed he's cute when he's bad you stop talking him look he's reacting to me he's giving me that pissed off look you're pissed are you you stop it you know this isn't funny this man and final one isn't so much funny or like profound it's just the moment when cage loses his face when he gets blown up it's a real dramatic like full metal jacket style scene of like shit blowing up and you just get to hear him let's get to hear him scream basically so that's it guys that's it for cage quotes that's it for this episode of Cagedy and Podcast I've been your host Petrus Patzilos just want to say a quick thing obviously as always send these podcasts like subscribe and rate on iTunes that'd be great if you don't subscribe to iTunes in any way you don't you don't like Apple products you always listen on ACAST or Stitcher or on SoundClouds if yeah you want to do it like that but yeah share with a friend like if you think someone would be into this let them know obviously get in touch like I'd really like to hear from some of you guys like anything you've noticed in these films that I might not have noticed or whether you think the podcast is good or not like I'm open for constructive criticism like I must admit like I find it hard sometimes speaking in a room on my own I think I mentioned it in the last podcast I'm really looking forward to episode 11 when I get to start having guests that's gonna be really fun so again yeah the Facebook Twitter and Instagram are all at CagedinPod and the email is cagedinpod at gmail.com any of your Nicholas K.D.V.D's obviously there's amnesty get in touch and let me know if you'd like to donate any I'm really looking forward to episodes I've got coming up next week is The Boy in Blue again this is another one I have no idea what it's about all I know is it's got a main man Nicholas K.J. so guys I just want to say thanks for listening I've been your host Petrus Patzilos I've been Cagedin you've been rad catch you later everything already feels like a fly