EPISODE · Dec 5, 2025 · 46 MIN
Can you have a leaderless team? With Jon Barnes
from We Not Me · host Jon Barnes, Dan Hammond, Pia Lee
Autonomy in teams requires clarity, not chaos. Successful autonomous teams need defined authority over coordination, transparent processes, and intentional facilitation to empower people whilst maintaining alignment and effectiveness.Jon Barnes is a facilitator, coach, and co-founder of Pala, and he focuses on helping teams and organisations become more autonomous. His approach spans a spectrum from making hierarchies feel less hierarchical, to helping teams operate fundamentally without line management.Three reasons to listenCreate clarity in team structures by defining authority and decision-making processes upfrontBuild psychological safety and engagement through effective facilitation techniquesBalance empowerment with appropriate holding by learning when to let go and when to provide directionEpisode highlights[00:12:22] the two types of waste in teams[00:18:10] What does leadership look like away from hierarchy?[00:21:44] Self-management in highly-pressurised teams[00:25:37] The myth of self-governance[00:27:12] Unhelpful self-management patterns[00:32:47] Jon's biggest two levers[00:35:32] Jon's media recommendation[00:36:59] Dan's media recommendation[00:41:12] Takeaways from Pia and DanLinksConnect with Jon via LinkedInHumankind, by Rutger BregmanLonesome Dove, by Larry McMurtry – Jon’s media recommendationThe Ministry of Time, by Kaliane Bradley – Dan’s media recommendationFrom the Core, by John Wineland – Pia’s media recommendationTrack and improve your team performance with SquadifyLeave us a voice note
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