Chapter 81: Dave Eggers on surreptitious spying in the snares of surveillance

I discovered Dave Eggers in the late 90s when the Internet was all belts and pinions and the only two comedy websites that I remember reading were The Onion and McSweeney's. The Onion's site was the notorious outcropping of a campus comedy newspaper from Wisconsin and McSweeney's was founded by a publishing dynamo Whiz Kid named Dave Eggers who'd worked at places like Wired and Might Magazine, which he'd cofounded out in San Francisco. In 2000 Dave's 'anti-memoir' A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius came out and, no big deal, was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. I loved the book and the seemingly endless creative fireworks Dave was capable of producing. What happened in the twenty years since? Well today Dave Eggers is one of the most celebrated writers in the world — he's written bestsellers like The Circle, A Hologram For The King, Zeitoun and won or been nominated for endless awards including the TED Prize, The Salon Book Award, Time's 100 Most Influential People, The National Book Critics Circle Award, the International Dublin Literary Award, and the list goes on. Dave is also co-founder of 826 National which is a non-profit dedicated to tutoring and helping students age 6 - 18 with writing. (The organization helps over 100,000 students a year.) Oh, and Dave's written screenplays like Away We Go, together with his wife Vendela Vida, and The Wild Things, the Spike Jonze-directed adaptation of Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice Sendak. Is that it? No! He's also a painter. His art has been exhibited at The Museum of Contemporary Art in Detroit, The Nevada Museum of Art, The Biennial of the Americas and many other art galleries around the world. More recently, his training as an artist was put to use in a fabulously quirky book called Ungrateful Mammals. His latest book The Museum of Rain is about to release. I read it and loved it and was so excited to talk to him about it. He called in from a landline for our chat because he is known for being off the grid. No wifi and no smartphone! I was nervous and, to help the interview along, I completely mismanaged my time, so the whole thing may or may not dissolve into complete disarray by the end. But we somehow still managed to discuss: spying, life without smart phones, the ethics of Alexa, how to get boys to read, cheering for the underdog, the problem with Rotten Tomatoes, the joys of old old laptops, the tradeoff between convenience and surveillance, making art in an algorithmic society, and of course the incredible Dave Eggers' three most formative books… Let's flip the page into Chapter 81 now … What You'll Learn: What are the trade-offs between surveillance and convenience? Why do we give away our privacy so easily? How do we figure out which companies to trust? How can we help kids find their way to books on their terms? How do we carve out mental space for ourselves? How do we make art and ignore the algorithm?  How do we consume art? What is particular about the podcast art form? How does great art shine in today's shallow world? What is the problem with Rotten Tomatoes? And much, much, more You can find show notes and more information by clicking here: https://www.3books.co/chapters/81  Leave us a voicemail. Your message may be included in a future episode: 1-833-READ-A-LOT. Sign up to receive podcast updates here: https://www.3books.co/email-list  3 Books is a completely insane and totally epic 22-year-long quest to uncover and discuss the 1000 most formative books in the world. Each chapter discusses the 3 most formative books of an inspiring person. Sample guests include: Brené Brown, David Sedaris, Malcolm Gladwell, George Saunders, Angie Thomas, Daniels, Cheryl Strayed, Rich Roll, Soyoung the Variety Store Owner, Derek the Hype Man, Kevin the Bookseller, Vishwas the Uber Driver, Roxane Gay, David Mitchell, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, Mark Manson, Seth Godin, Judy Blume, and Quentin Tarantino. 3 Books is published on the lunar calendar with each of the 333 chapters dropped on the exact minute of every single full moon all the way up to April 26, 2040. 3 Books is an Apple "Best Of" award-winning show and is 100% non-profit with no ads, no sponsors, no commercials, and no interruptions. 3 Books has 3 clubs including the End of the Podcast Club, the Cover to Cover Club, and the Secret Club, which operates entirely through the mail and is only accessible by calling 1-833-READ-A-LOT. Each chapter is hosted by Neil Pasricha, New York Times bestselling author of 'The Happiness Equation', 'Two-Minute Mornings', and 'The Book of Awesome.' For more info check out: https://www.3books.co