Chung Ma, Deputy Chief Investment Officer, Virgina Retirement System and Vivian Lau, CEO and CIO of Senado Management "Family, Finance & Fiduciaries"

Our guests today are Chung Ma, Deputy Chief Investment Officer of the Virginia Retirement System, and Vivian Lau, CEO and CIO of Senado Management. Beyond their remarkable careers, Chung and Vivian share a unique personal connection—they are cousins who grew up together in the same household in Flushing, New York. Chung helps oversee the investment portfolio of the Virginia Retirement System, one of the largest public pension funds in the United States, managing more than $100 billion on behalf of public employees and retirees. His expertise spans asset allocation, portfolio construction, risk management, trading systems, and long-term institutional investing. Vivian is the founder of Senado Management, a special situations investment firm focused on opportunistic investments across credit, equities, and private markets. Most recently, she led Strategic Themes investing at Sixth Street and previously served as Co-Chief Investment Officer of Serengeti Asset Management after beginning her career in Goldman Sachs' renowned Special Situations Group, where she became a Managing Director at just 28 years old. Today we'll explore their career journeys, how they each developed their investment philosophies, and how two cousins from the same family built exceptional careers across public and private investing. Without further ado, here is our conversation with Chung and Vivian.