Casual Nerdom vs Dragonball

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So, thank you guys for listening to episode 2 of Casual and Nerd Them. Yes indeed. It's a big sighted, to be this episode because we're going to be talking about a topic that I have a very, very close relationship to and I think probably every young person that grew up in the 90s had relationship to this particular topic. I just want to say that going forward, like I said, please follow Casual and Nerd Them have nerdy, please comment.

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So Casual and Nerd Them is really put people that aren't full blown nerds but still are heavily into the topics we discuss. I might have binge watched every TV show, every show that comes out now. That makes you a nerd of that thing. You know what I'm saying?

So you have Apple nerds. You have sneaker nerds. You have fashion nerds. You have luggage nerds.

You have all types of nerds of different things. If you ever discussed something that wasn't really real, like it was real, you're a nerd of that thing. That's like a really general definition I thought of because we have imaginations. We're able to.

You can talk about lore, video games like it really happens. And when you get that kind of passion, you're a nerd about that. And that could be anything, including something that you might not think that a lot of things in this world that you become nerds of, some people become nerds of religions and some of the other practices, just doctors, like there are people who are medical nerds. Like there are doctors and medical nerds who know a lot more than what they're doing and always expanded their knowledge.

You can be a nerd of anything. And those are the kind of people that come home and probably watch anime or probably watch Game of Thrones because that's ingrained in all of us. And just that some of us are brave enough to not let quote unquote like animation or anything stop you from enjoying something. Exactly.

So to get into the topic of today, today's topic will be to. The Dragon Ball universe. Now I know there are people that are going to have all the things to say about this specific topic. And there are probably people that are listening like I want to hear about this.

But this is Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball is an important thing in pop culture in the 90s and in America and around the world. Goku just got to float at the parade. It makes it great.

It makes it great this year. Like in mind you, it's been like 20 years since Dragon Ball came out. And finally, you know, the whole amount was first obviously. But Goku is kind of up there in terms of like, like Goku and Pikachu was in a picture together.

I bet you're down to be the most popular picture in the world. I saw someone had on Twitter, someone had posted a photo that showed a New York Times article that when Dragon Ball Z first came out, it was kind of bashing Dragon Ball Z saying that this is what a violent show like kids are watching. And then Flash forward to today with another New York Times article came out saying that Dragon Ball Z had a float in the New York Times, I mean, it makes you think great. So and it was on the cover of the New York Times.

So I thought that was very great. I was like, you see how like comes food circle like that? It's interesting. You know, it was going to be next probably.

Solid Snake. Solid Snake. You had to get solid. You imagine a solid snake float.

We don't need that. Listen, it's an Dragon Ball Z and then Dragon Ball Super. That's how I was supposed to go. Now technically, Dragon Ball GT was not supposed to be a part of the original storyline.

That just happening, I guess you know more about that in that decrease. Nah, just, Carrie Toriyama has stuck their way from being super involved in Dragon Ball Z. That's the creative Dragon Ball Z, by the way. Yeah.

And you only know about him. If you ever bought the manga, you have his name is everywhere. So he was the one at Henn Dragon Ball first. So he's the one at his brainchild.

So and I was so people when you watch anime, especially here in America, you have to understand that it's like music coming from other parts of the world. It has been operating a long time. I remember going to toy stores and seeing like super saying for go jita before I knew who that was like and A little weird miss painted toys because no one knew what the character They look like sort of painted people with purple hair and stuff and yeah, you gotta remember that like so For us him being involved in something created almost one year before we like 10 10 before we seen it He was getting up there in years So he stepped away and they stole the rice to the show to another show runner or animator something like that and there are the ones that contained a story with GT um and A curator yam at the time wasn't too pleased with how it came out if I'm not mistaken I don't think he said that but like a lot of people weren't happy And eventually once he did decide to get involved again I guess because the fandom never died down because of a lot of things that I mentioned later That we the community have done to keep Dragon Ball alive He came back and did super which now Kind of put the timeline back in place But in the span of that time Dragon Ball had developed a multiverse So now they made the Dragon Ball GT Technically canon because they have the Dragon Ball heroes thing and they meet in that so it's like okay So there is a scenario in which they can exist at the same time So think of it when you watch it like this is a timeline split like this happened or this happened. Yeah, so For me, I always wondered because you know if you were in America the first thing you saw was Dragon Ball Z that was the first thing you saw even though that wasn't technically the first being that was created Dragon Ball is the start so when Goku is married and as a kid but Dragon Ball Is actually all the setup for Dragon Ball is the now you wonder like why I did why was Dragon Ball is the brought to America first That of Dragon Ball, you know and my theory is that Amine could talk about this and off air.

I feel that is because Dragon Ball would not have caught consumers attention in America at that time There was a lot of setup for that show there was a lot of um, it wasn't as much action in the beginning It was more so like on the funny side and it got pretty wrong And it got pretty much like that would have been a big issue, you know And that was the era of four kids and and my entertainment like just since they're in a crap I'd everything so I could imagine what would happen to Dragon Ball like with the boomers in the beginning and like some of the stuff for GT and just some of the imagery like I just I can imagine they probably decide like You know what you're gonna not do this because you I don't think they would have gotten the Dragon Ball Yeah, and on top of we were seeing a hyper your dragon ball was very very long. It's very it's all the setup For Dragon Ball Z and starts from Goku as a kid because you know they mentioned all these things in Dragon Ball Z That we don't even know about but everyone all these characters seem to know already like you know Goku's grandfather The fact that his son is named after grandfather And all these things like I said that we don't know, you know, I was gonna say that on top of that Dragon Ball What we saw in America on television was hyper edited Because you know as I as we got older we went and watched the anime version there were things I was said and done And we were like wait, when did this happen? You know, there were also a lot of things I would add it into the American version that would technically be called filler episodes that would not end The anime version they kind of cut through all that but they added it in the American version I guess for this back story to give it more content or whatever So yeah, I mean I was pleasantly surprised and I went and watched the anime version as I got older I was like wait, what this is not what happened in the way This is not how so-and-so died like wait, this is not how it went down So I was like oh it was like really really like raw and really I guess not not for American television Partuncial at that time I have one memory of watching Dragon Ball Z in Spanish and When Frieza met Trunks for the first time and he cleanses fist getting angry about Goku and our version They showed the first cleanse the Arthur first cleanse right but in the Spanish version He asked you cleanse the stress so hard that blood drips out and I'm watching like that is not what happened Like that's like what are we watching so like it was heavily heavily edited like and as awesome as it was There was a lot of things that would take it out like that whole I remember one particular like that whole When they were going to Namek and that whole thing when they found O-Namik and then it was on a spaceship none of that happened None of that happened like yeah, they did in space the space thing did not take long to kind of gotten a ship It went there and it got there that's kind of what happened in the manga. Yeah, so That's why when they're Dragon Ball Z Kai they took out all of it So most people will tell you about Dragon Ball Z Kai because that's like watching it as it was made without Running into a hundred episodes of stuff that didn't happen.

Yeah, so yeah, cuz they're because Dragon Ball Z Kai is Basically a moment of Aquaman's brotherhood. Yeah, okay. It's like an abridged version There is no Dragon Ball Z akin to America and basically it's it cuts. It's only like what a hundred episodes I found the man go way more closely.

Yeah, but like there is no Dragon Ball Z No, I think it was like a hundred for the original Dragon Ball Z was 300 and some odd episodes You know of Naruto levels right there and I was like oh man This is really long this but then you realize how much filler was added and they took that out I was like man's mostly filler episodes So I guess I guess they don't they did that because they wanted to prolong the series and not have a wrap up so fast So that could be reason why but going back to what I said Yeah, Dragon Ball was not brought to America first after Dragon Ball Z did so well though They ended up bringing it to America and showing the origins of Goku and Krillin and Yamcha Tian Haime and Piccolo because Piccolo introduced already they knew who Piccolo was even though like he wasn't the bad guy and Dragon Ball Z He was no one liked him and we didn't know why no one liked him They just knew that no one liked him, you know and then Dragon Ball gave all that back story for why no one like Piccolo Why he was evil, you know and like how that the Piccolo we see now is not the original Piccolo so all that stuff So when I watched Dragon Ball I was like that's another long long show because it does all the content all the that's why Dragon Ball Z was so short because Dragon Ball did all the back story all the things we need to know about these characters and all the in-betweens So which is even more hilarious because when they did the scene I think within the boot saga when I think the world was gonna No when the world had got revived everyone had to give when when Goku was filming their spirit bomb at Kid Boo And they showed characters in the show right now when everybody was getting energy to go Who and they show characters that were in Dragon Ball that they never showed in Dragon Ball Z So you're like who are these people we don't know if you didn't if you didn't watch Dragon Ball you would not have known Yeah, you weren't like even I remember when Goku ran into the Indian girl again I don't know where like when he tried when he trained me super saying and if you don't know Dragon Ball You're like who are these people like who's even super when you brought back our Ariel? I'm like who is this person like this though and stuff so you need like it's one of the things you know and like agent was saying like They think about the show that would come out on a time time. I was coming out we have Sailor Moon we have We had Gundam you know most of those protagonists were teenagers or adults with special powers and you know You didn't know the childhood show you do the show you didn't even need to know you need to know what's going on right now So if you had to make a choice between which show you wanted to put up there You know you would if you had dragon was there ready to go and you knew that you can just edit out the more crazy parts and make A look Sailor Moonish then you can get away with it This was the time which like we had like like Donna Cass is going out of style You know civil hosts are going on a style both channels still around you had it Mostly like the trend of young adults and adults being strong already and fighting against evil like and we have power into San America Which is really from Japan but like you know it is what it is So we had all those things that allowed us to experience different sides of the culture, but Dragonball would have been Bobby Flag. Yeah, I'm a I'm thinking the one thing that I was having early on with Obama and Goku when he first met That would have been like a big controversy right away.

Oh, yeah, you can have that show in 2018 now No, it wouldn't ever like there's no way like there's no way those episodes would have been made it would It's been cut completely out the show and I think when he showed Dragonball had to cut away like they did cut it They cut that episode it's certain things weren't there's too much. It's cut the episode completely So Dragonball had a hundred fifty three episodes like that aired Dragonball Z had two hundred and ninety one And then Kai had one hundred and fifty nine So that's two hundred ninety one compared to one hundred fifty nine. That's like a hundred and plus That's a lot of that's a lot of filler. Yeah, so why why that's even three hundred episodes?

What I see that's like three hundred somewhere if I added them together probably yeah, probably that's including the boot saga Yeah, I saw like some wild ridiculous number for that Yeah, so and that goes to touch on Chris said about you know how that would not have been to fly America We're not able to fly now. I mean I guess topics are so sensitive now You can't even that's one of the reason why I feel like shows aren't as good now Is it used to be because now everything's so sensitive you have to be so always politically correct and everything you make It takes away the enjoyment and the realism of the show I'm so you gotta like you have to like if you say something bad you gotta then like explain super explain why I'm like let it's be you know, I have to that's it be a Everything is so sensitive thing. It just takes away from what we love about everything today. So One thing I know in Dragon Ball Z and you know and Dragon Ball super which is your job So I shouldn't make sure by the way, but Dragon Ball Z is that there's a character Everyone knows his character Gohan, which is Goku Sun Gohan is becomes the most powerful character at one point in Dragon Ball Z and They touch on this topic a lot with Gohan because I know talking to a lot of friends I have that we were we were all let down by Gohan's development as he got older throughout the Dragon Ball universe series and Gohan at one point was the strongest character Goku Sun and they were hinting at this from the beginning of Dragon Ball Z When Gohan to be read it's like he was the strongest character.

He was the guy that was going to surpass Goku That was the setup, right? That's that's what we went into it as he's gonna surpass Goku one day They kept hinting at this latent power He had that always came out when he got really angry We upset you know when he fought Frieza, you know a lot of things that happened when you know when he fought the sands when he fought A naphone it always comes out. So but for some reason I don't know how after the cell saga He became just this kind of pansy person. I know you know I don't know if it's because he got married well, you know He could be fell in love or a guy is just he just became this like pansy person of a character That was a letdown and and I think it was the longest running joke and Dragon Ball Z about then Gohan's is such a letdown now like Bring back bring back Gohan like you know I'm saying like and then for them to finally do it as super was That took them rewanted get to that super was a defining moment But we might think it was that they like go on it was like that Teacher his mom his mom said it from when you first met Gohan go because that was gonna martial arts like you was like No, she she wants from the study like the world could be on fire and teach you a Piper for Gohan to not get involved so he doesn't have to die so it can be a doctor and The one thing I have the issue with that even that like watching the show now today like they dwarf all of the All of the female characters the women on the show they dwarf them all in terms of like She used to be a warrior used to be a fighter like that I'm trying to met like and and I know that she trained go 10 but like She has to have an understanding of like what's going on here like yes I think that maybe in the back of she's mine she understands that Goku's presence is probably why all these things that happen Because when you think about it if Goku never came to earth none of this would have happened yes Right and then a dragon or dragon ball Z would have asked the occur to go couldn't come to earth It go couldn't come to earth say is when I come looking for him say is when I come looking for him They want to he want to have died you want to have a kinkai if you didn't die me kinkai when I'm kind of stronger Not only thing I will say that something I was watching video And I was explaining that but the thing about it is that for piccolo still would have existed as far as I know Yeah, and if Goku did not like about it in the dragon ball right it was really just Goku fighting against piccolo as like the stronger person I could exist yeah When you get to drag him I was using you start taking into other places where everything a dragon ball Z happened to go Who's there everything dragon ball happens because Goku like he faced a Revan army they were already there You know a lot of things that happen in dragon ball was Goku against the world kind of soda Mpla P off the tournaments just Tim trying to be a martial artist which would have made for a really great show If it was like you know better drawn and more even cool in death and that show I was first death like a lot of things That's why even Dragon Ball Z even talk about cool and not being able to come at me because he died that first time Yeah, and like people don't understand like why is it real why cool and kind because when he died in that show that counted because he got Wishback before Dragon Ball Z even started you didn't know that yeah I was like what am I gonna wish back no one is a guy already exactly so it frees me Kill them that's why I say go cool because that was a second time Goku had to watch I'm gonna die front it so bring so then When you look at it now the dragon mother doesn't seem to have a lot of crowd development Like if they show like if I imagine if when Goku was sitting again mad about Frieza Right they show flash pass of Goku holding for them He was at the first time and you would have been like oh the connection like go cool But because it's because it's an animation because it was highly edited no one thinks to do that And they didn't want to introduce dragon ball scenes into dragon ball Z But that would have given like shows now that would have been exactly what they would have done Especially with long Naruto does all the time they call back to earlier seeing the call back to think they have him before to let You know what motivates the person without those things dragon ball Z makes everyone seem like a hollow character really except for No, everyone's like a hollow character.

Yeah, um So I just like to go back to Gohan. It was like it was a real I know for you got pacified Yeah, he really did I was like he was the strongest but he got pacified and I think because Goku wasn't around to keep him training because remember when he was Around for a couple of days with so I go to train and he got really close and then he died and Chi Chi's like well your dad's going And I'm pregnant so you need I'm not letting you train with these fools You can clear strong because they're strong as person on the planet right now So you can just go back to school like I can see Chi Chi saying that and go cooking on a go coming like well Okay, whatever I gotta help with the baby anyway, and that's it was pickle up Like how come pickle didn't be as hard as on Gohan as he was when he was younger I mean I would thought he would have did that you know I think pick a little also understood because because pickle was my change They come all about it in the self-talk because he used then he's usually coming by them Yeah, so he's not gonna be as bad as he was if you think about it now He's not that he's not that aggressive anymore because him and coming out back to normal So now he kind of even out at I mean when he was training back most of you pretty aggressive But he can't no no the first time he kidnapped Gohan and took away and forcefully trained him right yeah And the second time I trained with Goku that was for sale and she didn't know that what he was doing And then if he that was a running guy to cheat you to then know that Gohan was involved in all of these fights until somehow I was on fucking TV and she would see him like the cell side She freaked out like why is my baby doing it she didn't know he was gonna be there yeah And she didn't know he was gonna fight so the whole time she didn't see doesn't want him to be involved in that and that's also I'm really she definitely she definitely She didn't want to fight though She's gonna be there because she knows you can't but she knows what you want to do I'll go like go who don't like and please do don't and go how long to go to because he at the end of the day He kind of we had to be there He got pograins in a blue soccer in the very beginning and after that he didn't got killed But you should it on him for like yeah That was so epic with the way that you should go on this epic is so this this meteoric rise that happened in super where he Cuz I remember looking back like oh he was skinny as hell when it said we started then he went back to training He was been back to like ultimate Gohan for him and then like all right cool This this is great But now ultimate Gohan is like nothing compared to like everyone that happens in superstars So now it's like you're on par yeah You're on par like and I hate the fact that Goku went around fighting everyone like that's not the show realized I go Who people think I think that's what happened is that the show didn't want to abandon it So then what go on and step into the fold didn't know how that would happen how you would have that kind of series But I feel like a defender of Earth series will be actually pretty nice because that's a cool time He wasn't defending the earth all the time people were coming for him sometimes Yeah, so it wasn't like he was always a friend in the planet The planet would be collateral damage because people want to care about the planet if he's any care about them So yeah, but in go who didn't say dynamic? So like if Gohan was defending earth which happened in a lot of parody shows Like if you like I'm with the half my Gohan is the one that's there It's like I'm the guy the show like I got a fact of big boss And he just and it's he's not like oh I want to see how he's not he's not going into it Like go on like Goku is saying I want to see I'm sure on his guy's go on like I need I need it to stop And I think I'd be a way more like cool show at least even if I'll let it out I have Gohan is be like that first person to show like listen Like I'm here to protect everybody just need to stop my dad would have done this and I'm here to place my dad And I've been training on the side I think I'm also understand and don't like that that go on didn't understand I was important to keep up between it That's what I'm doing. I'm just like Peace is fine, but when what if when there's not peace?

Yeah, like Vegeta was grew up in a war country So he never known peace so that he's but he's not wrong like staying a little when it's planning and we are some of the Strong people in the universe people might seek us out unfortunately you need to be ready for that So I'm you doesn't know how to say that obviously But that's kind of the gist of like what he wants to say like you should be prepared for that You shouldn't just eyeball into your civilian life Like you do have this out of you that that can and probably should be cultivate And it's funny like because Vegeta was legit dad but he was still training his ass over every day Right, so it wasn't like going on So it was like I said it wasn't defining money They don't really need money like I don't every time because they got the million dollars right in the beginning of the show So they don't need money. They said she blew it. Oh, yeah I understand go home to have a civilian life and everything like get that but that don't mean you can't train You know every once in a while and I have all the time chamber bro like you can go in there for like a day Something like that and then your wife is actually Even still like everyone around you like you met your girl the same way your dad man has girl do fighting bro Like you press you at school. They had to buy the Dell too.

Yeah, she was like I mean once you got needed in the face by spoken vision like to be like like a lamb I don't think I want to let her fight anymore. You remember that? Just like the dude knew is bigger than her whole body Yeah, so I'd have been like well I guess but they were not fighting anymore in my book like and Gohan should train for that Yeah, it was definitely there was a lot of things that I felt like what a motivate to go on the train and that's I think what you're saying Like there's no way that Gohan as much as he is things. I don't need to train Yeah, like it doesn't make sense.

It was definitely defined for me though And I'm going to go on was we now acknowledge him as that nigga It was like yo go on is that dude now? You know I'm saying like it's like it feels great So about boob it feels great to to see Gohan be You know the one that's thinking the one that's being He does have a bachelor like that. He did it twice. He did it with boo.

He did it with so when he had the upper hand He got cocky. Yeah, and that's what happened. Yeah, he didn't do that super though He didn't do it in super cuz he's like I can't I got a camera I can't be actually learned and was like saying that how his dad was a liability And super like I thought that was really great. They touched upon that he's like no dad's liability You know saying he's gonna be out here just doing whatever and not focusing on the fact that we need to win You can't say he's not gonna be on new he's on he might focus on like oh who I Who struck on the fight he not focus on like that the task at hand and I thought that was very built They touched on that one thing I was gonna say too is that I feel like Vegeta is the one of the most Unappreciated characters in Dragon Ball.

He's had the most growth. He has had like the best time You know, he's done the weirdest thing with his out of character things like he's the one that's done the most out of character Things than anyone else in the show. Yeah, it's been super clutch throughout the entire series I was definitely say that watching with Jesus transformation and his realization and even a super when he had Took it when they took that moment to say that Vegeta was like, all right. Go go you got it I was like that crushed me as a Vegeta fan because I was like These are my favorite characters that crushed me because I was like yo like no Vegeta's not you can't do this Like you can't be like oh, no, no, no I just I appreciate Vegeta because he's the kind of person I said like if I can do it I'm gonna try to do that shit.

I'm not gonna like oh, I guess go go go go go go She's like no, no, no, no, I'm here if I can do that shit is gonna get done But when he realizes he can't do it he's like damn okay, okay, I like at least you're here in case I can't do that That's that's his man. Okay, cool I respect you because if I don't if I mess up or whatever You can you get my back and if you mess up what you do I can get your back How many times have you just come in at the clutch and be like Yeah, but that's why not this love the fact that they show Vegeta's level of genius as a fighter when piccolo Knowled is Vegeta and Dragon Ball and see when Vegeta died Friday Majin boo the first time and I thought it was the way that piccolo and I was like, yes We need this moment because but he does not give enough he does not get enough attention and not not attention But not enough acknowledgement. I know people always you know harper pawn his pride and you know him being you know Always having that dark side, but he is a genius fighter You know, he's probably he is definitely if we had to really think about it if you know Goku and Jita match He's definitely a better fighter what better thinker and fighting at than Goku I feel like Goku is I think on wist explained this wist test on this very very on this topic that Goku was more flexible when he fights So he doesn't have a rigidness. He's more like, you know, he thinks on the fly So it's not you know like he's he's never too He's never too proud to try something that probably won't work You know I'm saying for the sake of just like doing it But Jita is more technical.

He's more like this is how to go. This is the this is the strongest punches the strong We're gonna put this wrong way to keep last he's so technical as a fighter and I think that was very very very very Very awesome thing to touch on yeah I think I think that in a reason why I say that is because when I think about it now when you really give us some thought Um Goku got to train in a lot of different types of martial arts He trained under his grandfather Gohan, then he trained under master roshi, then he trained under Even trained under king Kai, right? Then he trained under who else he trained under he trained with the the Yodrax The one that taught me to transmission he trained under Not the other Kai to a supreme Kai for no they it's a little bit then he trained a week You know even he technically trained to pick a little tool like on an off chance But they did say that they trained together every once in a while when you're around So Goku has got a lot of chances to soak in other types of martial arts true Vegeta has not he hasn't had teachers like Outside of weeks and we's not teaching them martial arts we used to teaching them how to use their powers differently and how to detect That's hard on that because when Vegeta trained with weeks for like a small amount of time He was strong and he was strong and I like he achieved that she achieved it so fast to go for a minute He teaches so fast listen I don't care what no one says Vegeta gave Goku super saying God energy like we all seen what happened when he punched each other And we know that they can do that because we share they when they're both saying they're both the only two players But I think that's not a bull freakin broadly, but we haven't seen them yet But they they can share energy like like like passing of all back and forth like it happens all the time And we've done it a bunch of times and it'd be infused before so which also enhance it that because not like the fusion wasn't Can and that happened and he got separated inside a booth that without that they would have been together still So their energy is like really bonding together So I feel like if one guy is in Goku is like a ghost was like you know My spirit is a vocal right now turn very so you can take any power that you can get and absorb it That's why he's not to flex about it because he can absorb different types of techniques and all that kind of stuff I mean make it his own use going to shut up this I've seen him I think he's got everything that a galagum before too. He's got a galagum.

He's got a guy like he's Successively copied everyone's attacks. Yeah, he's not a boy I'm like I think he's got a galagum before and it's like, you know So when you have those elements in there and you're like all right, but medida punch Goku and it was training And and you see what happened he punched him a little blue flash of him in black for a second and then after that it was done They didn't really explain that at all right, but then go to go super same blue like that was like all the train And I can do it I'm like no bro like no that's not how did you get to that right from chain of a week Yeah, so and people try to say oh Vegeta can't go super same blue before that until Goku gave him the energy and I'm like No, no, no, I don't believe that like there's no way we should be training him if he couldn't go super same blue They literally said that Vegeta had achieved God while Goku was gone They really got it so it's like you got a little bit of God key which which makes that whole it's funny because they make the whole Rich was like a waste of time now. Um, but I think yeah, that was such a Like but I think I think I think what it was that that was the alternate way like how did you meet a guy and you just Have that or you combine enough good purest energy where you get a little bit of gaki and you can then say He's gonna cultivate that that's why Goku once you got it like again Go who gets energy and oh remember the whole thing about them being guy was oh it didn't leave his system completely Yeah, like now that he did it is always gonna be there mixed with his mik. I'll bother to talk with a mix with his energy Um, so once you get it you got it and that's one thing about the same which is why I feel like I don't want to give him a Jita because you know, I want I want to have an adventure I want super to have him go off and not have a fight where he gets beat up But an adventure where he grows and wins and when something come back with something I go who doesn't have that's what I want So You know those are our topics those are things for Dragon Ball I would I'm gonna touch on the real like takeaways and Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball universe.

I feel like one of the things about that show is that Well before I get to that. Let me let me let's do the week of the week is the effort all right who's yours? My week of the week for the Dragon Ball universe is Yang Cha. I just I personally just feel like Yang Cha has always been You know just useless Even from Dragon Ball like even from Dragon Ball.

He was useless in Dragon Ball He's just always been a very useless character. Tien got more love Tien was more like, you know, like dependable than Yang Cha Yang Cha has always just popped in and what he where he killed one side of him and that was really all you know It was you know, he couldn't even make it pass the Sun rounds and Dragon Ball, you know, I'm saying it was just like yeah Yang Cha was kind of like Yeah, I'm sorry is this so So we could a week is a segment in which we just calm though out who we think is like the wackers the weakest character and That way and the topic we're talking about if you have a week of a week in Dogmore, please let us know it could be a deep cut like it could be someone who you're not thinking about it could be from any kind of Dogmore content the way I just let us know on social media my week of the week I gotta say when I think about it I want to say Tien because Tien like he was set up to be such a poignant character and he is but um He he has no W's he has no W's From and instead of what to be so strong like he was so strong fighting Goku that first time when he was a boy That's like they knew how to fly early on like they were the craneschooled They knew how to fly they had to out to know and we never got to know what the hell child to was or is nothing like that and He has technical power like they didn't explain that it actually and then T. T. Tazu died and then okay So now she's Tien and then I was looking back and it's like no what's happening anymore and he can do this forearm thing That's the thing I threw me off like Tien he's such a master martial artist But he it just reminds you like the scale with the way in the show That's why he's in my week of the week like yam shazis the week as do but Tien is a strong dude That's his fighting stronger as dudes like yeah like Tien's entire career is like that one moment when Krillin as Goku the punch Yeah, like it was like bro.

You could have died like for real. I don't know how you didn't die Like it's always been I always I think there's one thing where people say like oh of the um Quillen wasn't danger and like did the blood transfusion and then like then then like that's how like you got like no Grillons just a strong is gonna be on the planet He's been training with these guys for a minute He's taken some of the craziest hits and he's been revived a couple times even I think even if you're not a saying That makes you like stronger shit. Yeah, so he definitely pull his weight in yeah He's a tournament man. Yeah, they're impressed He's fought next to her andro with with insane power scaling she can fight a fly or a god if you don't know and Not so my address I'm not gonna tell my power scale is like that's the whole other episode So just enjoy the show when you watch that.

Yeah Tien bro like he did the forearm thing again and super and you're like oh You about to go got watch I'm like dang Tien like grab him bro Like you got four arms do something like you wanted to like and then he trained in these guys got their trainer with him I'm like oh these guys come on bro like yeah like what's going on I think he just if he was just like oh I'm just on a piece more on my piece it I'm like you know what that makes sense like I watched but you out here training other guys to be as strong as you and Everyone that shows up you can't beat yeah, then it's like I'm gonna train on the neck I'm like well Do you gonna beat the random guy or aren't you that showed up on the guy you got beat a boss and girl like yeah Yeah, that's the roshi strong and him yeah, that's the roshi Like in the manga master was she like for a journey for a little bit. Yeah, and didn't die Yeah, so Yours is the answer my tea and you know I think shouts you cuz he never fight to me Anyway, so we really just comic-cotted himself. Yes. That was it We had like no development about the relationship we've just thought they were just together I have a question for everyone Everyone listening and this is just my own personal question cuz I really don't know I'm is freezer a man or a woman.

I think free is an alien an alien don't have gender okay All right cuz I was very confused with that for a long time Because there's I definitely had a moment where I was like big they said he but I was like yeah That's definitely not a guy so I just know You know I think about you when you're thinking out definitely people that I like reason that are great So now I was like oh, okay, it makes sense like I get it is what you technically the first trainee We don't know like it's like we don't know what this ain't office a lot. Yeah, he did Makeup you went full nude. Yeah You know we never looked at it from that perspective that's just you know down tall other people call them monkeys I don't know what they look like that with the war You would kill it again. Yeah, yeah That could have been a lot of arguments there.

Yeah, I'm just saying that doesn't mean he wasn't a space wool lord We're just saying that like he could have been on some like anyone's welcome kind of shit because they were very definitive and cooler and Yeah, they were really cold like they made every clap They were guys like they did they mentioned it cuz they always mention his body's name So like yeah, he was like but well cooler after the stinky like a male and so did his father he definitely did say brother though When yeah, I know cool it when cooler when when Frieza was killed he said something my brother right? I just I think that was happening that it's like it's like the making is like there are no women Yeah, I think it's like that. I think that's what's going on with that because I'm not why would every race like why would like I know the same street I'm like crap, but they were there we've seen them so we know that that happened They're not just making things that would clay in the ground So but a lot of alien races don't seem to have like the same kind of people and I do like hard on though They just make alien is not male if he mostly don't have to worry about that kind of stuff Zarbon Zarbon actually falls inside category to yeah, you know, you know, you know, maybe that was their way of introducing gender neutral People because it's just like it's 2018 now So you just notice it more and more shows like, you know, if you watch both wrong if you watch like almost any kind of show Like there's gonna be someone in there that like like plays, you know That it's not conforming to like what the 50s thought was the standards of like attraction and and I don't know if it's If it's in being injected into every show if it's always been I think it's always been there Just I wasn't always as in your face because that then you couldn't have two people kissing that people didn't agree with On TV on television animated but now you could and that you know, I think that just I don't mind it I just feel like I feel like I see a lot more often now as like a point of like, oh, yeah Take a look at this and I'm like they don't really do that for like other things Yeah, so but I mean I'm not knocking out is for like if you want to make it point something like I'm a watch Yeah, you watch it. You watch it.

You see it now. I'm just gonna say that and that like they did that and it but it kind of Really build up they kind of see it but they really build up to it and it kind of like just kind of did it and But I started at I still really like to show I still think it's a fun show and I do if you don't understand why they bought it's American first You just gotta watch it or and not gonna say the things like I said earlier the things that kept the show alive like drag Mostly abridged on dragmo AF dragmo most DBZ multi-person comic like there are people out here that I dedicated to like Jackmo AF has been around since before dragmo's even like was over. Yeah, and Dogmo epsilon that's asked you pretty nice. I don't know where to go Because I even changed the story based on everything that's coming out.

Yeah, so a lot of things I have parity serious Continuations ideas that I think dragmo has used to keep their IP alive in terms of video games because now we have this universe I came up and all the plot I think they're telling stories now But I don't have it make anime's about them. Yeah, and I think that's great. Yeah, I'll definitely say For any like Dragon Ball the universe fans definitely check out Dragon Ball multi-person comic. Yeah, I'm actually really really tight I feel like that's what you guys universe from It's really tight.

It's basically a bunch of different versions of Dragon Ball the universe is in Dragon Ball Z that have a 20 minutes Tight you gotta watch it. I mean that's kind of like what they wanted to do It's a more in line version of what would have happened with the universe Survival arc right yeah, we're as opposed to having Universes where people are like because there's a thing about that right? You can have it different universe and then you select people who are the strongest in that universe fair enough But why does every universe have different people that's the strongest people right like if things are the same in every universe? That's why we have things in on the universe they're there right so you're gonna tell me that like say this in universe Like they're not gonna be the strongest being the universe yes They are but a lot of I guess a lot of times things were never able to meet the full potential of a life doubt question is how that happened because DBZ multiverse exposed out there like okay It makes much sense the alternate burdens of people that you know which makes it fun That's what makes it fun because you get to see different types of people didn't pick a lot of the potatoes What if scenarios play out in class?

You're not a random wolf pack tribe and then a random like is okay Well yeah cool more random aliens that I can draw but I don't want to see a fajita fight the perform for you I want to see a birdie to find night I want to see a big though and it's like just look at the busy multiverse I think they drop like a page what every week every month every week is going on for a long time and the narrative is great And they take a lot of time to draw as closely as they can to their original show artwork And that is probably the most amazing part of it if you watch on the show that's funny stuff I would say start team four star new to or only to go team for us.com watch the black mostly a bridge series and all the movies If you love the show as much as we do and know anything about any of the lore is basically just taking that and pushing it to show form And kind of recasting the characters to be more invasive of how we envision him like Goku is not a smart person He's smart at fighting but that's it so in that show you get to see him be not smart Pick a little things more stern you see him be more stern but you just more of an asshole like he's way more Renazzo, but it's in line with what you think would happen and he used to be like a really savage in that time I know he got a little more gentle He's still an asshole and go home in that show it gets to address a lot of the issues that we talked about in the show It's basically like I said taken what we talk about and putting it into the show saying go Han does have some issue with it that go Han does have some issue with how he's raised like he does he sees that in Goats and he does have a little some problem with that stuff and he talks about it and I'm like yeah Yeah, it's just like it's an old to the show. It's like watching What's that show? Come and build fighters like they just they call back to all the old shows before it I think it's really enjoyable So just those things I kept the show alive and got it super and and now they're starting to fold in all of the movies now I wish it's great because they should be doing it now It's 2018 you should not be making movies that are outside the cannon anymore Like you definitely can make it fit my hero catamator did it wonderfully So and I'm not even mad at the whole let's make a movie and enroll it into the show differently Barretrooted to that and it worked out with a way to flush it out more So I think it's great. I wonder if they're gonna do it broadly because the animation's so different I don't know But we do know what's canon meaning that he'll be in the show when it comes back there so Every week at the end of the episode we do a theme of the week and For the topic we're talking about today and the theme today I feel is being insatiable after people that don't know insatiable means it means always wanting more and never feeling satisfied That was one thing I took from the Jack Moill universe with Characters like Goku which everyone it's all over the place that they were always constantly always trying to make themselves better Oh worse and always you know as much as possible and Never being satisfied with what they had already attained you know being the strongest You know and I think that one thing about Dragon Ball Z was always learning yourself I thought that was really really amazing that they were very that they touched on this and they kept bringing this back home and Knowing yourself and how self-confidence ways into how you perform and how you I'm I only think that you do when they give a credit how come and have his mind set in his mind because of him dying and Putting a little bit of a freezer he could not he cannot pass his potential because he kept he kept having this loop in his head That he was too weak, you know and then he broke past that very I became a very strong character again I'm saying people go on I just feel like I think that's one of the dopest things about that show It really challenges you as human being to want to be a better person constantly and never settling for where you are In your life, there are a lot of words in the yelling Like all the things that we want the character to say when they yell before that What the same he like oh and go on screen going to the things we play he was like why am I fighting in this one attack?

Like like you know like what's going on in the end But it's like Frieza wanted to conquer the universe you wanted more so wanted to be the best in the powerful body universe He wanted more who wanted to have everything he wanted more so he went to villains like raditz We wanted more in his own way, but he just wasn't up to par to claim it Everyone in a certain level on certain level wants more of something and they're gonna go for that whether it's more loyalty or more servitude or more adoration or more power or Just the ability to like go how when it is his normal life I'll eat Chi Chi one of his normal life and didn't give up on that Which is why he kept containing why there wasn't great I'm gonna go to school and then go house which gives us that you know what I have a family I need to step up and send that hunger for more calls and to go back to yeah And retrain himself and pick a little nervous our training and I he was almost a week a week Because I just feel like he should have been stronger, but you can't make everyone straight strong Yeah, and it's like what else can I know he's always held this on but that's but I'm only saying I'm because he'd be Multiverse like there's a scenario in that was like oh that'd be great But it's not gonna get it so people wanted to happen during the universe art. Yeah, it's not happen But yeah, like everyone wanted more and I think in your life It doesn't mean that people are unhappy you can you can be cool where you're at But still want more and I think that the show always shows that like people like go home It was at peace go who had peace they wanted peace But they was a little impeded was at peace too But he just he didn't grow up in that environment and a lot of us feel like he didn't grow up in a peaceful environment But it doesn't mean we have to live life like we're all ready for something Go goku dislike the train because he liked it Because that's what he liked to do but if he didn't I'm pretty sure that he would still be so just kind of Way to do it. It went through a time chamber to get ready like they did that so I think that knowing what you can do And knowing your limits and then so you can break past them That's like the number one goal is you like one more out of yourself like I would think that what you're doing is the best you can do and that's one thing that I've taken that for me personally I've taken into my own personal life is to never settle and to always think that I can make it better make myself better and be better And you never stop growing and I just wanted to say that one of the strongest characters in Dragon Ball He was gering and this guy was literally just meditating with himself for like a decade So into him to be the strongest character in the entire universe in all the universes You know I'm saying that's what I show you like he mastered himself He had this so absolute knowing of himself made him the strongest character in the you know When you know yourself you can do things with a glare Which is exactly what he was able to do like your presence can move things like him going into meditative state like shifted everything Like yep, that's a knowledge of self not it was based around and with tragedy But um, but again a lot of Dragon Ball is based based on what you do with that and then he can't channeled it into an insane amount of power Yeah, so after that commit comming those to I commend I commend make it work Windows I mean those sorry for that and always teaching us something even in spite of making your entertainers at the same time So, um, thank you for listening today. Thank you for Joining us on casual nerd them We will be back next week with another dope topic on the dope episode This is casual nerd them.

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