Cavemen With Fire: Governing the AI Agent Fleet ft. Logan Kelly

Everyone's shipping agents. Almost nobody is asking what happens when a hundred of them go off the rails at 100% utilization while a customer is on the other end. Logan Kelly — CEO of Waxell and a guy who's been punched in the face by real-world sales operations — joins us to argue that a dashboard isn't governance, it's an autopsy, and that most teams are "cavemen playing with fire, hoping there's a bucket of water somewhere." We get into why governance actually *accelerates* agent development (brakes make F1 cars faster, not slower), why the real competitive fight isn't OpenAI vs. Anthropic but governing your entire agent fleet across providers, and why vibe-coded production apps are the next wave of preventable disasters. If you're building, deploying, or betting your company on agents, this is the conversation you can't afford to skip.