He was like, I walked and naked into Fort Mine. The speed limit is reduced in school zones. Should pedophiles be forced to drive fast? Skim cell research as an effort to- For a line that's not in the view.
You have eight Emmys, but Emmys is a young girl's name. Do you feel conflicted? When are you going to investigate the judges on Tollers and Tierra? That guy, Pepperoni Pizza.
What's up everybody? Welcome to flagrant2, this is your boy Schulte. I got Akash Singh in the building, Alex Media, Mark Gagnon. Hello.
The truffle and a very special guest. Okay, I need to give you all the credit that you deserve here. Very, very special guest. Eight time Emmys award winner.
Woo. Thank you, thank you. Clap that up. The preeminent pedophile hunter of the world, I would say.
Yeah. Host of one of the most iconic shows in history to catch a predator. Mm-hmm. TikTok's worst nightmare.
Wow. Taking them down. We have Chris Hanson. Hey.
Hey, welcome to the show. Welcome to the flagrant2. I have a question for you. We have to start off with this.
Are you alive? I am alive. I heard rumors about that. I lie.
Alex Jones, but I'm here to tell you I am alive. We had another credible journalist here last week. Alex Jones. And he said that you were dead, that you got blown up in a car.
No. I've come close a few times getting blown up. Really? What happened?
Well, I'll just, you know, a couple of close calls here and they're flying or being overseas or doing different stories. I want to know about this. I thought we were going to talk about Kid Diggling, but this is really it. You almost got blown up overseas?
No, I guess more in the bigger picture of things. You know, I always worry about, you know, some of the assignments we've had in India or China or West Africa. I'm scared going in India. It's a lovely place, but you never know.
And what worries me most, honestly, is the fact that when you're over there, no, no, no, no, no, it's getting into an auto accident. We literally were in India doing a story on human drug trials and we took the recipe for a banned drug in the United States linked to heart attacks and strokes. And we got a company to make it in India showing a gap in the safety net for pharmaceutical United States. So we're coming back from this very intense day where we were undercover at a pharmaceutical testing company.
Yeah. I exposed the fact that we weren't really businessmen, that we were journalists. I was Chris Hansen and they detained us for six hours and it all rolled into the local police station. We finally got it all done.
It was very tense. And all we wanted to do is get back to the hotel and on the way back, the driver wasn't paying attention and drove the SUV up onto a median, like one of the skinny, you know, we're in the near omnivod in the state of Gujarat. And so it was teetering like this. That's not going to drop these out.
Right. Right. Birthplace of Gandhi. Yeah, yeah.
Is that right? So the car is teetering like this. Yeah. He can't get off.
Now the other truck has gone ahead of us. So now we're there in a small village. How many people riding on top of the car? No people on top of the car was just us, but the entire community came out to try to get the SUV off of the median.
And then the police officer came out with the stick and was beating the people trying to help us. Yeah, that stick. You know, the lead car and they came back and got us and we were never so happy to get a cold, cold beer. Now you got arrested in India though, right?
We were detained by security at this company and we talked our way into resolving it at the police station. Okay. Did you have to? We did not.
The same. We did not. The public. Yeah.
Anyway, we, you know, the $12 year. Two is credit. The inspector of the local police precinct said, why are you here? Yeah.
There's no law against these guys using hidden cameras and everybody kind of shrugged their heads and they didn't know that we had all the hidden cameras. They just knew that we had taken cameras out. Right. So we were going to have a little show.
Yeah. We'll share it. We'll give you a copy. So you know that we do the proper honesty with it and we couldn't get out of the country fast enough.
So we were going after that. When you watch like prank shows, is that just not exciting? Like the stakes too low? Like, oh, his girlfriend was watching.
I did a funny, funny prank show with David Spade once. Okay. On his, uh, his little comedy show and he was double. No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, I have a huge respect. I have a huge respect for David Spade and Paul. And he was doing that because most of the stuff I do is, you know, quite dark and serious. So when I can have a little fun and show us what I can.
And I was a double reverse. So they had the ruse was this poor guy. Yeah. This poor guy who told that he was going to out this girl who's catfishing online.
Right. So they send him in with a backpack and he's supposed to confront this young woman who's scamming all these guys. Right. So he comes in to do that.
She says, I'll be right back. I'll, uh, catch up at her. And I walk out and I said, have a seat right over there. Oh, no, the producer sent me.
Oh, my, my, my, my show. And this guy is just, he doesn't know what to death. He's coming after me because he thinks he's trapped now and I was getting a fist fight, but it was hit. You know, this is, I got a great prank for you.
You just got to be the host at a restaurant. I'm going to have a seat. You want to have a seat. Have a seat.
I'm going to have a seat. Pepperoni pizza. You know, if he was a host at Common Pizza, we're all going to vote. We'll vote.
We'll vote. We'll vote. Yeah. It'll be a hundred percent fine.
You heard about all this rumors. I kind of feel it really took off once you were. You were the guy. Well, I think in terms of like mainstream, like we were all watching it.
We were watching you, but then the internet took hold of becoming, you know, Chris Hanson. Right. Yeah. What the wimp of lost wins were to be.
Yeah. Which I got into that bit. Fun, please. One of the kids.
Yeah. I think, look, we got into something that we knew was an issue. We'd heard the anecdotal stories that were very disturbing. Kids getting hurt, but until we actually infiltrated it in the way that we did using enterprising techniques, people didn't really get it.
You know, my mantra has always been in whatever story that I'm doing, whatever show is to take people on a journey of discovery, see things they wouldn't normally see and hear things they wouldn't normally hear. And that's what we did. It was 17 years ago, last month that we did the first pettiturant. Mind bomb.
Were you shitting your purse? Absolutely. I'm already doing it. Every time I'd watch, right?
Because I went back to YouTube and I watched with Bunchwees and you were coming on today. And I was like, I just got to understand what the show was. And the shows would be like an hour long, right? Yeah, typically it started as a segment on day like then it grew into its own thing, right?
So I watched an hour of it. The segments are like seven minutes. Right. I mean, you must have caught like 10,000 petafiles or something like that.
I was baffled how many petafiles were you going to run out? 400, no, I think so. I think so. I think so.
I thought that I was like, it's not security. Yeah. It's not security. It's like Pokemon.
He's got to catch them all. He is. They were Pokemon. In the beginning, we merely had decoys posing as children in chat rooms on AOL.
Who casted those? That's the question I had. Can I have a seat with you? Maybe like, you know, between your own bodies.
An online watchdog group called Perverted Justice. Yeah. And before we got involved, that group would really go online and when they had somebody set up a date for sex with a child, they would post their picture and their identity on their website. And I found out about it.
I said, well, wouldn't it be interesting if we could use our ability to wire a house or a house with hidden cameras and microphones to combine that with Perverted Justice's ability to go online posing as children. And I'm driving out to the first location in 2004 at the Page Long Island. I'm thinking, geez, what if nobody shows up? What if I've just wasted tens of thousands of dollars of the network's money?
And with that, the producer called and said, where the hell are you? Two guys are getting ready to show up in 45 minutes. We get there and it was the guy's minute. Wait, hold on.
You were worried about that? They were winning show up? Yes. What?
I'm going to stab you or something like that. Well, that came later. Yeah, what did you show up and you shift your focus to the next most important thing. I mean, was I really worried I was going to get fired or anything?
But it was all built on the premise of people were going to show up and have something to show, to expose, to use as an example to teach people about the dangers online. And in two and a half days in that first investigation, 17 guys showed up. Oh, yeah. I was like a Jordan Drop.
But it's interesting. The 12s. You know, we do this podcast, Pediatricers I've caught. So I'm back and look at the previous cases and to relive them and to watch these things and go back and figure out where these guys are and what's happened to them since then.
It just takes me right back to this. So what was interesting about the first couple episodes I was listening to another podcast or something you said you didn't arrest them. No cops. Yeah.
Well, unsatisfying ending. That's why we changed up. So in the first two investigations, we just went out and did it. Now the law enforcement in those communities did make some prosecutions after the fact, but it was after that second investigation outside of Washington, D.C.
and Herdon, in Virginia that we were contacted by the Riverside County Sheriff's. Yeah. They said, well, we'd like to partner and parallel with you. And I took some heat for that from the traditional, you know, journalism community for working too closely with police, but I was willing to take that heat because I thought it was the only socially responsible.
Yeah. Yeah. What about a journalist? No.
Yeah. And crap them like that coming from it, but I did take some heat for it. And also from just a pure television production standpoint, it was very unsatisfying, as you just said, to watch these guys come in, mean, you know, knock them around and interrogate them and then just have them walk down the street, twirling an umbrella. I mean, what's up with that?
Mm. Now there's a couple episodes that I was watching. One is it is, it's dark. I mean, I'm pretty dark in terms of my sense of humor.
So it made me laugh. I was with you. Okay. Good.
Please tell me the same. This is one of the funniest things that have ever seen what happened on TV is when the guys started eating pizza. Oh my God. I don't know how you didn't laugh.
I don't know how you didn't laugh. When the guy goes, do you want a slice? No. I'm good, thank you.
I'm good. So, yeah, you can't look at the company. First of all, number one, I would have absolutely taken a slice because that pizza had to be so fucking good that that guy knew his life was over and he still took a bite of pizza. I don't know where that pizza was from.
Where is it? Ama pizza? No, it's Connecticut. It was Planet Pizza.
Wow. Did you go back? Where you like I got to see what this is like? Well, keto.
It's a chain. In fact, my oldest son was working on that as one of the camera operators and he works in the business. And he wanted to sign up and get some pizza and the predator did. Jeff Sokel.
Yeah. He's from Boston. He's a 13 year old girl soon to be wife. He had a marriage card.
Yeah, yeah. So, I yell over to my son. He said, what's the best pizza place? You know, he said, well, it's time to plan it.
It's great. So we sent him and so the fearful police were right there watching him go in. He had the pizza come out. So we knew, okay, he's eight minutes away and here comes Jeff Sokel with the pizza.
And he was among the creepier. Wow. It was all like unfazed by all of you. Yeah.
And I'm sure some of it was, you know what a petafile caught, but I mean, still, the balls of this guy. I know who you are as a pedophile. He's disrespectful. Like, how fucking arrogant are you?
You're out here trying to fuck his and what you can think about? Yeah. Did he have you a little convinced that like he might be able to get off? No.
Not when he took the bite of the pizza and the cheese was all fallen, but he made sure to scoop up the cheese for the bite. He was just buying time. You think that's what it was? He had me convinced almost.
Like if I was in your position, I'd be like, maybe we got the wrong guy. This guy's eating. I can't even eat before I do stand up. This guy's going to prison for 20 years.
Yeah. Yeah. He was a piece of work. And then in his car, they found the marriage contract.
And the Viagra. Oh, yeah. You described quite funny. Yeah.
You didn't say Viagra. Like, there's a pill in the car that you might have to go to the doctor if you were wrecked more than four hours. Just like the last one. Are you on?
Are you on any of the performance in hand? Not at the moment. Not at the moment. Thank God.
Just coffee. Yeah. Big supporters of the PEDs. Sure.
Yeah. Big, big, big time on this show. That's a good sponsor to him. It is one of the sponsors.
Not during this day. Take a break for a second. It's an episode you know what? It doesn't take a break.
Blue chute. OK. So you have all these moments with these people. What I was shocked about when I went back to watch is one how obedient they are when they see you.
And I'm curious, they meaning the like a pedophile. Sorry. So it's like with the predators, right? So when they first see you, there's a couple of things that look to be going to their mind.
One is, oh, is this a gang bang or something like that? Like they don't immediately go, are you the dad? They're like, wait, who are you? But they're not terrified and run out.
They're kind of calm. Well, they're stunned. Some freak out. Some, obviously, especially the beginning thought I was at our cop or the mad father.
And then as we moved into the second, third, fourth investigation, it became clear that they knew who I was right from the get. Immediately. And we had a guy, for instance, in New Jersey on the shore in Mandalookan who said, oh, you're Chris Hanson. And I said, how did you know that?
Because I watched the show all the time when I miss him. I watched him on the end. Did you even understand the trouble that you just walked into? Yeah.
And he was happy to be on the show. What? Do you think some of them want to get caught? And that's why they're there.
I think some are relieved. You know, we revisited a case from Ohio, a fellow who's a teacher in his mid 20s who came in and, you know, took a while to get him to fess up. And I think he knew who I was right from the get go. He had seen some of the shows.
And obviously teachers talk about that in school. And he finally breaks and you can see this moment where he caves and he said, you know, I kept online doing these chats and I knew they're racing. I knew they're sometimes inappropriate. And I got older and the people with whom I was chatting stayed the same or got younger.
I just didn't get out. I'm actually not. And I think, you know, people always say, what do these guys have in common? And the answer is white.
They don't know. There's that. That's true. They don't stay out of a crowd.
It could be the guy they look at you in the, you know, dry cleaning line on a Saturday morning. Yeah. And I said, they're all white. There was an ending guy on their ones.
And my mom called me and she was like, there was an Indian on a catcher predator. You need to be careful online. I was like, what are you going to do? What do you want?
What the fuck? He was from Trinidad, actually. Oh, that makes sense. I'm crazy.
He's in the tree. He's in the 85. He was like, I walked in naked into Fort Myers. He walked in naked into the house.
Wait, to your into the sting house. So you saw him? Was he? Oh, yeah, it's hard to miss.
I mean, this guy comes in. So we're in the back room. We're in this huge. You think and you're going to surprise him.
What the fuck? I need to take a seat. The different decoys play different sorts of roles. Yeah.
Some are very conservative and shy. Some are a little bit racy, but not, you know, they always follow the protocol. Just to clarify, the decoy you want to explain to the people. The decoy is actually an adult.
They hire an adult who is not like a young girl. It's not like a young girl. Like a young girl. Like a young girl.
Yeah. Like a young girl. Like an actor usually. Sometimes.
Well, it's two sets of decoys. So they're the ones who are online doing the work. Right. And then they're the ones who are on site.
Yeah. So typically the ones on site are, as you say, kids who are 19, 20, 20 years old who look younger like a young girl. And they're like, you know, college students in theater. Can we just say one thing?
Sure. If you pull into a house to meet a girl and she's just doing laundry. It's over. That's before you.
If there's tea on a counter. And there's laundry. You just got to turn around. I mean, you got to go to jail.
Obviously, if you don't know why I'm teaching them how to get away with it. The cops are waiting from outside. Yeah. There's no way out there.
You know what's kind of sad is if you're one of those local theater kids and that's the best role you've ever had. That's the biggest role that they made it. You've made it. You've made it.
You've made it. You've made it. But I would what stuns me is, you know, 17 years into it. You know, we're back out there doing them again.
And we're talking we have them on the YouTube channel. I have a seat with Chris Hanson. And then we're talking a couple of different networks now and putting it another show together. But there we are in Michigan.
Genesee County Mission. And after all this, all the publicity, all the shows that have knocked it off, all the amateurs out there trying to do it. Again, we have a Michigan State prison guy shows up. We have a guy who was a cop in Lebanon.
We have an auto engineer and a guy who did contracting work in the governor's mansion. All surface in the most recent investigation. most recent investigation just a month and a half ago. You graduated from Michigan State.
I sure did. That's got to be uncomfortable. I was in Magic Johnson's class, actually. Really?
I believe after sophomore year in the million dollars a year at the Lakers, I stayed for 4.75 an hour in radio. It all worked out. It all worked out. I actually see him occasionally at Michigan State.
I've already the best. He's a wonderful guy. So you there you're starting radio? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, in 1981. Michigan State Radio Network. I was like, those days, if you're too stupid to realize there was anything you couldn't do, nobody was there to stop you. I was like, I grew up a mile and a half from where Hoffa was last seen.
I was zoomily kidnapped. I'm getting fascinated with that story. So I used to ride my bike up there and check it out. Anybody listening to me, Hoffa, is the subject of the movie, The Irishman.
Exactly. And this is a legendary leader who disappeared. To this day, no one has a real idea of who killed him. Well, it was mob-related.
Yeah, I'm not going to back into it. But there are a number of stories, including the scenario that's put out there in The Irishman. So anyway, when I went up to college, I just volunteered at the radio station. And one thing led to another.
And I'm in television my senior year for $4.99 an hour. How old are you? I'm 61. You look phenomenal.
Great. Great for a white 61. But my father, it's just so funny when you said it, like you just got a job on television. That's basically how it worked.
I was living in a fernie house. And I got back from the mud football game. And there was a note we didn't have anything but pink message pads at the fernie house. And Howard Landkor called and said, you have to be there at Monday at 9am.
OK, great. Fonda Sportkoten, a time off at land. My pops was in the army. So he was down in Baltimore.
And he just went, I guess, to the local Baltimore news station and was like, hey, are you guys hiring? They're like, yeah. And then he was just an on-air reporter. I can't say something I don't say often.
It really was great to be a white dude back then. That's amazing. I can't say something about it. It must be nice.
For Alex to be on the news, do you know what he would have to do? Something illegal. He'd be on the way. So but then he went up to New York.
And he was producing the news for NBC. And I thought you guys might have crossed paths. But I don't think you were there until 93. Right?
I think he was gone by them. Larry Schultz was his name. I don't know if you guys knew each other. I'm not actually mad.
But he was producing the news for NBC. So you guys would be in the building together if it was. But I don't know if the timing. The timing is right.
There you are. Kind of crazy, right? You could just get a job in your dream field. There was access to it.
I'm the luckiest guy in the world because it's what I was meant to do and what I love doing. And now with all these different opportunities and different new mediums in which to do them, it's really a fun time to be in this business. It's like an adventure every day because there's something new and a new way to do it. And you're virtually unlimited.
Whether it's television, whether it's the new series on Discovery Plaza or the stuff we do in digital media. What does it mean you want to do? Do you want to bring the show back to Netflix or something? We're talking a couple of different networks right now.
And we're looking at it doing it in a slightly different way. But we've got many locations set up in Michigan as I mentioned. And so we'll know in the next couple of months. Can I tell you something?
I think it's socially irresponsible that NBC ever canceled that shit. That was their reasoning. We got enough. I think the bottom line was is that it became very, very expensive for a lot of different reasons, not necessarily NBC's fault.
But there was a lot of competition to get it. ABC tried to get it. Other networks tried to get it. And in higher way, people involved in the production of it.
And so the production caused ballooned. And I think at some level, they said, you know, we can make a ton of money repackaging, repurposing all this great material that some of which didn't air. We do predator raw, predator in depth. They're not too good to catch an ID thief.
Correct. And what's the other one I forget? All I remember is the stakes were considerably lower. Yeah.
From sex offenders to ID thieves. What are we doing? Yeah. And so anyway, that's why we brought it back to do the Hanson versus predator a few years ago.
And I were doing this one. But it is weird though that a network would make that decision. I think it'd be really difficult. Like, right now, it's hard for networks to cancel a show if there's a lot of minorities on it.
Right? Like if Akash gets a show and ABC, they can't cancel that show for minimum two seasons or they hate round people. That is just what it is. And I would ride that excuse to the ground.
The second you go in the office, like you're not going to do it. That's why they cancel. All the predators are white guys. There's no diversity on the show.
Now if you brought that show back, would you have to get some minority predators? It couldn't be all white. You'd need diversity. I didn't shake it up.
You get what you get. You know, interesting thing about that. I'm sorry. What the fuck are you wearing?
What was this for? He lost confidence. I just wanted to know. I'm like the fuck.
So did that outfit. But what is it? I just like it. Okay.
Back to what you're saying. I think you get whatever is in that community. If you're near a naval base, you're going to get Navy guys. If you're near Silicon Valley, you're going to get people who work in the computer industry.
If you're in one community that has, it's more diverse, that's what you're going to get. It crosses over the most part. But what you say is right, if you take a look at the 300 and some guys who have surfaced, it is predominantly white guys. Mark, I wonder, is there certain parts of the country where it's easier per se to catch and find predators?
Florida. We did two in Florida. The most we ever caught in three days was in California, actually. These things are all attached to when in the sequence of events, how long you're out there.
It could be the weather, it could be circumstances in the news that day. A lot of things are at play. Is there a place where there are more grotesque, perhaps? Like Florida?
We've seen it all over. I mean, we saw Justice grotesque in Long Island, as in California, as in Florida, as in Ohio, as in Georgia. Let me position this question to protect Mark. He's the one for a place to live.
I'm trying to stay away. I'm trying to stay away. You've been a kid and you didn't want them to be around the thirstiest pedophiles. You wouldn't avoid, let's say, California or Georgia or wherever the fuck these places are.
I think it could happen here. I think if you set it up in the middle of Montana, you'd get people shot. Really? I think the best way to protect your kids is to educate them and have an age-appropriate conversation, especially now during the pandemic.
I mean, imagine all the kids were online, how many hours they are online, and their parents are online, but they're in another room, captivated with whatever it is they have to do. And the predators know that. And we went from 17 years ago having decoys on chat rooms at AOL and Yahoo to an explosion in social media platform. And we're not just talking about TikTok.
It's anything you can imagine. And the interactive games are another area where kids can get to talk. And this is why I think not only because you're catching predators, I really think your show is important because if you're a predator, just knowing Chris Hansen could be out there, that might put some kind of governor on it. But when your show's off the air, it's like, baby, let's go.
We're out there. I mean, we're shooting again very soon. Hey, man, you hear that fucking weirdos? Ideally, you're not the ones of this show.
Yeah. Okay. So then some dude shoots himself in the head. This is a tricky one.
Texas. Because I see it as a successful episode. I know. Well, there's a dude and there was this whole settlement, there was a settlement, but here's what never really got fully reported on that.
Yeah. We had a guy who surfaced in an investigation in Texas. He was an assistant district attorney and prosecutor. Obviously that's a big deal.
He was chatting with a young boy at 13 years old. There was a solicitation in the eyes of law enforcement. He never showed up, but according to Texas law in the laws in many states, it's the solicitation online that constitutes the crime. Showing up is just the eye-samy case.
Love it. So the next day, the police go to arrest him. They knock in his door. He has an old gun that used to belong to his father.
as opposed to being arrested, he sadly shoots himself. What we don't, wasn't reported at the time initially, what we've reported since, but people don't pick up on it necessarily is that on his computer, he had multiple images of child pornography. He was trying to get that hard drive off the computer, he was unsuccessful as a police were coming in, and as an assistant district attorney, he knew that he faced up to 10 years in prison for each image that he possessed on the computer. A bunch of criminals he prosecuted.
And he's a pet of Peter, like he's gonna get full. Ah, cause he's gonna get torn apart. Do the math on that. So you can debate the merits of the lawsuit, obviously it was our position that it was meritless.
We were initially willing to go to trial. There was a settlement reached, and the reality is, if you go to trial, the news division pays for it out of its budget. If you settle it comes out of insurance, so do the math on that. Nobody really was happy about the settlement initially, but I think people involved who to become comfortable with it given the totality of the circumstances.
Yeah, I mean if he's a pet of aliens, they're killing himself then, I think we're pretty cool. I know what you're saying, but we don't want anybody to kill himself, but we want people to face justice. That's justice. I understand.
I don't wanna pay for some pet of file to get three meals a day and print a lot. I'd rather than just blow a set off. Wait, you have a question. If nothing else.
I mean doesn't Texas have the, what is it called? The Justice Chair? The Justice Chair. The Justice Chair.
I like that one. I think that's true. I'm sure somebody's fault. Yeah.
I think people have zero empathy for pet of files, as they should. I think that's why you're such a hero on the show. Well, you're casting people who beat taxes. I think a lot of us would be like, I'm gonna break Chris.
I'm gonna have to pay fucking taxes all the time. That's all you're going around chasing these people. But pet of files, people fucking love you man. Pretty black and white.
Even when they try to do hit pieces on you, because we're doing some YouTube research, all the comments are supportive of you. Yeah. You know what I mean? They'll try to show like, because you had some troubles in happening in your life, which is kind of annoying, because like what was the bounce check situation?
It was not a vent. It was a business situation. It was resolved in a day. You shouldn't have to pay for anything.
I agree. You're walking to a bar and this bud is on us. I mean that. I'm shocked.
I want to confront that guy. I want to, that guy to have a seat. The fact that a guy could call the police on you over a few hundred bucks. I don't know what it was.
You still owe the money? I'm paying that money off right now. I'm paying that off. I'm paying that off.
It's about to be an event. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I just fucking machete took Connecticut.
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Let's get back to the show. You saved that guy's kids potentially. You getting pedophiles off the streets. This guy wants to get paid for some mugs that got your name on it.
What an asshole this guy is. A complete jerk off. Do you have his name? His address?
Honestly, we owe this guy tax money. It's a job protection tax. I believe that 100% you're a hero. 100 dollars.
You shouldn't pay taxes anymore. I don't use to pay taxes. Is that the iron? You shouldn't have to pay taxes.
That's it. Well, I'll gladly catch the pedophiles and pay my fairs. We pay your taxes from now on. You can't even get your own memorabilia.
It's shocking. What the fuck? Honestly, you came to me. You're like, can you make some shirts for me?
I would love to make some shirts for you. Okay. Not in youth sizes, but I'm not in the make some shirts. Whatever the fuck you need.
Okay. I appreciate that. It was baffling to me. And then I think that I think there might have been, if I'm going to get conspiratorial, I think there might have been an organized effort to try to get you in there.
I'm just saying it. There's a powerful man in media that's attacking pedophiles and making it really cool to get pedophiles to the fuck out of it. No time for these pedophiles. Meanwhile, you got an international pedophile ring bubbling up with your boy Jeffrey Epstein.
He might have felt like you were hot on his tail. Well, you know, there's an interesting story there. Let's all go. Let's talk about it.
In about 2015-16, I had a meeting down in Florida with a group of investigators and some lawyers who were all involved in the Epstein case. Boom. So there was a lot of information there. And Epstein had served as, you know, year in and out of the county jail and was back living his life.
And the information was compelling and it was disturbing. And I tried to fashion a sting. And the security around his New York residents and around his life in general was such that it was difficult to penetrate and to figure out a way to do it. And I worked with some of the lawyers.
And before a lot of the victims had actually come forward, victims who have now come forward. And to be honest with you, it's one of my biggest journalistic regrets because we worked it, we worked it. It wasn't happening. I got busy with other stuff.
In the meantime, here in Miami, much to the papers credit, the Herald keeps pounding away and digging away and shipping away day by day, week by week. And the Herald develops relationships with these victims and ultimately the victims come forward and tell the story in the Herald. And there's no question, and the US attorney in Manhattan at the time said this when they charged up saying that if it wasn't for the Miami Herald's fine work. That case may not have been prosecuted, at least not when it was.