Canberra Conversations: Mike Pezzullo, Secretary of the Dept of Immigration and Border Protection

Canberra has a large community of foreign-policy professionals - public servants, political staffers, diplomats, journalists, academics, students. In our new occasional podcast series ‘Canberra Conversations’, Lowy Institute Senior Fellow Sam Roggeveen will interview Canberra's national-security and foreign-policy leaders about their lives, their influences, and how they do their jobs.In the first episode of Canberra Conversations, Roggeveen speaks with Mike Pezzullo, Secretary of the Department of Immigration and Border Protection and the front-runner to head the powerful new Home Affairs Ministry upon its eventual formation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.