Can Defense in Depth Work for AI? (with Adam Gleave)

Adam Gleave is co-founder and CEO of FAR.AI. In this cross-post from The Cognitive Revolution Podcast, he joins to discuss post-AGI scenarios and AI safety challenges. The conversation explores his three-tier framework for AI capabilities, gradual disempowerment concerns, defense-in-depth security, and research on training less deceptive models. Topics include timelines, interpretability limitations, scalable oversight techniques, and FAR.AI’s vertically integrated approach spanning technical research, policy advocacy, and field-building.LINKS:Adam Gleave - https://www.gleave.meFAR.AI - https://www.far.aiThe Cognitive Revolution Podcast - https://www.cognitiverevolution.aiPRODUCED BY:https://aipodcast.ingCHAPTERS:(00:00) A Positive Post-AGI Vision(10:07) Surviving Gradual Disempowerment(16:34) Defining Powerful AIs(27:02) Solving Continual Learning(35:49) The Just-in-Time Safety Problem(42:14) Can Defense-in-Depth Work?(49:18) Fixing Alignment Problems(58:03) Safer Training Formulas(01:02:24) The Role of Interpretability(01:09:25) FAR.AI's Vertically Integrated Approach(01:14:14) Hiring at FAR.AI(01:16:02) The Future of GovernanceSOCIAL LINKS:Website: https://podcast.futureoflife.orgTwitter (FLI): https://x.com/FLI_orgTwitter (Gus): https://x.com/gusdockerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/future-of-life-institute/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rCCy3FQ-GItDimSR9lhzw/Apple: https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1170991978Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Op1WO3gwVwCrYHg4eoGyP