Christina Applegate

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Today, we have Christina Applegate. Christina Applegate is a beloved actor that I've been loving since I was a child. She was a child. She is an icon.

Mary with children, of course, the sweetest thing. Anchor and she's fucking holds her own against all the heavy weights is impressive. I got to know her personally on Bad Moms. And then of course, dead to me was so fantastic.

And she has a podcast out right now with Jamie Lindsey Alert called Messy M E S S Y capitalized on that, which we get into. We do. So check out Messy. We should say this is the third field trip.

And oh, and like three weeks, we basically have a mobile operation now. I know. It's been kind of fun. I'm resistant to it, but I like getting into a different environment.

We're not trading in that or anything. It was it was good. Yes. Yes.

So from Christina's bedroom, please enjoy Christina Applegate. He's an actress. We will make sure everything's quiet for you guys. Well, no, we're in a construction site.

If you go to my house, there's a bobcat right now in front of the house going back and forth. We were just recording. Yeah, I can hear it. My daughter will stop playing piano in a moment.

Tell her to take her time. Beautiful. All the animals will be locked up. Housekeepers will be fired.

She's going to have to stop and feel bad, but she's going to have to stop. How old is she? 13. Wow.

She's so good. She taught herself how to play piano in the last month. It freaks me out. That's crazy.

She just started playing piano in a month ago by herself. No. Yeah. You can't see it.

No. It goes down and starts playing songs. Wow. This kind of perhaps settles an argument we're having in the household.

Prison, of course, I mean, I can't hear. You can't hear it. Got the thing, Rob. Oh, boy.

All right. No, fuck Rob. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. How long are you going to say talk for?

That's the most of the cast. It's all rubbed. It's all rubbed. It's all rubbed.

Okay, that's me, Rob. Oh, I just spent all over your hair. Don't worry. Okay, now who do you need?

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The argument in our house right now, is not an argument. Of course, it's very important to her that they learn instruments and we make appointments and we take them and they don't practice and they don't want to do it. And I'm kind of the opinion, like, people who play instruments, you can't know if we kept them from playing those instruments. These kids need to grow up.

They were in their fucking room with a guitar for 12 hours, and your daughter, she's just doing it, right? Yeah, so I've lived through this because I was that mom when she was younger. She was in dance, I was a dancer. So that was the most important thing to me in the entire world was that she was a dancer.

Yes, of course. You are going to dance and soccer, piano, singing, all the things. This poor kid got so burnt out and then hated all of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then all of a sudden she didn't wanna do nothing. So I just said, okay, you're not gonna do anything. She actually was really good at dance, didn't wanna do it. She was terrible at soccer, not gonna be me a ham, not gonna happen.

I was like, we're good with that. Piano, she didn't want anything to do with it. I actually would take the lesson. The teacher would come and then she would just like, this is exactly what Christmas would be.

Fucking off and then I'd be like, no, I'm learning about it. And just recently she taught herself how to play piano. She's taking cello lessons once a week. She's in the orchestra at her school.

Instigated by her though, right? Sure, that's the difference. I had to take the talents out recently with schoolwork and stuff like that too. I was told by other moms, they're like, stop it.

Let her fail because she's 13. And I can't do that. I can't let her fail. You'll have failed, right?

If she fails. Well, yes, that ego of let's be perfect. So now she goes down basically every single night and plays piano for an hour or two and teaches herself songs. No, we just walked in and my guess would be she's like, year four of lessons every day.

I thought it was. She's never had a piano lesson, except for. The one she forced on her. At five.

Right, exactly. Now she's 13. But now she goes down, she's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She's playing on stuff and I'm like, what is happening?

It's really lovely. Yeah, it sounded like when the piano, you just put it on a setting and it just plays on its own. Oh, right, right, like an automatic piano. Oh, she sounded like a fake piano?

Yeah, that's awesome. That's the ultimate compliment. I think I'm gonna tell her that you guys said that. I think she's gonna be really, and she loves it so much because it's the one thing that she doesn't have a lesson for.

Right. But, cello is a lesson. Were you somebody that liked being instructed or did you like figuring things out on your own? I have like a nickname for my last job, which is called, no, I know, I know, I know, I know.

No, I know, I know, I know, I know. No, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I don't even, you don't even need to tell me, I know. Which has annoyed mostly the male directors that I work with, but my female for dead to me, they got me.

I would make fun of myself and I'm like, I'm sorry. They couldn't even get across the entire set. And I was like, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. Got it, checked in.

I'm super similar that way. I hate receiving instruction. Anything I know how to do, I kind of just figured out. Other than taking classes at the groundlings, they did teach me all the rules.

But my own vanity, because I'm younger, brother, maybe, do you have siblings? I have half siblings and we were not raised together. I already knew this. Let's just say it.

You know, you know, you know, you know. Well, it's just like I'm embarrassed I just asked. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just did it real time.

No house living or growing up together and we text. Yes. Oh, my heart. I have a new nephew.

He's so cute. He's so obligate. He hits like obligate nose. But then he has this amazing chin, dim.

Oh, so cute. We're not fully black. My brother and sister and I. Dad had a second family, basically, right?

That we didn't know about. We didn't know about. No, that was a joke. Oh, yeah.

What have you been so juicy? No, my dad left when I was three months old. My mom and dad separated. And then he met my mother in Big Sur in a tree.

Like at Esselen or something? That's that? No, no, no. What's the restaurant?

Vantana is the hotel. And then there's like a restaurant, I think? Vantana is like a hippie-spirit role. Yeah, she said she could feel something and she came down.

And there was this man. And she said, oh, he was scorpion. And he was like, I am. And so that was in 1971.

They're still together. That's pretty impressive. We're bearing off. Sorry.

Oh, yeah. We're all over again. Yeah, no, that's. You should listen.

Our podcast are not competing in any way. Although they both share the messiness. Messy, yes. But we're like messy.

It's not like MSC. I mean, we talk about the MSC. Oh, is that a slang for MSC? Oh my god.

Seen our logo. I did see that the S huge. And I didn't put it together. OK, but that's kind of our jam is that we don't have a plan.

OK, I feel so stupid. I didn't pick that up. And I honestly thought someone had a typo. Someone accidentally capitalized the S.

No, that was my idea to put the big M and the big S. It's good. It's me dyslexia, whatever I can name. You have so many issues.

I know. Yes. So we have a miracle in here. Miriam.

Miriam of setbacks. Oh, I have to say something to you. Sorry. I'm going to sidebar.

OK, so I'm going to start to laugh. Kristen and I, we didn't move together. And I love her. And she's amazing.

And I love you. But the first time we met, you don't even know that we met. OK, it's such a good story. OK, I can't wait.

It's not long. But I'm going to make it long because that's what I do. I pontificate. You tell stories like Kristen where she's like, I went to the grocery yesterday.

You know where I went to elementary school, right? It just keeps going back and forth. I tried to hold it back. I said to someone the other day, that's a lot of answers to questions I didn't ask.

So let's break it back down to get to the point, period dot. OK, so your beautiful wife was in hair at the Hollywood Bowl. Oh, yes. It rained, which was weird.

Not that I was there. I did not know her yet. We had not done bad moms together. And my friend, Rhett George, was in the show.

And he was the only cast member who refused to take off his clothes, which I love him for his integrity. But also I was like, come on, Rhett. You know you've got a big shawl. Anyway, let's see that big old Sazis.

So we were going backstage to see Rhett. And Kristen, you were in front of us. And you were playing security guard. And you literally shoved me into a wall.

Wait a minute. You shoved me into a wall. You're like, get back. No.

Get back. Oh, my God. There is no way I used to have to have a woman, especially you. Me and my husband, Martine.

I might have shoved your husband. No, you shoved both of us. As if I was going to try to get a piece of the cloth or clothes. It does get very protected.

But I'm not really, dude. We're going to see Rhett George. Oh, I would hate to mean. I don't want to get over yourself.

No one's trying to talk to her. We were not pleased with you. But I look fondly on it. And I laugh because you were really protective.

And that's kind of beautiful. But you were like, go, go, go. Oh, wow. If she was getting on say or something, not to say that.

She's not Beyonce. No. She's not being on say. People that need to secure Taylor Swift with those things.

But it was like the arms were going back. And I was like, fuck that, dude. Anyway, I love you though. Well, hold on though.

Before we move on. I'm, of course, having a hard time reconciling that story with my image of myself. So let's start there. But secondly, no, secondly, I'm sorry.

Truly. It's OK. I must have felt like a lot of people were trying to get her or something. And maybe I overreacted.

I laugh about it now. You know, of course, in the moment, you're like, this is just a shot. I hate me. Yeah.

No, but there was a lot of people. It was very crowded. I get tensed when there's too many people. Her dressing room was to the left, I believe.

And Rhett George was to the right. I was just trying to get to my friend, Rhett George. I didn't know you were with her. I was like, I want to get to Rhett who did not take off his clothes.

That's all I want to do. I need to get in there and tell him you should have taken off his clothes. Well, I kind of love him for not because I saw a butthole that night. Anis.

Anis? Oh, my gosh. Anis. Anis.

They were really close. We were like in the box and I was like, should have bleached that. Groamed. Yeah, no.

That was a big butthole in my face. OK, so what I know for sure is that I clearly didn't see it was you. Because obviously, I'm an enormous fan of yours. Always have been.

And I feel like we've met before that because I think I came up to you and talked about Louie. That's a fun subject. We don't need to talk about it. It just so happens that I happened to know a dude from the program that had dated you forever.

He had one time was my sponsor. He also proved to be crazy in many ways. And I felt like we could. I'm laughing that you were a sponsor.

So I thought we could bond. Maybe not be a sponsor. So when we met, I was excited. I thought we could bond over the notion that we had both been wooed by somebody.

And then perhaps maybe shouldn't have trusted the person so much. And I remember that being our first conversation, me bringing up Louie. I apologize for me thinking that was the first time. I think it's just the time that stuck out.

If so much of me, I would remember them for. Well, I remember everyone that showed. We were tired and I were like, we just got shoved physically assaulted just now by Dr. Shepherd.

I'm flatter. You didn't knew it was me. Of course. Well, your wife, I know you guys are.

You're pretty eyes. Well, then how would you rank our experience while you guys were doing bad moms? Because I'm an amort by you. I think I was shining as bright as I could to get your affections.

Oh, honey, your wife is golden. I could thank her for a lot of things, not only just being an exceptional human being, a great actress, but also what you guys did for our kids in the public. We cannot thank you enough. Wow, thank you.

I had a baby girl at that time. You're a year and a half ahead of us? Yeah. I think we have both.

I was down there in New Orleans with two little tiny ones. And I had my tiny one. Everybody was there. Milla had the baby and it was really sweet because it was a movie about moms and people always asked me, where was their inspiration for your character?

And I was like pretty much everyone at preschool. We're going there. And I'm going to expose you. That's what's happening.

And the funny thing is when Sadie ended up at her elementary school, I was on the board of it's so ironic and so gross. Like I gross myself out about this. I was on the healthy eating committee and went to every room one year to talk about the foods that we were not allowed to have in the school. And this was after the movie.

I made the connection. I was like that dick parent who was like, you know, at the birthday parties that we have here, can you please not bring sugar? I will provide vegan muffins and skewers with pineapple. Yeah, that's really funny.

You're a unicorn in that you're actually from here. That's kind of rare. Not even from here. Like within one mile radius of this house, which we will not say where it is, but I'm pretty sure people know.

Yeah, I've never lived outside of this neighborhood one mile. No, never. Did you go to that little elementary school? No.

Okay, so your mother was an actress in a dancer. She was an old dancer. Okay. Well, I blame Wikipedia.

And dad was a music producer. He was Anna. He found Billy Idol. Well, not found Billy Idol.

Gen X was Gen X, but then my dad was vice president of promotions at Casablanca. So a lot of the people that came out was like Billy Idol, Donna Summer. Did you have the coolest record collection of any kid? Yes.

And I still have them. I still have them. With the thing that says for promotion only. Yes.

They're in my garage. Oh, I would love it. Casablanca, the very coolest icon. It was like an Arabian landscape.

There was palm trees. It was very cool. I think it might be Morocco. Casablanca.

Yes. Well, of course. I just thought it was like now you're blown my mind. Okay.

I was the president of promotions at Casablanca for years. So you went on limited tapes and cassettes and shit growing up? Well, at first it was albums. But we're the same age at some point tapes were the thing.

Right, but my dad wasn't there anymore. But Sabine and I were talking about tapes today. And I said, you know what a cassette tape is? She goes, oh my God, yum, I have a cassette tape of Billy Idol.

Oh, she went on a cassette? And she goes, but I can't play it. And I said, you can. Guess what?

Your mother has a cassette player. You know what it would be great is to give her a Walkman. Oh my God. We got a rabbit hole two weeks ago thinking, you know, as a kid I really wanted this expensive Walkman with auto reverse, but we couldn't afford one.

And then you've got to like, yeah, just get ruined. It comes out. It comes out. It's just a disaster.

My whole childhood was just a disaster. It was written a book about how bad that part of my childhood is. The tape era. Yeah.

And it's a bit of a bit of a... You had a refurbishment? Yeah. And if someone did like a, what do they call them?

When you give someone that you love a thing? Mix tape. You're fucked. Oh yeah.

Once that little guy goes out and you're like, and that was your symbol of love that you're in love. Oh, aren't you delighted with the era we grew up in? Mix tapes? Are we delighted by that?

I am. I kind of like the creature comforts of not. I mean. Obviously it's not easier an easier.

But we didn't know it wasn't anything easier. We didn't know. The fact that there was auto reversed, that it was impossible. That gave me hours of my life.

Everything was getting better the whole right. We had the last cute phase of 50s childhood. And we had these tributes and stupid things. Now everything's digital, nothing really happened.

You look at changes. But we had different mediums. I was talking to someone the other day and they're like, romanticized being Jenn X. I'm like, what's happening?

What we're trying to say to this generation is, your paper cut doesn't mean shit. Right? I'm a little soft. Because when we got a paper cut, our parents were like, yeah, we're gonna go to the bar.

Have fun with that. If they were even around to complain about the paper cut, my mom was like working all day. No, I was there. I was walking home from my school with eight in the rain.

Literally, I was that guy. I walked a mile from school in the rain. That thing that people say. I legitimately was walking home.

And if I didn't get molested by the weird rock stars up in the canyon, it was a good day. Yeah, sorry, I know that's different. No, no, no, but also gonna be in the book. Also, there are eighties anymore.

I was molested. I was molested. Yeah, eighties. So tell us that you're from the eighties without saying you're from the eighties.

It's really seventies for me. I think that was when. The prime. Diddleman.

Yeah. I actually just own a nostalgic for that time by the adult peeps. Yeah. Couldn't they find some?

Oh, yeah. Any. That was fun. You acted for the first time at three months old.

Commercial. You were a baby. Yeah, commercial. I think a soap.

I can tell you exactly the rest. Can you tell me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. First was play text baby bottles at three months old.

Oh yeah. She spits up less. That's what my mom said in the commercial. She spits up less.

I think that's the case of our lives with your mom as well. Right? Same era. Same month.

Same three month old baby. Yeah, I guess we can tell exactly what the timeframe was. You're three months old and both. And then by tenure in movies.

So I'm just curious. Mom obviously acted. Is it something that back to what we were saying about trying to get your kids to do something versus they just want to do it. There's nothing you can do to stop them.

Where are you at on that spectrum when you were a little? I just had to. And then when I started making money at three years old, I started making a lot of money. I was doing radio commercials for Kmart with Josh Richmond.

Do you know Josh? He used to walk with a cane. The cane. I totally know him.

He's with everybody. Yeah. We've got a video calling for Ryan. What a blast.

He was really funny. Sorry I didn't turn my phone off. We don't care? I've never met him, but I just watched him finding your roots episode.

And I concluded we would be fast friends because he was very violent when he was younger. Then he came here, turned his whole look. He probably showed some people. Yeah.

He and I talk almost every day right now. No good. So yeah, we do it. I'm so sorry I didn't turn my phone off.

Anyway. It was funny. It was funny. It was a little— What were we talking about?

Okay. So I started doing these commercials with Josh Richmond who everyone knows. And I love him from age three to I was seven, we were called Mr and Mrs. Goofproof and Kmart started doing the photo thing, you know, get your photos done here.

The first place that ever did it, we got like Cleo words and stuff and I made a shit ton of money and my mom was like Coolio, I don't have to work anymore. Did you know that you were making a lot of money? Okay, okay, three to seven. I made so much money that my mom bought a house of investment Which we never lived in but then I ended up living in it when I was 17.

I moved out when I was 17 Into how's you don't send two or three? I live there for three years and it's behind the country store. Oh, okay So this is pre-cougan account or post. Oh, so small percentage.

I mean mom. I love you. I was the one making money You were the primary breadwinner. Yes, and have and yeah, yeah Do you have a moment that you remember it switching to something that you very much wanted to do?

I mean of course for me I really want to know that when you're on Mary with children you actually wanted to work excited maybe not okay So my brains going through a lot of visuals. I always had to do it and then when I was 13 I said to her I don't want to do this anymore. I want to hang out with my friends I want to make bad decisions. I want to do all the things and she goes okay I'll call your agent and say no and at that time I had with shave you're making some statements Oh, I had eyeliner that had crosses on it on the side like I was that guy We are both punk rockin smoking cigarettes.

Listen to the cure freaking out this mess. Yeah, yeah Love love I would have loaded with you It was all saved and then you know like a little bit of hair that was weird there's footage of it picture somewhere So she goes I'm gonna call right now, and I went upstairs a 750 square foot row house. That's where I grew up very tiny I'm sorry, New York that is mansion Qualified that no, that's a lot of room for a 13. It was a row house You had to walk through bedrooms into other bedrooms and I got really panicked and I came downstairs within like 20 minutes And I was like don't call her I'm good and from that day forward at 13 years old I have not stopped working until becoming disabled honestly go on my em did that's what I call it That's what everyone's going into the yeah I am DB for anyone who doesn't that isolate the whole mentality of this fucking business right there is like you don't want to do it The second you do it and it occurs you you might not ever get invited back you're mean like oh no But it wasn't about being invited back that was home that was your identity and it's been and that's what I'm dealing with now Taking that out of my life.

Yeah, probably not being able to work again going who am I? Yeah, I think I'd you had a child right? Oh my god She's my get up in the morning and she's my go to sleep with hope that I get up in the morning And now I'm like what am I supposed to do I've grown up on a set and that sounds creepy It sounds really child-actory, but it's not about that It's about the camaraderie and growing up and being professional and loving people and enjoying humans Well, it feels good to be good at a job any given job when you're good at it You get to go to a place and people trusted you and you deliver that's a very rewarding esteem building I was not good. I was terrible.

Go watch terrible. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no comedy I thought comedy was for douchebags. I was such a serious little 13 year old I was like no I'll have to dream And then I made a career doing this up. That's my dog barking.

That's okay That's one of two dogs that you have they agreed it Let me ask you so I'm in a different situation Which is I moved all the way across the country to be here for eight years I can we hold on yeah, we can pause because this can't okay this can't continue We can just give her to someone give her a stake covered an ambient Yeah, it seems like really friendly territory for a tiny dog up in the mountains with a coyote's run free They're on my property right now because the mudslides from the river storm thing. Yeah, half my hill came down all into my pool I know stupid people problems, but pull all the way up in mud and could come down on the house So now the fence that we had up there they just come down they can smell the animals or it is texting Rachel to see we do Have them in our yard enough that dog out. Okay. I could take out my anger against my own dogs on your dog But back to me.

Yeah, of course, you're a shiver. I'm a shiver forever known I'm a cancel after this interview, but you know what the time it wasn't like a little you didn't know you were just like good But everyone good, but I know we have to go your time out But it's so relevant we were on a plane flight the other day and there was a guy being rude to the flight attendant very in DAX I could see he was starting to spiral out about needing to protect this flight attendant as one should as you should but also There's a cheap shop, but when you watch your mom get beat up by step dads. It ain't happening on my watch. I understand It's actually something I'm working on so all the things okay, we're the same spot unlike by the way And that's a point I was about to me go ahead monochrome You had something then she cut you I know but she's entitled to okay good I was gonna say that you gave him an eye like I see you I see what you're doing he kind of stopped and then after you decide to look him up That's what I'm I'm Jason I'm Jason.

Oh, we were happy to see it was like oh fuck. Oh, I think I had moderated a panel for Amazon that night In southwest we get on the plane this guy's a fucking asshole I look at him and I'm like I see you you're a fucking dick and I'm staring at me goes Hi, and I won't answer I'm just staring a hole through it And then he goes you were so funny at the panel last night And then I went ah, then I went oh fuck he's high up at Amazon I just kind of shit the bed and piss someone off that had basically brought me out there to work So then I'm spiraling for the whole flight. He's one seat in front of us. He opens up his laptop I see his name I panically write it down and then soon as we land I look him up Thank God and you would have guessed it he's a fucking lawyer the point is you just don't know who you're dealing You don't know who you're shoving you don't know you're staring at it You just don't know I mean a bologna China I Tony award nominated after You gotta be careful out there my childhood favorites I'm gonna protect I seriously have no bone to pick with you like it just make my time and I laugh like I said Yes, she was awesome in the show You was it?

Michael Jackson That's a bad. It's not a bomb. Yes. I said Michael Jackson and I was like Oh, okay, so all is gonna say I moved here.

I'll not get a job punk was my first thing I got and I haven't had it for ten years So I have been out here begging to get hired for 30 years and this started and I retired from acting a couple years ago But for me I felt so good about that to me I was like oh my god I'm finding that begging you to like me, but I got to choose it and I think that's the only difference like I wonder if you Choose that I'm unplugging from this whole experience versus the choice was made for you The nice thing is really fascinating how the way things come in your life in the way it's frame really impacts how you can then take it Yeah, I get a pick now and I wonder if you got to pick if you be feeling kind of the elation I have which is like oh, I'm off the treadmill where I'm not worried how the last thing doesn't try no to a cripple Don't I'm sorry Well, you should give us a list of words we can't say Words that people might be precious because I do throw certain words around but I'm allowed to know yeah But I also have better parking than all of you But no, I did not want this it fucking sucks balls like Harry old saggy balls that stink with the taint just bad ball No, I didn't want to stop but in the last year it has been nice to just sleep and I haven't slept in 50 I mean whatever years how many years I've been doing this I've been in sags since 1974 So all those years I haven't slept I haven't not had to show up I haven't not had to be on and pretend you've not been contacted by a second eighty to schedule a wardrobe fitting across I enjoy it, but if I could switch the phone I'd rather not be disabled one hundred Of course, but at least you know at this point in my life I can kind of pick and choose for a minute what I would want to do if I wasn't disabled I could finish dead to me and gone like let's take six months off And then let's find something kind of cool two weeks work or six weeks work or whatever I have the ability to be able to do that after all these years I don't have that choice and I don't like not being able to have the choice of cars you don't have control No, if you know less about our business now, I don't know what movies did I don't know what shows are where I don't know what actors making All I just don't know anything. I know nothing. I don't know anyone is We did the Oscar pool which we always do every year and I haven't watched a movie in years I watch reality television because it comforts me watching actors stresses me out because I can see the reacting and then I get really mad And then I'm like yeah, but reality television. I'm like, yes, I can fall asleep to this I didn't miss anything.

Go sleep their bickering you like other bickering Traders is the best show that's ever been on television. He knows you know He knows Robin I talked for half an hour about the traders. What's the traders? That's a competition show right kind of but it's manipulative It's CD and it's cuckoo and the one in America they do with reality stars So it's like a bunch of people from Bravo and then the people from survivor But the ones outside of America are just people like a doctor and a lady who works at a chipo shop And they have to manipulate each other in order to get to the end to win this huge amount of money It's so fun.

I wearables and villagers a little bit but on TV then I've heard of it and Chris and just suggested we should watch it with the girls Yeah, people really love I also love naked and afraid and my daughter and I love naked and afraid It's a very important show to us. We sit here often. I was like I could totally do this I know what I know what a momo is I know the first thing you should do is make shoes if you're in a hot climate You know how to start fire and say he's like yeah, totally We could totally do this and then both of us looked at each other and she goes mom You're disabled you can't and I said and you have pots which is a heart condition and I was like Well, I guess neither one of us are gonna be on the show We will not realize this dream we've been Cressed if you don't alone with her or they're up in the art. Yeah, yeah, I love alone That's a good one with the answer.

She hasn't seen it, but I've watched it my husband who's a musician But his real passion is survival. He's a instructor. What oh my goodness. I shove the wrong guy We could have fucking cut my throat.

Honestly, he probably would take you down. I'm sorry But he teaches it in fact He's in Canada right now doing three to four weeks of training for other people so he's no kidding I had no idea. Oh, yeah, he could like make an igloo somewhere and live in it He'd be totally fine. How comforting I'm regular you have the fantasy where somewhere and I'm like what if she did to the fan right now?

You know, but we have a bus at home. That's why I feel safe I'm like yeah when the shit is a fan we get that bus is got a generator We're good for a few weeks figure shit out that makes me feel safe and for you You're like I live with a fucking survivalist on those shows they get a fire start that dude can make a fire with a bow drill Which is not easy. I tried it. I'd be dead.

You gotta get the little bow right and you're going really fast on the thing But it's not as easy as no and you're adding hay to it. It's called a nasty make a nasty Okay, we have to touchdown and this relates to your show messy because the first episode you guys interview Edie Falco Which of course is her matriarch from her experience. Yeah, and then you have your own matriarch Katie comes over and lays in the bed I know Katie and she is fucking awesome. She's one of my favorite humans of ever Matt those two fuckers raised me So if you have a problem with me, it's their fault How old were you and you got on the show 16 or 15 of all the different TV experiences in the history of television That's in the top 10 of craziest rides someone could take it was a new network.

It was super popular enormous It was every headline, but I didn't know it. I'm a kid from Laurel Canyon, man I really don't know things I didn't even know it was big clearly there was a light switch of recognizability though Where you're moving through the world and now you're realizing like oh geez I was also like kind of a dick kid like a tough girl So also was not recognizable when I would leave work I didn't wear those dresses Jenna's shopping with my favorite artist I was like this hippie weirdo no makeup kind of grungy and kind of gross So I just went around the world like that and also there were no cell phones There wasn't that thing I stayed in my own pocket which was my friends from the canyon I didn't really hang out with Hollywood people or actors. I kind of just hung out in Canyon What lot was that on we had two different lots we started out at sunset hour that would have been easy from here Oh, so nice and then you moved to Fox Sony I know if you're not from LA I try to tell people this my dream in life and the thing I would still cut off a tote acting would be a Tarantino movie well, they're you just put it out you put out a lot if Tarantino was shooting at the I don't know I live I don't know yeah, exactly I don't like going on locations too much So I thought if someone was like out of the country I don't know at this point yeah, Kristen did it a couple years ago and she was like that's the last time I'll try to do that it's too hard you've got multiple babies and I'm bringing them over and I was just a mom I mean they came up with something and that science that we actually have our children's DNA in our brain as moms I'm probably gonna sound insane, but I read something well I'm sorry From a place that we have part of their DNA that has gone from the belly into our brains so that makes us really weird That makes total sense because your immune system is looking for things that do not have your DNA and then destroying them so obviously it has to know The baby's DNA so doesn't destroy the baby. I told say to that today.

She's like that's really freaky. I don't like that She said different words, but she's 13 and she cusses more than I do okay, so you didn't know that it was what I really didn't listen I wasn't real America. I was in Michigan in that show either was this new network Everyone loved it. I can't remember having a show experience other than married with children was like oh my god This is an hour show.

We all watch and we all talk about they treated us like absolute shit Yeah, like we were like the black sheep we didn't get We didn't get syndication 11 years on a TV show I get checks for a dollar 25. Oh When they sold us into syndication they told us we were not a real network. Oh right they got out of it Oh, yeah, they gave me a bonus a very small bonus was a fraction of what I was making a week Yeah, that's all we got and probably the first cycle they sold was probably a million other deal It was a hundred million the first time and then just kept happening over and over again It plays like 20 times a day like 150 countries and I get a check for a dollar Every once in a while I feel like I might leave a 20 behind because I enjoy it still I think they would have righted that in retrospect because they weren't a network fox was not a network They were under a different agreement through No, because there was ABC CBS and NBC I'm just saying they probably had a different agreement with the guilds those networks did and this was sliding in through the cable we were just literally shit on and then when we got canceled they didn't tell us 10 years Don't 11 11 wait 11 seasons No, we were not told that we were canceled Eddie found out from a couple at a cabin place that he was at that had heard it on the radio Oh my god And this is actually true and you should have him on the show because it's fantastic to talk to you or listen to he said This couple came up and said I'm so sorry about your show. I was like what are you talking about?

I'm like well, it was canceled literally we didn't know Wow, you didn't get a fruit basket. Thanks for the 11 years. No of starting a network Yeah, literally the very first show to ever air on Fox and it was a huge hit not at first because no one had it It came on channel 50 after eight o'clock. Yeah, when you have a coat hanger It was a whole day.

Yeah, but we were the very first show to ever air. Yes that night was three shows I think it was I don't trace the almond show, maybe was that the first night? We have to project that only three shows it wasn't the sims ants because people say that we stole the sims I'm sorry they actually were an interstitial on the Tracy almond show. That's where they said it Do you know that the working title for the show was not the Cosby show or no?

No, that was the working title of silver shrooms. Sorry. No, that was our title. No, wait, hold on that was our title not the Cosby show You just reminded me something I wanted to ask you but I'd skimmed over it because we were already at Mary with children You did all these guests roles as a teenager and you were on silver spoons Which I loved when I was a kid you were on the shows with all the heartthrobs you were on Charles and charge silver spoons Ricky showed it was every girl's column right now, but then he was right key I had a white swatch because he had a white swatch bake men was on it for the first time he gets his lunch I've known these boys forever.

Did you have crushes on any of these? Not my type I like toothless punk rockers. Uh-huh The dad. So my married one.

Yeah. That was a survivalist but he doesn't have his front teeth. Oh, he doesn't. No, he hasn't since he was 20.

Oh wonderful He wears like a little um, oh, he just runs with no teeth. That's awesome Why were you so attracted to punk rock my mom said when I was a kid I've never met a junkie didn't like that's a fun thing to tell your My mom never met an alcoholic she didn't marry. Yeah, all of them We can acknowledge you weren't aware of it, but you at this point understand that every boy in America was in love with you It went molly ring wall and you you had your pick of the entire I like the ones that didn't like me. Yeah, that disease.

Oh deep. Have you drilled into that? That they bring I think it's the familiarity sexy Yeah, you can't control what you like my boyfriend died in 2008 from heroin So it's not like a funny thing that was one of the most devastating things that ever happened to me in my life Well, there's been many I joke about it But my heart still is ripped out of my chest because of that again It's similar to them as it happened to you you don't get to know whether you would have on your own No, and you want to help them and I tried three years things were good And then as you know, it's up to them And then I had to go take my talents out and go I can't and it was within a week once I said I can't He was gone and I hold that guilt so deep inside of me and it doesn't matter how much intellectually you know Or so I was like what I've done and yeah, we made just I say these things Yeah, by the way, that's really and right up front you get to cuz you've earned it like you say you make MS jokes We're all drunks and junkies, but I'm allowed to do that because yeah, yeah I'm representing myself also. I think if we really went to that place it's too much We'd be on the floor.

Yeah, and then we'd never come back up off the floor And I'm really honest about that I make jokes. I made jokes at the Emmys. I couldn't even say the word disability I was like this is my brain was like well, I make these jokes because if I don't also okay I'll be done. I'm not ready for the healing yet, and I'm being very honest.

I will get there But what someone says have you accepted this as your new normal? No, fuck you absolutely not right yeah That's what our podcast messy is about it's Jamie and I really talking about that she has emus Yeah, she's had it for 20 years and she hid it for 10 wow did you become friends after the diagnosis or your friends before? Peripherally we have known each other from our friend Lance Bass for years. You know so the shared experience We're both kids on an impossibly huge show.

Yeah, when I told Lance about it He's like you gotta talk to Jamie So that's kind of how this started Jamie And I would get on the phone and we talked for like two or three hours And it was healing lots of tears and then of course me making fun And then we laugh and then tears more and then all of a sudden we're like I think this might help people even if we're not talking about MS Like me having constipation and if you go into my bathroom, there are gloves in there Because sometimes I have to pull shit out of my own asshole You know just being honest about stuff the experience of this we always talk about if she and I could go together as one person We would be the most perfect disabled person because she's really like we've got to find light and we've got to move forward And I'm like fuck this but if we came together we'd be perfect. Yeah, yeah Yeah, so that's kind of what messy is I listened and it's great and I was in the Edie Falco episode I just love her I never matter but I feel that same pull towards her as I did Katie and then prove that Katie was exactly who I Hope she would be and I get that punch that Edie is also cut from that same clock It's very weird that both of you had similar archetype mothers Anyway, I do it from right here. We're in your bedroom I'm in my great garden says I call it and then Jamie's in Austin and our producers in New York So it's really just whenever someone wants to come on really good Don't keep and listening to Edie and Jamie talk about stuff. You know, I don't want to it's heartbreaking you should but their relationship and realizing that she wasn't getting one if she needed from Edie She held on to that and then Edie explaining why I was sitting there hands on chin like oh, this is deep I was proud of them for being so transparent about what the experience was like Edie's like you had parents there When you were very type a you seem very on top of it and then Jamie's like I did so afraid I didn't belong there and I was trying to act very prepared and like anything anything I was afraid of you Oh, mom, it is a great reminder of what you think is going on versus what another person thinks is going on and how Disjointed those realities are you tell me I shoved you against the wall.

Wow I didn't think I could do something like that But yeah, just hearing both people for maybe the first time they're talking about how they really felt like something that maybe they could Don't end day nine the first time they had ever spoken about this It came as such a shock when we do the zoom obviously we can see each other and that's just so we can watch each other But Allison and I were like whoa What is happening even Jamie like tears coming it was really intense in the fact that there was a moment where Edie I knew she was struggling and had a lot of insecurity and saw her be great on an episode wrote her a letter telling her how great She was on the episode and that Jamie wanted so bad to respond and thank her But she just never did and then he's like I don't even know if she cared that I did that those missed opportunities That's beautiful and that's kind of what we're doing eventually we'll talk to people We don't know but first of all Jamie and I're gonna talk that's kind of the show is just the two of us and then we'll Have our friends and our family and we have Marty Shorten we've got people that we've already done and we got a good little list But no one's promoting we don't have questions which makes us like the worst interviewers ever because we're like so would you have I mean, but eventually hopefully something will happen Can you tell me because I'm really under educated in this my girlfriend high school's mom had MS My understanding was the my lawn she threw on your spinal cord is breaking down and then you get all this electrical interference And do we know much about this disease and we know how it begins? Are you predisposed to genetically what happens physically? No, no, yes and no, no, no, okay No, no, I'm gonna explain what I know if there was an understanding of how one gets a mess then there would be better treatments Luckily, they do have what they call B cell treatments Which most of us are on which are infusions of ocravus or kesemta which is pretty hard core stuff It's almost like a I don't want to say this because people are gonna be like it's no chemo It's like a form of that where it's killing all the B cells in your body that are attacking your nervous system So you have something in your body that's I have no I have 30 lesions on my brain like pervy source basically Yeah, so source all over my brain. My biggest one is behind my right eye So my right eye hurts a lot.

Oh fuck does it affect your vision? Not right now, but it hurts and then other people don't even have them on their brain They have like a couple on this fine what it does is it just affects the nervous system So we all kind of have the issue with mobility that's different per person how it shows up on Jamie is very different of how it shows up on me My hand starts to go weird and then I'll get a seizure e-feeling sometimes in my brain But not all the time I'm gonna guess the brain thing to me would be scared in the arm I'm not really happy about all the fun in my brain If you think that I'm just sitting here with 30 lesions on my brain It's a fun one to hang with Harvard put out a study that you know, of course, they're not claiming anything They're saying like we're seeing a correlation. You can look this up to there's a correlation that anyone who has Epstein bar virus Wait with hypothyroidism and the herp. They're seeing that that's kind of a correlation.

I have all three not on the vagina I don't have the herpy I get a little cold from a pineapple and by pineapple. I mean dick People I know who have a mess have all those three things so we're not gonna claim that we're not gonna send it off in a letter But it's kind of promising they're thinking hmm. We're seeing the people that do have all those three things It's the three things and I have hypothyroidism, which is you don't make enough like I'm slow right? Okay, so that might be the precursors to it and then what has happened in recent time with the Pharmacological treatments for if they're been good progress made like out of ten.

What would you give the treatment? You know, this is a disease forever for us and back before they had the bezel treatments people just died from it You just knew you got it and then you're just dead So we're prolonging life with these treatments now doesn't mean that I'm gonna be around in ten years You know, I don't know so that's the scary thing about MS. There is no endgame. You know, I've had cancer too Well, I was gonna get into this it's fun talks but you kind of It's hard to explain that to because I was able to catch it early because of my being a hypochondriac and now I don't really have to worry about Breast cancer, not gonna say the other cancers because that's you up for grabs who knows but this one is like this is it This is life.

There's no surgical option. There's no like ringing the bell when you're done with chemo You live with this for the rest of your life and either you're gonna die from it or you're gonna die in a car I don't know but that's kind of the endgame on this for now You hope in our lifetime that someone be like we've got it. Oh my god I'll be so great, but it's a disease of progression and you just progressively get worse I would imagine mentally like the definition of depression, right is that you foresee the future being worse than the president's the President's yes Then the present is and when you're given a diagnosis that literally says well, that's the facts I don't know how someone wrestles themselves out of that. It's the worst tattoo today's the best I'm gonna be physically Yeah, that's a mountain on your mind.

I would imagine I'm not gonna sit here and like some people go like oh my god Cancer was the best thing that ever happened me and I'm like oh the new added pretty shitty life That's the best thing you can do anyway, but this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me Yeah, my entire life. I hate it so much. Yeah, so mad about it You can't overcome it Yeah, but why don't you exercise because I can't right like it hurts the second my feet hit my carpet in the morning And they're hurting as bad as they do every single day then I go fuck it I'm just gonna lay back in bed and then I'm being the worst ems Her we should be stretching we should be trying to walk for five minutes And then you beat yourself up for that I beat myself up about that and then I'll have a day where I'm not as bad And I'm like oh I can do a couple things then I'm down for four days. Yeah, so it's a bitch She's a total.

I'm gonna say the word cut. She's a good you and you go push and then it pushes right on back Mm-hmm. She is a mean girl. That's the thing that I struggle with cuz everyone's like come on you're feeling good today Let's go do something and I'm like well then I'll do it and then I'm gonna be in the prize five days Yeah, any victories not a victory.

It's gonna be purericking your I know I'm like such the downer guy Well, you know I love the race to a race MS so you're gonna run in front of me No Well first of all I think you do a much better service by saying I feel like this and I hate this because I think a lot of the People that are dealing with what you're dealing with on top of everything else I don't seem to have this sunny disposition about this ailment I've been given and I feel now isolated and alone Like I'm not doing it right on top of everything else. I think it's a much bigger service Can I just say I hate they beat cancer like it implies my dad didn't fight hard enough? Yeah, no, there's a lot of triggers for me about this You feel shitty about your performance on top of everything else is that what we need? I had a friend who is in the public eye and she got cancer and posted and look I'm gonna put myself down in a minute But she said if there's anyone that can beat it's gonna be me and I said take it down Yes, take it down right now.

Yes because someone's mom just died and she was pretty strong It's not her to start someone sister just died someone's dad just died from this. Yeah take it down I said what you're gonna do is you're gonna be honest every step of the way through your chemo your radiation all the stuff and It ended up that people really were helped by what of course the vulnerability and sharing your fears And I learned that lesson the hard way because in 2008 when I had breast cancer at 36 years old I went out and I was the good girl talking about oh, I love my new boobs right that are all scarred and fucked up What was I thinking my first interview was with Robin Roberts? My cancer and you know, I'm sitting there lying my ass off about how I felt I got up and I literally fell into the wall You weren't there because you didn't push me But you were like fuck I haven't fallen in charge of the next I was a woman and I fell into the wall and sobbed because it was a lie everything I was saying was a freaking lie it was me trying to convince myself of something and I think that didn't know service to anyone Yes, I started a foundation right away Yes, I did all the things that I had to do and we raised millions of dollars for women to get MRIs who were at high risk Yes, we did a good thing but at the back of it. I was taking off my bra and crying everything Yeah, and I wish that I had said that yeah, because then you have a fraudulent on top of the paint Also, I'm like I want that woman who's feeling like that to not be like oh Christina Applegate.

She loves her boobies I don't like my boobies. I still don't like my boobies. It's horrible. I don't have nipples.

That's not something I talk about I don't have nipples. It's weird. I can wear a tank top and no No, I will find that's a silver lining you can really go in frigid climates. That'll be something I make it afraid No, you're just I'll never betray you No, you can't push them like look at me trying to push my tips.

I was wondering there's a lot of shit I love about a one of them as I learned early on that self pity is the opposite side of the coin is self-grandizment So like I would always feel stupid bragging and thinking I'm hotter shit than I am but also self-pity I'm doing this because I want to speak on that when you're done. I'm setting you up for this because you won't know what I'm Okay, keep your fingers crossed. I police myself as much on self-pity as I do on self-grandizment because I have admitted to myself It's equally I make myself more important than I am the universe isn't conspiring against action I'm not that fucking important. It is What are your thoughts about self-pity and then do you have to police yourself because if I were you this is me I'm not saying you should feel this way.

I would go. Yeah, this makes sense I got way too much luck and now I'm getting way too much bad luck, so I got cancer 36 I'm sorry. I didn't have luck. I was really talented I would I would I would have said this life was so charmed I feel that way by my life is abnormally charmed I'm talented but so are a lot of people the girlings that didn't make it.

I have a very fucking charm life I'm sorry. Yeah, she had much more talent than me. I was there with her we started together, but I would start saying to myself Oh, God now it's flipping on me. I would make the universe pointed out myself That's what I would have to fight and of course I'm just curious those kind of thoughts cross your mind Okay, so the books gonna come out, so I'm not gonna talk about too much.

It's been a shitty life I'm not gonna lie all the stuff that you saw was like a really really good Alexander McQueen jacket performance. Okay, that was pretty That's fashion I put on the jacket and then I went out into the world and I pretended to be something that I wasn't and behind closed doors was pretty grim I'm sorry, I don't want to say too much, but it's also it's making you want to read it You're gonna think I'm literally making this up and it's not like oh my god I didn't have enough toilet paper that day. It's stuff abuse It's things. Yeah, so anyway, I did this because being grandiose about oneself I remember being 13 years old and I was on a show called Heart of the City detective show you're on it for two years People were liking it and so I said to one of my friends that I had grown up with if you ever see me start to get lost Let me know and one day we were in the car and we were driving by 20th century foxes where we shot it and on the radio was the doors You know, she's a 20th century of Fox and I said oh my god.

That's so funny and she whispered in my ear She goes you're doing it Last time I ever spoke about myself really I'll get calls from my mom and she's like you got no name for an Emmy I have been so embarrassed by it my whole life that I don't tell anyone not my family nothing I don't talk about it. You think you've robbed yourself of some deserved self-congratulation No, because now I'm the shit now. I'm like, yeah, pretty good stuff. Yes one after another after another after another after another I'm proud you can't get lucky 29 times in a row.

I did that until just recently I was embarrassed by it was an important you to not shine so bright because you were living out a dream your mother started No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I always say that the secret to success is to be mediocre success Then people don't need the downfall. I would have loved the $20 million $50 million paycheck for that movie Yeah, it's not that I chose not to everyone shows that for me But I feel like I've been here for 50 years because I kind of have stayed at the right Well, you didn't fly too close to the Sun. Why you'd get burned. That's right Icarus.

We were just talking about it We were just talking about it. The brass rings lovely too, but you only get it once There's only one way to go. There's only one story left to tell about that person We were just interviewing Bradley Cooper and this came up. He said do you think people have to see someone fall and I said Yeah, it's the only story left.

I can't even blame people we think in stories It's like what's the third act for this person? They can't get higher so they got to go lower But they grasp for it then you're like you're morning. Yes crap acting. That's why don't watch I'm like stop it It's fire me.

Are there any shows you love it. Do you like white lotus? I haven't seen that. Oh my lo You're a bad SAG member.

I'm a Ted Lasso guy. I'm like a only murders. Oh, I love only hard-aid. You want to feel happy Yeah, that's fair and I'm cracking jokes all day long so when I sit down I want to see like murder and tragedy and the opposite But we didn't get to self-pity.

Oh, God. Yeah, they totally hate myself especially now I gained 45 pounds when I got sick from medication. I've lost 30 pounds in the last few months not from Oh, I'm back. I have a stomach issue.

So my eating is very teen is MS at all is there a diet that's better for yeah Mediterranean? No, I think it is But we're pretty sure that's probably the best yeah, yeah, I eat a piece of cinnamon toasted anyway I'm not doing all the things I'm supposed to be doing but you know it's hard for me because I was always fit Lady but I also had even disorders and weird stuff for years and being like this now which is hard and I don't do the Plastics surgeries and I don't do the things I brought my equipment You want me to share you know me? I did do a threadlift in 2018. How is that rad?

But it goes away. Oh, it does. Does the thread dissolve? Yeah, oh my lord But I went to a doctor two years ago and I was like I want to go again and he goes your face is too fat Mike drop you fat He turned down all that money first of all I doubt your face is that secondly rare ethics you want to talk to Michael Jackson's guy and go How could you possibly gone in on that nose again?

You can't do that like how could you have possibly gone in on the nose again? I'm more concerned about the propofol by the night. There's a few doctors that yeah the doctor I was like y'all knock you out every single night of your life. It's propofol.

Yes. I love propofol That's fun for your colonoscopy. Exactly for a major surgery. I know can you imagine being put down every man Anesthesia I have many surgeries and you got a prep for surgery.

They don't want you on propofol with any food in your stomach Yes, right? Like with heat pre-op pre-op is whole life that way so thin It's constantly prepping for surgery. Do you think he gets some of those surgeries? I think I was talking about Michael Jackson as a whole other episode I have lots of thoughts on that one.

Oh, wait I haven't tell you this Michael Jackson funny one of my best friends her name's Farrell and we know each other 13 years old we met on some steps down on lookout and she comes up she had blue hair She goes you have to consider it. That's how we met and we've been friends ever since when we were younger Not even then she thought that the song said get down with the porn stuff. Don't stop till you get enough Yeah, I can see what you thought that is not it's not get down with the porn I play it a couple times a week be honest. Did you ever get invited to the ranch?

Oh, yeah his dad had a birthday party pre Yes allegations and now we know for certain. Yeah, well, I say that no He definitely was a pedophile who've ruined the lives of a bunch of little kids. I'm not denying that there weren't even allegations yet at this point No, every friend of mine who's been in this business for a very long time Like that's when he went mine. We talked about it on the show anyone that was young that was around in popular at that time They got invited to I was a 20s Joe actually invited me Joe Jackson.

That's very weird for him. Do you think about it? You met bubbles. Yeah, so my friends who have been there to the what was it called the mystery?