Can Bitcoin Be Secured Only by Transaction Fees? Two Researchers Sound Off - Ep.272 episode artwork

EPISODE · Sep 14, 2021 · 1H 15M

Can Bitcoin Be Secured Only by Transaction Fees? Two Researchers Sound Off - Ep.272

from Unchained · host Laura Shin

Once the block reward diminishes greatly, can Bitcoin be secured only by transaction fees? On Unchained, Bitcoin writer Vijay Boyapati and Ethereum Foundation’s Justin Drake debate the merits of Bitcoin’s security model, which Drake says will largely rely on transaction fees as soon as within 20-30 years, not in 100+ years. Highlights: Justin’s and Vijay’s professional backgrounds why Justin thinks Bitcoin cannot survive solely on fees how Bitcoin is currently secured what makes Bitcoin’s security subjective rather than binary how much it would cost in dollars to 51% attack Bitcoin what the Bitcoin network could do in response to a 51% attack how to calculate Bitcoin’s security budget why Bitcoin's price can’t go exponential forever whether a “nuclear option” for Bitcoin miners could protect against a 51% attack why nation-states could be either pro or anti-Bitcoin why a Bitcoin Standard could be similar to the Gold Standard how Bitcoin will change going forward, and why Vijay thinks transaction fees will increase why Justin does not think transaction fees will increase enough to secure Bitcoin’s base layer how Justin would fix Bitcoin’s security model -- and why he thinks the 21 million hard cap is a meme why Vijay does not think Bitcoin’s security model will ever change -- especially the 21 million hard cap what Justin thinks Ethereum is doing better than Bitcoin why Vijay thinks Ethereum will fail Take the annual Unchained survey!  Hey all, the Unchained survey is out now, and we'd so appreciate it if you could give us your thoughts on how Unchained is doing and what we could do better. Plus, we've got some questions for you about Laura's upcoming book launch and the articles that she's already starting to write! Two lucky survey respondents will receive a BTC candle, which is scented with "satoshiwood, musk musk, tulip bulbs and finite minerals."    Head to surveymonkey.com/r/unchained2021 to fill out the survey today!    Subscribe to my Facebook Bulletin Newsletter!   Hey all, I'm excited to announce that I'll be writing a Facebook Bulletin newsletter , joining the likes of Malcolm Gladwell, Malala Yousafzai and Adam Grant, among others. My first post is already up.   Thank you to our sponsors! Digital Asset Research: https://www.digitalassetresearch.com/  Ledger: https://www.ledger.com/  Crypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unconfirmedcardearnfeb2021    Episode Links   Justin Drake Twitter: https://twitter.com/drakefjustin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drakefjustin/ Recent Unchained appearance: https://unchainedpodcast.com/is-eth-on-its-way-to-becoming-ultra-sound-money-yes-says-justin-drake/    Vijay Boyapati Twitter: https://twitter.com/real_vijay LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijayboyapati  The Bullish Case for Bitcoin: https://vijayboyapati.medium.com/the-bullish-case-for-bitcoin-6ecc8bdecc1    Bitcoin’s Security Model Hasu https://ark-invest.com/podcast/bitcoins-security-model-with-hasu/ Dan Held https://danhedl.medium.com/bitcoins-security-is-fine-93391d9b61a8  Nic Carter https://medium.com/@nic__carter/bitcoin-bites-the-bullet-8005a2a62d29 https://www.docdroid.net/C7uTY1R/mit-expo-slides-nic-carter-pdf#page=12 Paul Sztorc https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/security-budget/  Donal McIntyre https://etherplan.com/2019/05/17/why-the-bitcoin-fee-model-will-work/7587/ Phil Geiger https://unchained-capital.com/blog/21-million-is-non-negotiable/  Jordan McKinney https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-security-a-negative-exponential-95e78b6b575 https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-security-in-one-chart-694ee3ed8c2d  Lyn Alden https://www.lynalden.com/bitcoin-security-modeling/  Princeton https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~arvindn/publications/mining_CCS.pdf  Doomsday economics of PoW https://www.bis.org/publ/work765.pdf    Basic Info How BTC fees work https://river.com/learn/how-bitcoin-fees-work/ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Miner_fees  What will happen when all BTCs are mined? Decrypt: https://decrypt.co/33124/what-will-happen-to-bitcoin-after-all-21-million-are-mined River: https://river.com/learn/what-will-happen-after-all-bitcoin-mined/    Bitcoin Fees https://studio.glassnode.com/metrics?a=BTC&category=&ema=0&m=fees.VolumeSum&mAvg=365&mMedian=0&modal=loginForm  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Once the block reward diminishes greatly, can Bitcoin be secured only by transaction fees? On Unchained, Bitcoin writer Vijay Boyapati and Ethereum Foundation’s Justin Drake debate the merits of Bitcoin’s security model, which Drake says will largely rely on transaction fees as soon as within 20-30 years, not in 100+ years. Highlights: Justin’s and Vijay’s professional backgrounds why Justin thinks Bitcoin cannot survive solely on fees how Bitcoin is currently secured what makes Bitcoin’s security subjective rather than binary how much it would cost in dollars to 51% attack Bitcoin what the Bitcoin network could do in response to a 51% attack how to calculate Bitcoin’s security budget why Bitcoin's price can’t go exponential forever whether a “nuclear option” for Bitcoin miners could protect against a 51% attack why nation-states could be either pro or anti-Bitcoin why a Bitcoin Standard could be similar to the Gold Standard how Bitcoin will change going forward, and why Vijay thinks transaction fees will increase why Justin does not think transaction fees will increase enough to secure Bitcoin’s base layer how Justin would fix Bitcoin’s security model -- and why he thinks the 21 million hard cap is a meme why Vijay does not think Bitcoin’s security model will ever change -- especially the 21 million hard cap what Justin thinks Ethereum is doing better than Bitcoin why Vijay thinks Ethereum will fail Take the annual Unchained survey!  Hey all, the Unchained survey is out now, and we'd so appreciate it if you could give us your thoughts on how Unchained is doing and what we could do better. Plus, we've got some questions for you about Laura's upcoming book launch and the articles that she's already starting to write! Two lucky survey respondents will receive a BTC candle, which is scented with "satoshiwood, musk musk, tulip bulbs and finite minerals."    Head to surveymonkey.com/r/unchained2021 to fill out the survey today!    Subscribe to my Facebook Bulletin Newsletter!   Hey all, I'm excited to announce that I'll be writing a Facebook Bulletin newsletter , joining the likes of Malcolm Gladwell, Malala Yousafzai and Adam Grant, among others. My first post is already up.   Thank you to our sponsors! Digital Asset Research: https://www.digitalassetresearch.com/  Ledger: https://www.ledger.com/  Crypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unconfirmedcardearnfeb2021    Episode Links   Justin Drake Twitter: https://twitter.com/drakefjustin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drakefjustin/ Recent Unchained appearance: https://unchainedpodcast.com/is-eth-on-its-way-to-becoming-ultra-sound-money-yes-says-justin-drake/    Vijay Boyapati Twitter: https://twitter.com/real_vijay LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijayboyapati  The Bullish Case for Bitcoin: https://vijayboyapati.medium.com/the-bullish-case-for-bitcoin-6ecc8bdecc1    Bitcoin’s Security Model Hasu https://ark-invest.com/podcast/bitcoins-security-model-with-hasu/ Dan Held https://danhedl.medium.com/bitcoins-security-is-fine-93391d9b61a8  Nic Carter https://medium.com/@nic__carter/bitcoin-bites-the-bullet-8005a2a62d29 https://www.docdroid.net/C7uTY1R/mit-expo-slides-nic-carter-pdf#page=12 Paul Sztorc https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/security-budget/  Donal McIntyre https://etherplan.com/2019/05/17/why-the-bitcoin-fee-model-will-work/7587/ Phil Geiger https://unchained-capital.com/blog/21-million-is-non-negotiable/  Jordan McKinney https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-security-a-negative-exponential-95e78b6b575 https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-security-in-one-chart-694ee3ed8c2d  Lyn Alden https://www.lynalden.com/bitcoin-security-modeling/  Princeton https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~arvindn/publications/mining_CCS.pdf  Doomsday economics of PoW https://www.bis.org/publ/work765.pdf    Basic Info How BTC fees work https://river.com/learn/how-bitcoin-fees-work/ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Miner_fees  What will happen when all BTCs are mined? Decrypt: https://decrypt.co/33124/what-will-happen-to-bitcoin-after-all-21-million-are-mined River: https://river.com/learn/what-will-happen-after-all-bitcoin-mined/    Bitcoin Fees https://studio.glassnode.com/metrics?a=BTC&category=&ema=0&m=fees.VolumeSum&mAvg=365&mMedian=0&modal=loginForm  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

NOW PLAYING

Can Bitcoin Be Secured Only by Transaction Fees? Two Researchers Sound Off - Ep.272

0:00 1:15:22

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

Unshamed & Unchained: Carving Space For Self-Healing & Habit Transformation Danny Poelman Welcome to "Unshamed & Unchained: Carving Space For Self-Healing & Habit Transformation", the podcast where we break the chains of shame and societal expectations to create a safe space for self-healing, habit transformation, and personal growth. Hosted by a seasoned life coach, Danny Poelman DDS, with years of hands-on experience, this podcast is your guide to reclaiming your voice, embracing your story, and living life on your terms.In each episode, we dive deep into the topics that matter most to you—whether it's:-breaking free from unwanted habits like pornography-excessive people-pleasing-healing from past trauma-recovering from narcissistic abuse or religious/relational trauma-anxiety/depression-money mindset blocks-overcoming limiting beliefsWe’re not afraid to talk about the things that are often considered taboo, because we believe that through honest, unfiltered conversations, real transformation happens.You’ll hear real INDIÉ LÖVE, FÖR RÉAL EUGKEN Btw INDIE LOVE, FOR REAL is a heartfelt, genre-blending track that captures the raw, unfiltered essence of independent love—pure, intentional, and unchained by mainstream expectations. With mellow instrumentals and emotionally charged vocals, the song paints a vivid picture of love that’s authentic and uncompromising.Songwriter: Eugene MgonyaProducer: Rosco Beats Interchain.FM Chjango Unchained Interchain.FM is the Cosmos Radio Station which shines a light on the protocols that solve the hardest problems in Web3. It's a technical podcast that uncovers the vibrant world of bleeding edge technology built in the pursuit of anti-censorship, freedom, and preserving the privacy of the sovereign individual. Become an Interchain.FM🥩 staker on Osmosis, Comdex, and Umee! The Unchained Mind Alex Rudnicka Welcome to The Unchained Mind, where we dive into the power of mindset for entrepreneurs. Join us as we explore the art of creating your own reality through the limitless potential of your mind. Unshackle yourself from limiting beliefs and unlock the keys to entrepreneurial success with simple mindset strategies that help you create your reality using the power of your mind.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of Unchained?

This episode is 1 hour and 15 minutes long.

When was this Unchained episode published?

This episode was published on September 14, 2021.

What is this episode about?

Once the block reward diminishes greatly, can Bitcoin be secured only by transaction fees? On Unchained, Bitcoin writer Vijay Boyapati and Ethereum Foundation’s Justin Drake debate the merits of Bitcoin’s security model, which Drake says will...

Can I download this Unchained episode?

Yes, you can download this episode by clicking the download button on the episode player, or subscribe to the podcast in your preferred podcast app for automatic downloads.
URL copied to clipboard!