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EPISODE · Mar 17, 2026 · 49 MIN

Challenging the "Rules" of Law with Jen Lee

from The LEI'D Back Life: Loving Entrepreneurship and Improving Daily · host Lawyer with a Life - Jordan Ostroff

"Lawyers think creativity is for actors and theater majors—they're wrong."In this episode of The Lei’d Back Life, host Jordan Ostroff sits down with Jen Lee, the bankruptcy nerd turned "Rebel Esquire," to discuss the power of professional disruption. If you’re tired of the 1980s-style firm management and want a better way to run your practice, Jen is here to show you how to turn off your "lawyer brain" and start thinking like an entrepreneur.Timestamps:(0:00) - Introduction to Jen Lee, the "Rebel Esquire."(1:32) - How Jordan used ChatGPT to find the perfect guest.(2:46) - Why creativity is actually about being memorable.(4:26) - The myth of "Customer Service" as a differentiator.(5:40) - Meet Bernadette: The literal elephant in the bankruptcy room.(6:31) - Evolving from suits to Hawaiian shirts: The power of authenticity.(8:36) - Standing out on a budget (The $80 pizza taste test).(10:19) - Identifying your "Superpower" and what makes you light up.(13:51) - How to make a CLE actually interesting (with Jeopardy music).(16:26) - Why "working harder" is a backwards way to look at value.(18:43) - Why Private Equity is ignoring billable-hour firms.(23:21) - The future of AI: Getting referrals from Large Language Models.Resources for Your Firm:🔗 Next Move: https://linktr.ee/LawyerWithALife📂 Free Resources: https://jordanostroff.com/resources/📅 Consultation: https://jordanostroff.com/book-an-appointment/📰 Newsletter: https://app.lawmatics.com/forms/share/0680eb74-2022-45fe-946f-000adf894a08📚 The Book: Love Your Law Firm - https://amzn.to/4a3ziB4🌺 The Luau Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/forlawyersbylawyers🧭 Hiring Playbook: https://app.lawmatics.com/forms/share/574169e4-3db9-478e-86e0-a6ab67df6e27▶️ Watch on YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrh5y6Kzkyb3qfxys1KV_cl8u7BGooZKe🌐 Website: https://www.jordanostroff.comLove life. Love entrepreneurship. Improve daily.

"Lawyers think creativity is for actors and theater majors—they're wrong."In this episode of The Lei’d Back Life, host Jordan Ostroff sits down with Jen Lee, the bankruptcy nerd turned "Rebel Esquire," to discuss the power of professional disruption. If you’re tired of the 1980s-style firm management and want a better way to run your practice, Jen is here to show you how to turn off your "lawyer brain" and start thinking like an entrepreneur.Timestamps:(0:00) - Introduction to Jen Lee, the "Rebel Esquire."(1:32) - How Jordan used ChatGPT to find the perfect guest.(2:46) - Why creativity is actually about being memorable.(4:26) - The myth of "Customer Service" as a differentiator.(5:40) - Meet Bernadette: The literal elephant in the bankruptcy room.(6:31) - Evolving from suits to Hawaiian shirts: The power of authenticity.(8:36) - Standing out on a budget (The $80 pizza taste test).(10:19) - Identifying your "Superpower" and what makes you light up.(13:51) - How to make a CLE actually interesting (with Jeopardy music).(16:26) - Why "working harder" is a backwards way to look at value.(18:43) - Why Private Equity is ignoring billable-hour firms.(23:21) - The future of AI: Getting referrals from Large Language Models.Resources for Your Firm:🔗 Next Move: https://linktr.ee/LawyerWithALife📂 Free Resources: https://jordanostroff.com/resources/📅 Consultation: https://jordanostroff.com/book-an-appointment/📰 Newsletter: https://app.lawmatics.com/forms/share/0680eb74-2022-45fe-946f-000adf894a08📚 The Book: Love Your Law Firm - https://amzn.to/4a3ziB4🌺 The Luau Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/forlawyersbylawyers🧭 Hiring Playbook: https://app.lawmatics.com/forms/share/574169e4-3db9-478e-86e0-a6ab67df6e27▶️ Watch on YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrh5y6Kzkyb3qfxys1KV_cl8u7BGooZKe🌐 Website: https://www.jordanostroff.comLove life. Love entrepreneurship. Improve daily.

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