Carlos Rafael Rivera and David Stal turn Deborah Vance’s wildest EGOT dream into gold in 'Hacks'

The Emmy-nominated duo join me to discuss the surprising craft behind their song "Mis Figuritas," honoring musical tradition, trusting Jean Smart’s performance and finding comedy through sincerity. If you enjoyed this interview, hit subscribe, leave a comment, and share your thoughts. I’d love to know what you think. Stay tuned for more conversations and new episodes of the podcast, where we go deeper into the stories shaping film, television and the people who bring them to life.