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That Sounds Like A Lot, coming May 1st, part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Hi everyone, this is Pivot from the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. And I'm Scott Galloway.
Happy New Year, Kara. Thank you. You sound so mellow. Where are you?
Did you have a good New Year? Where are you located at this point? I'm in San Francisco. I'm in Montana, the great state of Montana, where I am here for the first time ever.
And what are you doing? What are you doing there? I'm skiing or I'm mostly not skiing. We're trying to put the boys on skis this year.
And it's a, you know, it's wonderful. I'm not a big cold weather person, but it's very majestic and it's a nice, a nice new year. And it's a great state and, you know, a place I haven't been. So yeah, wonderful New Year.
How about you? Well, I'm in San Francisco, moving children around the city, doing things. I'm exhausted actually. But it's beautiful here.
San Francisco actually looks great and it's cleaner than it's been. And it's beautiful. And the weather is gorgeous. But are you like, do you know how the internet moguls go to Montana?
Are you aware of that? Like you are in the ground zero of internet moguls, essentially. Yeah, so I knee deep in them. Somehow I got into the Yellowstone club.
So I'm where the 99.9 percentile take refuge from the 99.98. It is, it is unusual here. How did you get into Yellowstone Club? Because they feel sorry for me.
I'm like kind of the charity act here that it's same as Ken and like Stash up every once in a while. They're like, invite a professor. So I'm kind of, I'm kind of an interloper here. Well, you know, actually all the internet people I've been hearing from, they're all in New Zealand right now.
I'm waiting for it. End of days. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, what is it?
The Armageddon vacation, but I keep getting pictures of people sort of at the Hobbit hole. You know, they go to all this stuff, but a lot of internet people are in New Zealand, which is, I guess it's warmer and it's not Hawaii. They move on to other things. The Yellowstone club has some financial problems, I think I recall.
But now it's back and bigger than ever, allegedly, apparently and stuff like that. But it's where all the fancies are very nice, Scott. It's so nice that you have little life that way when I sit here and work my way through the holidays. Anyway, speaking of making money off the holidays, which companies you think profited most from the holiday season?
Was it Amazon, Apple? Who do you think? Yeah, I think right out of the gate, just because of its industry and people look so closely at it. Amazon reported again, record numbers.
I would say that through the holiday season in terms of momentum, though, Apple finishing the year is the best performing of the FAANG stocks. I mean, it really was Apple's year. Apple was, I think, the second best performing stock behind, you know, some weird stuff like Netflix. I mean, that was for decades.
And it was the quarter for it was the quarter for Apple, but it was a holiday again just because of its core business or Amazon, which shows no or continues to show no signs of letting up. We saw e-commerce growth jump something like 19%, which is just insane when you think about the fact that this is no longer a small business. So this is e-commerce continues to it's like what it's finally realizing its potential. You know, we were so excited about it in the early 2000s and now it seems to finally be growing into its own shoes.
And then brick and mortar is, again, suffering. What's interesting, I read an idea on the Robin Hood app for year-end predictions or year-end what they wanted for 2020. Someone suggested that a large franchise, a Chipotle. I actually think Chick-fil-A would be an interesting brand for this, would go all delivery, would just shut all their locations down and go all delivery.
And that's an interesting idea, maybe for a market where they don't have any locations. But QSR is about to feel the impact of disruption on technology. Anyways, Apple and Amazon. What would you say were the big winners?
Probably, you know, I'm fascinated by Apple is I mean, I bought my kids a pair of AirPods, which is promptly misplaced now for, you know, just a few days after the holidays. But I'm not sure. I mean, we have Apple Music. I'm trying to think, you know, we went and got our new iPhone 11.
So both of those are in that exchange program. So, I mean, we have a real tight relationship with my kids with Apple and, you know, as a brand. And we were in the store several times and we didn't buy that much stuff there, but we bought enough. But we're part of like their ecosystem, essentially.
Amazon, I didn't actually, I made a point to go to regular retailers this year to buy things. I did not buy a lot off of Amazon. I use Amazon all year round for like convenience, I think, versus gifts. And so I didn't do a whole lot and there were not quite as many boxes as in fact there were none.
I didn't do any shopping off of Amazon because I made it a point to go around to local businesses. But I can tell you on the streetscape here, like businesses, just one, several stores in my neighborhood just closed down that have been here since I moved here, which are, which, you know, they're all one was a, one was a, just a regular. They made sold t-shirts and nice clothes and stuff like that. And, and they don't let brands in this particular neighborhood in San Francisco.
So it was really, it's really like there were several different businesses that were here that are not including restaurants. And so it's kind of a, it's kind of a shock to see that happening sort of in real time on streets of cities. Yeah. And it's, it's funny we were saying about Apple.
One of the things I noticed Christmas morning after was first I need to start drinking earlier, but two, my kids, both, you know, it's the orgy of consumerism and, you know, ripping shit open. And then the thing they both ended up on a nine and 12 year old boy were an iPad and the new iPhone respectively. Apple really has become any, any kind of upper middle-class affluent family. I think the morning is sort of won by Apple in terms of.
It's not true, but your kids aren't old enough. It's one by sneakers and StockX. Have you heard of StockX? Owned by Dan Gilbert, who we hope gets better.
Yep. That's my kid is obsessed with that and sneakers. He's a sneaker head. And so to me, that was interesting.
The use of those things. And he's quite, you know, he knows all about sneakers and, and it's mostly through online relationships with people who love sneakers and things like that. So I think it was more sneakers. And I believe the most, the most on StockX is amazing, right?
StockX is tapping into that resale market. It does real time tracking of prices. If you go into StockX, your son goes on to StockX. So innovative about it is you can type in any shoe and it gives you pricing trends and patterns, which gives you the confidence to buy.
It really is a fantastic platform from a UI standpoint. The other really wonderful thing about StockX is I believe it's one of the only unicorns, uh, uh, true tech unicorns in Detroit in the great city of Detroit as they make their comeback. So stock, there's a lot to like about StockX. Yeah.
So it's interesting. I'm thinking of actually having them to code because I was fascinated by how he uses it. And so many of the other kids, friends and stuff like that. And it's a really, it is, it's sort of like the real deal for teenage, I guess, not just boys, boys and girls.
And one of the things that's interesting, he was starting to buy sneakers for the baby, which was just disgusting with sneakers she would be wearing over the next 10 years of her life. And I was like, Oh my God, I gotta get another job. This, this show might better get a TV show or something. Anyway, let's get to the big, uh, the big stories, um, of the week.
There's a ton in California where I am. A handful of progressive California laws went into effect this week. Um, we're going to talk about them because there are two very big laws that they're essentially the de facto law of the land. Um, at this point, the California consumer privacy act, which I wrote about last week in the New York times or two weeks ago, went into effect on January Subject to lawsuits.
I think that's where this needs to head. It's not consumers want their privacy violated as long as there's utility or a coupon at the end of it. What they don't want is to find out that their data was used to help target and suppress voters after the fact. They don't so it's it's not even the collection process.
It's how these guys are using it. And then there's an interesting question around and this guy named, I think his name is Benedict Evans, he's a partner at Andrew Zorowitz and he disagrees with me all the time on Twitter and I hate him for it because when he disagrees with me, he's almost always right. But he had an interesting point and he said that if you're going to go after these people, at which kind of meta level do you go after them? Is it the technology?
Is it the app that sits on the top of the technology? Is it the company that's coordinated and organized and distilled the data? Is it the firm that has purchased the data? I mean, there's so many players along the road.
What is kind of the legal liability or the fault? Where does it where does it lie? But again, if you if you look at this thing, Facebook probably gets off scot-free. Most of this legislation goes after the smaller guys.
So what does it have? The question is what has to pass? Like what has to specifically pass to affect the biggest violator, which would be Facebook. And I think that's something that Congress has to think about.
And I don't think I'm not sure they have the sat to do it, you know. And Chuck Schumer has been a friend of Facebook. I think it's, you know, rather Facebook positive, although Nancy Pelosi has not been. So it should be it would be it depends on what happens, obviously.
It would be interesting is if Trump inserts himself here the way he did in the emissions issues in with with cars in California where there's lawsuits, you know, flying right now over those issues because California is stronger emissions and some car makers have backed California. Others have not have gone with the Trump administration. So it'd be interesting to see if they insert them here. And including an AB5, which which is this protections for it was it was a new law that was it was fixing, you know, freelance work essentially and give them workplace legal protections, but it's also affected freelancers.
Obviously, Vox has been impacted and others had to lay off some people because of the amount of time you can hire people before they move into employee status. And again, it's it's important to do this to be able to start talking about this idea of gig economy workers and what and the protections they deserve. But it definitely the paperwork is going to be enormous. Small businesses are going to be more affected and it'll cause more problems.
I just think we have to radically rethink how we think of work going forward because everybody's a gig worker at some point or it's not going to be the same kind of system that we've had in the past. Yeah, it's it's a it brings It brings up a host of issues in 2009, the NASDAQ was at 2,000 and federal minimum wage was at $7.25 and here we sit in 2020, the NASDAQ has reached 9,000 and federal minimum wage is still $7.25. As an economy, if you think of us as a giant company and you think of the president and Congress as the CEO and executive management team, they have these stakeholders. One, loosely speaking, is shareholders.
One is capital or property owners. Another is companies and another is workers. And we have decided collectively through the people that we elect to put workers so far behind in the back of the line in terms of their rights. And I'm not talking about information age workers, but just as people talk about there are two Americas, there are two Ubers.
The 20,000 employees who split the value of Ford at Uber who have educations and went to MIT or so crazy brilliant, they started coding Python in the 11th grade and got sucked up into the ecosystem as young people without college. Those people have never had it better, but the 5 million driver partners, the other side of Uber, have never had it worse. The supply and demand dynamic that we would like to think creates or works in capitalism ends up in a society where a third of children are living in households that are food insecure. And remember that software that the media was outraged over a few years ago that automatically clocked out workers at fast food restaurants that, OK, there's not enough people in the restaurant.
We're automatically clocking you out so you're no longer making $7.25 an hour. Go have a smoke break outside, but we're not paying you for the next 17 minutes. And there was outrage over that. Well, imagine that times two billion because effectively, everyone now has that software in the form of a phone.
And when you think about where where Uber and DoorDash and the entire, the entire food delivery system is, is that the massive dynamics or underpinnings of shareholder value and big tech have been one innovation. Their products are just superior. More power to them. They deserve everything they get.
Then two, it moves to obfuscation. OK, our incredible products gave us monopoly power, so we're going to avoid any sort of regulation. We're going to avoid any sort of antitrust. And then the really sad part is it then moves to exploitation.
And that is, I would argue, Uber doesn't really have that sophisticated a technology. DoorDash, Postmates, Uber Eats, in my view, have essentially their primary means of value creation is the exploitation of workers at the hands of this automatic clocking in and clocking out software of the phone and of the lack of regulation that says, right, if you're an independent contractor, we don't have to offer you bathroom breaks. We don't have to ensure you're making $7.25 an hour. And a lot of them aren't.
But long-winded way is coming around again to acknowledge your point. And that is, there should be probably a middle ground between independent contractors who have no protection and then employee status where the company is forced to provide benefits and immediately raise the cost of that employee by 30 percent. The problem with this law is that it differentiates between workers. I mean, there's a bunch of carve-outs for white collar workers like doctors.
But then low-paying workers like construction, janitorial services, they get legal protections, but then they let in marketers and grant writers but not journalists. So if you're a freelance, which is, you know, there's so many journalists that do freelance work. Again, as I said, Vox Media, full disclosure, had to cut more than 200 California freelancers. There's transcription services.
There's all kinds of people who do that kind of work. And so being an independent contractor is a good thing for a lot of people because they like it, but then they can't work. And so, or they work only a short amount of time and then can't make their living, essentially. And so the sophistication of these laws as you start to get into it gets rather deep.
And of course, it calls for the idea that we should have a national health care initiative. You know, this idea that everybody should, health care is really at the center of this and along with other benefits, but having health care benefits is critically important. And the fact that we don't across this country is just continues to be, you know, we have Obamacare, but it's under attack, is the problem. My nephew lives in Australia and he was, and my other one lived in Japan for a long time.
We were talking at Christmas and they were like, we couldn't believe how much Advil cost here. We can't believe how much, you know what I mean? Like they're sort of like, God, it's like, you're all on your own here compared to the kind of quality here they're getting in the countries they live in, which is really, you know, there's, it was an interesting discussion, but then they've come to expect. And I think the problem is our people in this country have not come to expect this kind of ability to have these things.
And so I think I like the California's past these things. We gotta, we gotta move on, but that we'll see where they go and they're going to be attacked in court by all these companies going forward, both laws. And so the question is, where does it end up on a federal level? And then eventually the Supreme Court, I'm guessing, like, I think this is the kind of thing, these kind of changes between employment law and privacy are going to have to end up finally being determined at a very high federal level where we all can agree on things.
And I don't think it's going to, neither of these laws are going to, this is the beginning of them. And I'm glad California's done this, however, however problematic they have created problems, at least we're discussing those problems. Yeah, I think it's important. DoorDash has already devoted or allocated tens of millions of dollars to propose legislation or a ballot initiative that directly counteracts it.
Right. Well, ballot initiatives in California, those who don't live here, they do ballot initiatives on a wide range of things. And it's sometimes people aren't really paying attention. Like the other, like I was joking, like we pick the paper paperclips that the San Francisco uses.
Like it's a crazy way to legislate. I think most people in California don't like it, although it was meant at the beginning to be given power to people and now it becomes like a circus when you're going to vote. But anyway, we'll see where it goes. I think we're on.
I think we're on deck this year, maybe to have privacy legislation in Congress if we can get through this horrible, well, now I don't think we're going to get through anything until November until it's very clear who's president and who's running the Senate and who's That's the point. You have to. It's sort of like Twitter and Trump right now. It's like, that's enough.
We're done with. And that's, that's what I ended the piece on. Like, whatever you think in 10 years, we do not have to listen to Trump on Twitter, probably, you know what I mean? Like, probably that'll be gone.
So that's what I was trying to put in people's brains is that the internet screaming at you is going to be over at some point and give people a little hope. That was, that was my, what I was trying to do. I like that. And I didn't realize predictions were what we want the world to make about what we want to happen.
So my big prediction then for the future is that me, AOC, and Andrew Ross Sorkin, ARS, steal one of those stupid fucking rockets that those little dick billionaires are building. We take off. We hit the substrata. They look at me because I'm older and I have that face you distrust.
And I say, let's rock. Let's light this candle. Let's head into the sun. We fly together, me, AOC, and Andrew Ross Sorkin into the center of the fucking sun.
Our DNA fuses and do we die? No, we create new antimatter and we emerge. We emerge as a vehicle, as the spiritual animal, the singularity that I warned that I do. I emerge from the sun fused with AOC and Andrew Ross Sorkin, a golden god.
And I realize my destiny. End of episode of Star Trek, in case you're interested. And that's never going to happen. That's not going to happen.
I'm sorry, Scott. You're going to burn on, like, getting even slightly close to it. And then you'll all be dead. And by the way, AOC and Andrew Ross Sorkin would never get a rocket with you.
But that's, that's another issue. That's my posse. That's my posse. Did you see all these stories?
They're all these, like, she's preparing for presidency. Who just got dropped out? Julian Castro is no mas in the race. He dropped out.
So AOC could fill the role. Let's use that as a segue. I'm going to start with a fail. And it kind of goes to why we need AOC or more people of color in the race.
I think the Democratic Party has really failed us. And as we all try to get really excited about these candidates, I would describe the candidates thus far collectively as meh. I don't think the Democra, I think the Democratic Committee has pivoted, or the Democratic National Committee has pivoted too far to the other side where we let these total whack jobs who should not be taking any oxygen during an incredibly important process on the debate stage. I think that they should have had debates where they said, OK, we believe, we believe that just similar to being a heart surgeon or a VCR repair person, that there is a skill set and domain expertise and a certain level of respect to people who have actually governed.
And our experiment around business people or people who have no experience in government has been a disaster. And I would have liked to have seen debates with fewer people such that, as I told you, I'm in the great state of Montana. I don't know a lot about Steve Bullock, the governor here, but I would have liked to have learned more and had him had a Democratic governor in a red state get more oxygen. And he just couldn't even get out of the box.
What is that up to? I mean, it's a reaction to what happened with Hillary Clinton, which is the DNC shut shut everybody down. There's an overcorrection, so to speak. But I think they screwed up.
I think the DNC has an obligation. I think government matters. And I think actually a lot of politicians do a very good job. It's really interesting.
I talked about this time last year, I had a tweet saying we might be we might be inaugurating or welcoming Andrew Ng as secretary of commerce and Tom Steyer as secretary of energy. It's really interesting. The Yang gang is about as passionate as any group online with the exception of maybe Tesla and occasionally fanboys from Apple in terms of pushback. They were angry that I suggested he might only be secretary of commerce.
But let me just inspire a million tweets. I think Andrew, you know, Andrew Yang is a fascinating guy with fascinating ideas, a successful business person. I think he's a good person. I think he has absolutely no fucking reason to be president.
I think that would be a disaster. I do think it's important that the guy or gal shows up with some people who they actually have predetermined relationships, that they understand legislation, that they understand how Senate and the House work together and people will respond well. Has it worked so far? And I would argue, I think it's worked better than people give it credit for.
But the people who cut and run here, the Democratic National Committee should command the space they occupy and should have done a better job giving oxygen and giving us a better look at people who have spent their lives in government. And that's not the Democratic Party, Scott. But that's OK. Like, I think you guys avoid this this this Thunderdome this year.
There were even if it's a adult Thunderdome. Because of Hillary. 100 percent. There was no way.
Couldn't have had a half a dozen debates. There's DNC debates. And quite frankly, they didn't invite Marianne Williamson. I mean, they just don't.
They just said, OK, we're not going to invite business people who are billionaires. We have this is where the Democratic National Committee. Yeah, but then why didn't all professional politics. I mean, Trump has blown that all to hell.
Like, look, he's not qualified in any stretch and remains unqualified. I mean, he just does a tweet from Mar-a-Lago, the southern White House forever, which is just a grifter palace as far as I can tell. But where they're just like writing checks, I'm assuming they'll just bring checks like it's a mafia wedding. But but it's, you know, I just I don't know.
I think this is the process. This is the process we have, especially with the Democrats. And that's the way it's going to go. And then we'll come, you know, we'll zero out on somebody.
And, you know, it looks like it's moving into the regulars. Like, it's not like they didn't get there. And I think they're better for it. I think the win, Scott, that's a fail for you.
You got to explain the Tesla situation. I think people were coming at you because Tesla's at an all-time high. So you don't know if it's a win, but it's a win for shareholders, for sure. So your win is an opportunity to embarrass me.
Is that what you're saying? Exactly. I want you to explain that. I was sitting there like, I don't explain this.
He's going to avoid it or whatever, but you can't avoid it. So what do you think about this run-up in Tesla stock? That's really what I want to know, what you think about it. So just to be clear, So the Yang people now hate you.
Let's have the Tesla people come after you. You know, if you're going to have enemies, have powerful enemies. So I said earlier in the year at South by Southwest, one of my big predictions is that this was the year Tesla was going to come undone and the moment. It was trading at 300 bucks a share the moment we said that.
The stock went to 220, not because of us, but just because. And I thought, wow, I'm actually pretty good at this prediction thing. And now it's at an all-time high. And there's just no getting around it.
You know, I was wrong. Tesla has. I thought all the incredible exit. That's the senior management was going to come back to haunt them.
I still believe the greatness is achieved in the agency of others. And I'm kind of, I don't want to say I'm doubling down. I'm almost a little bit tired of fighting people on Tesla and the heat I take. I own a Tesla.
I think it's a great car. I think it's a great brand. My viewpoint, though, is that at the end of the day, it's a company that bends steel and will begin at some point trading at a valuation that is the most valuable on any multiple or any reasonable metric auto company in the world, which puts it somewhere at like 80 to 120 bucks a share. So look, like the company.
Congratulations to them. I was wrong. Still think that company is wildly overvalued. Why do you go up?
Why do you think it went up? That's what I want to understand. Maybe a fake go up. I think that you're a hundred percent right about this.
This valuation is crazy. But why did it go up? What was the, what was the intervening factor that it keeps doing this? I'm going to see them.
Let me tell you, being back here in California for a while, all you see is Tesla's everywhere. Like now I live in San Francisco, but I was all over the Bay area and you see all levels of them everywhere being driven by people. There's just no getting around it. The company's tremendously innovative.
It doesn't, it takes enormous risks. It's, it's, I forget the new model that they launched last year, the more affordable model, but that seems to be getting traction. The pickup truck inspired this kind of this Tesla like wondery that people have come to expect. They're not afraid to do things incredibly different, especially their China production is coming online.
And now they're producing a thousand cars a day. So they've hit, they're starting to do something that they've never done before. And that is actually hit targets. Their, their famous are not It's one thing to identify what is the right behavior and to talk about it and to put blog posts up about it.
It's another thing to be that person. So my, my goal is for those two, two moons to line up at some point. Nice. OK, now about, now in business.
I predicted at the end of my column this week, that you finally read, which was a great moment in our relationship going forward for the next decade, that carrying around a device in our hand and staring at it will be a thing of the past by 2030. I don't think we will be having these phone. I don't think we'll be... I think there'll be another device that will be in around the eyes, I think probably.
So that was my prediction that this is by the end of the decade that we're not going to have, this is not going to be our relationship, our primary technical relationship that we have. So that is my prediction. What will it be? How will we be interfacing with our digital world then?
Something eyes up in the ear, in the ear eyes up that we'll be talking to it. Like a lot of, you know, I think, I take a lot of cues from movies and stuff like that. And I think a lot of the stuff that are in movies, they don't have a lot of holding of things. They have a lot of things in their ears and eyes and things like that.
So I think that's, we're going to have some sort of device around our head in the ear area or embedded in some way that is, that is how we communicate. So that's what I think. Mm. Yeah.
I don't, I don't, so wearables, I'll be very curious. And you think it goes to some sort of thing, like Apple, when Apple comes out with some sort of glass thing. That's what it was. Yeah.
It'll be interesting. Interesting. What about you? We're gonna finish up on that.
That was your big prediction for tech and media over the next. What should we be watching out for as we move pivot into our new, our new decade? Well, you know, other than on a broader basis, revolution is coming and then with the Southern hemisphere realized the fastest way to double their wealth is to take the money of seven families, which ultimately they will figure out a way to do it. Other than the impending revolution, Kara, in terms of tech, I think, I think the thing that creates the most shareholder value, if you will, in that first trillion, or you're talking about is, well, for lack of a better term, distributed healthcare.
I think just as retail began, began taxing people by taking them to these empty parking lots and forcing them to go up escalators and find a salesperson and check out and then navigate your way back to the car. I think that the, the concentration of healthcare in these facilities, which are unfriendly, very non-consumer welcoming, very inefficient, very time expensive that we're going to distribute healthcare through these devices. Most people think it's going to be Apple watch. I think it's going to be Alexa.
And we're going to find that the reason Amazon is becoming HIPAA compliant is they're about to start offering medical services and medical insurance at a lower price. I think it's going to be tremendously innovative. I think it's going to be create enormous shareholder value. I think Jeff Bezos is going to be the first trillionaire on the back of Amazon to move into healthcare.
Amazon will be the first $2 trillion company once they start announcing basic health health insurance and kind of basic medical services. So I think this is the decade where we go after the most disruptable industry in the world, uh, which is healthcare. I think this is the year of health tech. Health tech is the way I'm summarizing it.
Right. I like it. I thought climate tech, but I think you're right. I think that's, I think you're a hundred percent right.
I think you're a hundred percent right. Amazon, Amazon is going to be bigger than ever unless the government gets in his way or Trump does. But I think he's going to roll right over Trump. I think, you know what I mean?
In that fight, I'm like, I'm sorry, Trump. Jeff Bezos is going to take you down on that. That's Connor. That's Connor Gregor and Floyd Mayweather.
Bet on the guy with the fast hands who's actually in that sport. Jeff Bezos. That's, that's for the second time. The guy with the red hair gets the shit kicked out of him.
Yes, indeed. All right, Scott, this has been very exciting. I want you to get back to the slopes and whatever rich people do on holidays. I am going to work today.
I'm actually work today. Nobody's working, which is a really nice time to work. And I'm going to be doing some podcasts and things like that. But I'm excited to be back in 2020 with you on Tuesday on a regular thing and a bunch of live events and everything else.
And as I said at the end of last year, which, which is what I'm very looking forward to working with you over the next year. I'm going to be That's very nice. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Kara.
I feel the same about you. Well done. Let's make this a great decade, Kara. This is our decade.
This is ours. And let's be, let's be offensive along the way as much as we can. Offensive yet empathetic. Offensive yet empathetic.
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