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EPISODE · Apr 25, 2025 · 28 MIN

Can AI Truly Understand Human Needs in Justice Systems?

from AXSChat Podcast · host Antonio Santos, Debra Ruh, Neil Milliken

Judge Ginger Lerner-Wren brings a rare and powerful perspective to the criminal justice system. With nearly three decades on the bench in Florida and a background in disability rights advocacy, she offers insights you simply won't find elsewhere. Her journey from working directly in a psychiatric hospital to founding America's first Mental Health Court has equipped her with a truly unique understanding of how justice and healing can intersect.What happens when we apply artificial intelligence to mental health decisions? Judge Lerner-Wren raises profound questions about whether technology can ever truly address the authentic, individualized needs of people with mental health conditions. Having witnessed the gaps in community support firsthand, she understands the human dimensions that algorithms might miss. As governments rush toward technological solutions, her caution reminds us that efficiency shouldn't come at the expense of effectiveness, especially for vulnerable populations.The conversation takes a compelling turn toward the concept of "sanism" - the often-unacknowledged discrimination against people with mental health conditions that treats them as less than fully human. Judge Lerner-Wren's advocacy for peer support specialists highlights how lived experience can transform services and now could potentially improve AI systems as well. Her observations about COVID's impact on social connection for both youth and seniors illuminate how isolation affects mental wellbeing across generations.Social media presents both promise and peril in this landscape. While certain platforms drive passive consumption rather than meaningful interaction, Judge Lerner-Wren demonstrates how digital connections can spread innovations in therapeutic justice globally. Her vision of judges and lawyers as peacekeepers rather than just punishers offers a refreshing alternative to traditional approaches. Join us for this thought-provoking conversation about human connection, justice, and healing in an increasingly technological world. Follow AXSChat to continue exploring how we can create more inclusive systems that truly serve everyone's needs.Send us Fan MailSupport the showFollow axschat on social media.Bluesky:Antonio https://bsky.app/profile/akwyz.comDebra https://bsky.app/profile/debraruh.bsky.socialNeil https://bsky.app/profile/neilmilliken.bsky.socialaxschat https://bsky.app/profile/axschat.bsky.socialLinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/antoniovieirasantos/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/axschat/https://www.linkedin.com/in/neilmilliken/Vimeohttps://vimeo.com/akwyzhttps://twitter.com/axschathttps://twitter.com/AkwyZhttps://twitter.com/neilmillikenhttps://twitter.com/debraruh

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