Can I Be a B*tch for a Second? (feat. Normal Gossip's Kelsey McKinney)

This week, Kate unpacks the art, science, and history of gossip with Kelsey McKinney (from the beloved podcast Normal Gossip and author of NYT bestselling book You Didn't Hear This From Me). They explore a variety of angles for this topic, such as how dismissing gossip as "women's talk" has historically been a tool of patriarchal control, religious institutions, or corporations, etc., and how gossip networks have actually served as feminist resistance channels throughout history. They also examine their complicated relationship with parasocial relationships and "entitlement gossip," forever navigating the fine line between being messy Bs who love tea and recognizing gossip's legitimate social power. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! For April, Amika is giving the Beths a one-time use code for 15% off your first order through the end of April. Just go to loveamika.com/bethereinfive and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's loveamika.com/bethereinfive, code BETHEREINFIVE to get 15% off your first order! To celebrate Moms everywhere, this weekend only, May 2-4, Cozy Earth is giving my listeners a special promo: Buy One, Get One Free bamboo pajamas!! Use code BETHEREINFIVEBOGO at cozyearth.com to take advantage of this! Or Get 40% off with my code BETHEREINFIVE cozyearth.com for everything else! Ready up for a long day with extraordinary hydration from Liquid I.V. Get 20% off your first order of Liquid I.V. when you go to LIQUID-IV.COM and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Build your vacation-ready wardrobe from the ground up. Shop the new summer collection and receive 20% off your purchase with the code BETHEREINFIVE at marcfisherfootwear.com.  Nuuly is a great value at $98 a month for any 6 styles, but right now you can get $28 off your first month of Nuuly when you sign up with the code BETHEREINFIVE. Just go to Nuuly.com and sign up to get $28 off your first month. Go to paireyewear.com and use code BTIF for 15% off your first pair. And support the show by mentioning Be There in Five sent you in your post checkout survey!