Changes Requires Changing - Grounding Helicopter Thinking With Pablo Berrutti

If you're listening to this you know there are difficult and interconnected challenges everywhere, and today's guest is someone who has a unique and broad perspective on these. If you've been working in the sustainability or ESG profession for a little while there is a very good chance you've heard of, listened to or read Pablo Berrutti's work and thinking. He has become an anchor of the responsible investment community through his work at Stewart Investors and also as the founder of Altiorem, to go with over 20 years in financial risk management, ESG and funds management, including time. Pablo has been at the centre of a lot of the change that this sector has undergone over the last 15 years, where he has been the Chair, Deputy Chair and Director at the Responsible Investment Association of Australia, as well as leading roles with the Investor Group on Climate Change and The Australian Sustainable Finance Institute.This conversation starts with discussing the 2.0 launch of his not for profit Altiorem - an online library for sustainable finance and responsible investment professionals that is playing the important role of helping to address the significant capability gap that now exists in both technical knowledge - things like climate science, drivers and impacts of human trafficking and what that means for investors, reporting disclosure standards - needed to support decision making in the financial services industry, as well as materials that help broaden horizons and understanding of scenarios where trade-offs and judgement are required. We then shift more into the day to day ups and downs of life attempting to drive this work within the existing financial system paradigm, and the philosophies and beliefs that can seem so impervious to the myriad crisis our societies and economies face.I've known Pablo for a number of years now and like every other time I've spent time with him, I came away from this conversation both more understanding and educated, but also grounded and contemplative about my role and ability to use principles of healthy relationships and the critical necessity of these to organise, coordinate and drive collective action in a meaningful way. I'm reminded that all actions - large and small - do play a role too, but at the heart of all of this is the way by which I treat others and the opportunities that do arise when I am open and have the willingness to be of service.I found this conversation a delight, and I hope you do too.Production, graphic and social media support comes from the wonderful Rob Rogers. I could;dn't do this without his expertise and generous support.Thank you for tuning in today, I don't take your time for granted. If you'd like to support the Finding Nature podcast, the best and easiest thing you can do is subscribe to the show, offer a rating, share it on social media or with friends and colleagues. We have a bunch of events coming up and the best place to find more information on those at the moment is to head to the Finding Nature LinkedIn and Instagram pages. I'm working away at a proper digital home so bear with me as I get that organised and live.I hope you have a great rest of your day.Send me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram