Carson Gross (Creator of HTMX) Reflects on Hypermedia Systems

In this episode, Carson Gross joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Hypermedia Systems Join them as Carson reflects on the process of publishing the book, the development of HTMX, and how to deal with setbacks!John Ousterhout and Bob Martin Conversationhttps://github.com/johnousterhout/aposd-vs-clean-codeFixi.js (a new project from Carson Gross)https://github.com/bigskysoftware/fixiTriptych - New Attributes for HTMLhttps://github.com/alexpetros/triptychHTMXhttps://htmx.org/-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------Hypermedia Systemshttps://amzn.to/4iou43T (Paid Link)Philosophy of Software Design by John Ousterhouthttps://amzn.to/4bEVMHp (Paid Link)The Master and Margarita: 50th-Anniversary Edition by Mikhail Bulgakovhttps://amzn.to/3R1pzR3 (Paid Link)Worse is Better (essay)https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.htmlNo Silver Bullethttps://worrydream.com/refs/Brooks_1986_-_No_Silver_Bullet.pdf----------------00:00 Intro01:47 What Inspired you to write Hypermedia Systems07:37 Challenging Assumptions, Hypermedia, Javascript, and Worse is Better13:51 Roy Fielding, REST, HATEOAS and mispronouncing things.16:15 What is the most surprising outcome of writing Hypermedia Systems?19:42 Creating fixi.js28:32 Discussing Progressive Enhancement, Triptych, and Browser Standards35:40 Dealing with Setbacks and Success41:01 No Silver Bullet, and the Ousterhout and Martin debate50:00 What if No HTMX? Hypercard56:11 Tool chains, debuggers, and developer expectations01:01:29 Final Thoughts----------------Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5LApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpodCarter on X: https://x.com/cartermorganNathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com----------------Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io