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Sean's cranking out the big picture. I'm cranking out the Bill Simmons podcast the book basketball 2.0 podcast premiered the what if the Len Bias story? Yeah, so you can find it on there really good one coming up. I'm not gonna quit my job I'm just gonna do it better It's firing city slickers is next yesterday.
They were businessmen. Do you know what I found yesterday hair in my ear losing hair I'm getting here with this shouldn't be here today. They're cowboys. I think you look like one of the village people tomorrow They'll be walking funny Billy Crystal No Kirby Daniel Stern.
Oh, I was much more cash for a horse directed by Ron Underwood city slickers, but he's 13 Well, I'm hungry. How about you specials who preview Saturday and up here near you? All right, I'm doing this a person Chris Ryan sir Sean fantasy is here at this movie's been a running joke for us ever since What was the podcast Sean? Sounds like it was neighbors when Chris Ryan decided that they just don't make them like they used to They just don't make them like city slickers like low and bobbly low games the bobbly mandel Yeah, just cranking out a script with some story some set pieces Some cows some angst some some midlife crisis angst.
This is a corny midlife crisis movie that Incredibly rewatchable is really entertaining. It was the fifth biggest movie of 1991 It's cemented Billy Crystal as a star when you say that they don't make them like this anymore They actually really don't make movies like this anymore They do like if they do like the dark midlife crisis thing it gets super dark Like it's now you're the dad in euphoria now online doing something horrible or they cheat it in the midlife crisis is happening to a guy He's like two years out of college, right? Yeah, that's what's that broken thing where it's just like I smoke a lot of weed And I'm dating Catherine Haggle, but I got it together in the end like do still relate to the dad in euphoria though, right? I feel like you're gonna really ride the third rail on this five.
I'm excited The theme of this movie is basically I'm as good as I'm ever gonna look I'm as successful as I probably am ever gonna be I can't believe I'm this young and my life is basically over. What do I do next and then at the end? We realize what you do next is you go cattle herding you adopt a young cow save him from being the field parmajan three weeks later Bring that cow back to New York City with a smile in your face and your family's fine. That's right There you just give away the whole film spoiler What am I missing Chris?
Well, I think that then you're missing is that like the movies I try to do this kind of thing now Everything that happens is the same thing that happens and neighbors are knocked up or any other like contemporary comedy It's just that these guys don't look like James Franco and Jason Segal You know what I mean? Like these guys actually do look like shulabi middle-aged men it is Daniel Stern and Bruno Kirby and Billy Crystal So there is I think a little bit of a relatability to it I think also these are movies tend these like castle rock comedies that kind of came out in the late 80s and early 90s 10 to like lead with sentimentality and then have funny stuff happening rather than how to leave with the funny stuff and Then James some sentimentality in the end. Would you notice on the rewatch on feels like the culmination of the yuppie in crisis movie You know like lost in America National Land Putin's Christmas vacation when Harry Met Sally a lot of movies at this time between like 85 and 92 or so Grand Canyon Grand Canyon here in Hood, you know another Gansaman Dell classic right there There was a very specific brand of comedy kind of coming out of Reagan era where you have a lot of people who are sort of like doing pretty Well in the middle class and those people who are doing well in the middle class You know their their life is stable, but their problems are like internal and emotional and weirdly psychological They've been through the 60s and 70s and now they're like who am I what is the point of my life? There's also like the really funny thing where it's like all these guys have like super normal jobs yet can support families of two in New York City like they live in Manhattan But he's like I'm like a mid-level advertising guy like a radio station Yeah, but like we live in Central Park at West or whatever they do.
It's really fun. He just works at a grocery store Yeah, somehow he's making a work. Let's talk about Crystal. This movie.
This is the Billy Crystal apex I'm just gonna spoil my pick out now. This is the apex for him fascinating career and you could split it up into three parts So And by the way, I'd be like crystal stock this whole time I love Billy Crystal because I love the show soap in the 70s my dad nice to watch that and he was the gay guy And so that was how he kind of became famous was cut out 1975 cut out of the first time in a live episode Was supposed to do like four minutes to stand up on the first show Which was gonna be the most important pop culture comedy show of that decade Got cut out and it's just on a train going back to like Long Island wherever you live like oh my god That was the biggest break of my life that one stuff Lost three's company to John Ritter was supposed to get that or not or thought he had a chance to get a John Ritter I think that was the right choice. I didn't know that that's interesting That's crazy what I was a genius But Billy Crystal probably would have been good on that show I don't know I was talking about it with Jimmy and Sal cuz we all idolized John Ritter and that show And I don't know if he could have done a lot of the physical comedy But I think there would have been an intellectual piece that maybe the show didn't need I don't know so anyway gets that lands a job on soap Which was a real cutting edge comedy which I would I don't even know what the doppelganger now would be Like a really smart showtime comedy that didn't do that well, but everybody really respected like a weeds type of yeah I was the only shameless is it yeah something like that. I'm really cool Show is a parody of a soap, but they pushed a lot envelopes and he was the gay guy that then he's in rabbit test Oh, yeah, John Rivers a Joan Rivers directed comedy written directed by John Rivers where he plays the world's first pregnant man That bombs right now we're in trouble now.
He's in that battle the network stars love boat. He's on game shows He's on you know twenty thousand dollar pyramid. He's so now he's having that run gets the Billy Crystal Comedy Hour in 1982 an NBC another big Break variety show two episodes canceled. So 1982 so 75 to 83 it basically just didn't happen so gets canceled and Then he hosts Saturn alive and he's great and they bring him back and he hosts it again It's right after Eddie Murphy's leaving and they're kind of like as the show can exist and he does so well They actually offer him to be the permanent guest host.
He says no, but I'll be in the cast goes on the cast He's with Martin Short. He's with Jim Belushi Christopher guest and it becomes this iconic SNL season And he becomes a star and he does that Fernando Lamas. This is marvelous. So now his career's taken off He does me and Chris's favorite will be running scared.
Mm-hmm. He does comic relief with with rabbit lambs It would be Goldman Goldberg does five in a row which I remember as Like one of the first things I ever watched on cable like I think that my dad got cable and Philly for a Tyson fight If I remember correctly, but then we like I was most excited about comic relief and Letterman did a thing for comic relief Which I think was I don't know if it was the most important moment of 1986 for me But it's like the top six item a lack on it Would you just do like a regular like stand up it or no? He did he filmed a piece with Chris Elliott where they go they go like they're on a boat and Chris Elliott starts to get like unseemly Funny All of a sudden Billy crystals and a list are yeah, he's in Princess Bride He hosts the Grammys 86 87 88 does a movie called memories of me that doesn't do that well Does throw mom off the train with Danny DeVito and those guys and then when Harry Metzell yeah, and that becomes a phenomenon Which leads to he hosts the Oscars four years in a row Ninety ninety ninety two ninety three and he's the best Oscar so they were at city slickers and then mr. Saturday night Which was his vanity project I was like that was Mr.
Hollins Opus by the time he's in city slickers He is an a plus lister. I would say one of the five most important stars. He was dead in the water and 82 It's a good success story. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy too because he always looked like Billy Crystal Right, you know, I mean so in some ways it's just like it'll be hard to explain to our kids The best this is a guy who was like as famous as you could get for a while You know and he like looks like Jerry Seinfeld's like weird cousin, you know like it really is it is sort of a miracle He also he was really helped by the talk show circuit talk show circuit was incredibly important back then and Carson Letterman Any of those he would always kill and so that kind of kept you alive even if your projects weren't working He kind of dragged himself to a version of fame that is now gone and I feel like most people's fame now more closely resembles What he was doing in the 80s where he would just do everything.
Yeah, you know, he was he didn't have like one very specific Skill set he was a funny sketch comic. He was a funny stand-up comic He was a really good variety show guest, but the idea of him becoming like a I mean literally a reason to go see a movie He was a reason to go see a movie for like eight or nine years there Right and it feels like he just waited it out and waited it out and figured out how to make himself work in that Well, there's not a lot of people in the history of Hollywood who did that like Jack Benny Maybe there are only a handful of people I could think of who were like this guy is has a TV show is great on the couch opposite Another host he could be the star of a movie like to be or not to be or something like that But for the most part when you think of them, you think of them as like this like entertainment wallpaper You know Billy Crystal was just like always there whether it was on the options of the Grammys and these other shows I was playing himself exactly in city slickers. He's just he's playing himself. He's like a slightly less successful version of himself He's playing the win-hairy Met Sally guy just now having a midlife crisis It's actually no you talk about like how hard I just bring out of that like Chris Rock's had a lot of issues with that Chris Rock Billy Crystal was always Billy Crystal no matter what movies and Chris Rock always felt like Chris Rock But you could never totally accept him as a movie star But he was able to do the comedy specials of those things Crystal was a huge movie star Also morphing into this like Bob Hope when he's hosting all these different things and he's by far the best person to host The Oscars the Grammys comic relief and this is like ten years of his life where he's just the best at multiple things There's something really interesting I don't know if you guys talked about this on the win-hairy Met Sally rewatchables, but because you didn't listen to it or no I just can't remember because I just can't remember like I Know they probably wouldn't do this But like is there a reason they don't just run back when Harry Met Sally and sleepless in Seattle Like he kind of like diverges off of this path I don't want to get the market corrected by Tom Hanks because Tom Hanks obviously yeah I like going forward but Tom Hanks doesn't have an entirely dissimilar career from Billy Crystal for a while there You know and so then he they both are doing movies like this in the in the 80s and 90s Tom Hanks and Splash Billy crystals And you know like and then kind of times like takes it over That's what I was gonna say I mean the the Mandel and Gans films are almost entirely Crystal Hanks Keaton and Steve Martin those are the avatars of this kind of like 40-something guy who's got to figure his shit out And they were all good at it And they're all slightly different there was like a slightly different flavor to all four of them And that's also not really like a traditional format now for a movie star We don't have a lot of people that look like those guys which is neither good nor bad It's just different yeah Crystal did this thing where you felt like you were hanging out with them He always figured out in the movies that worked the best And I think running scared which I love that movie is another one like that where they would be like these moments that he would have With people on the screen where you felt like he was genuinely friends with those people right and when Harry Met Sally had those They had lived some of it and then this movie the same thing like my favorite parts of this movie are just one They're kind of like riding horses.
Yeah, shoot and shit and talk about like telling Mickey Mantle stories and stuff with that He always kind of instinctively understood. Oh, this is a sweet spot for me Whereas like a Robin Williams riding a horse. I would just never buy it him talking about his dad taking him to go see But Robin Williams obviously took his acting career probably a little bit more seriously than Crystal did. He's probably a better actor Yeah, he definitely was but he was not as um, I think Robin Williams was not as interested in his own persona He was interested in playing other people really crystal was really interested in himself He's like always obviously so influenced by the vaudviliens and by the 50s and 60s comics and those guys were always themselves Alan King was Always himself.
Yeah, can you imagine like Robin Williams hosting the Oscars like it would be incredible But he would break the Oscars like there's no way he would be able to stay within the lane lines That was the genius of comic relief Right three of them right like bouncing off of each other and he'll kind of rain him in yeah So then from ninety four ninety four ninety five at flips a little for Billy City slickers to money grab happens. I think that was the title was a money grab no Forget Paris which is a movie. I should have liked he's plays an NBA ref. Yeah, it just wasn't good And then he turns down Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story just says now.
I'm good and they give it to Hanks That's a tough one and then you know, then he had it He rallied back with that anal as you know as that you know as this what was first I know this was first this and then he directed 61 which I thought was a really good sports movie on HBO And he's kind of you know, he's been around ever since but this was this was his peak and I mentioned this because So Jack Jack Palance Jack Palance. I always want to say Palance Palance Jack Palance wins for best supporting I'm here for this movie Which is unbelievable talk about that a second Philly's hosting the Oscars when that wins and it's like the ultimate apex about moment This movie is the fifth biggest movie 91 this dude that he cast who is the second choice will get into casting what else Wins the Oscar then does the one-handed push-up Yeah, and then crystals making jokes about it for the next two hours And it's like one of the most famous Oscars moments that was it It's just not gonna get any better for Billy Crystal They think like they tried to like have some sort of magic like that this year with like Engineering it so that the Bozeman award would go last so that they would have like a moment like that Yeah, I think it's really hard to engineer those yes, right? Yeah, I think that's one of the ways that like Kimmel distinguished himself when the La La Land moonlight thing happened Yes, he was good on his feet and Crystal was always so good on his feet And that's what made him such a good host It wasn't that he sang those songs or whatever at the beginning of the show that stuff is fine But he was awesome coming out of the commercial break ready to comment on the whatever ridiculousness that just happened Just so I just I guess it's just kids. He would do a lot of Nicholson banter too, right?
Talking to the audience for sure. You know what else happened this year. He became the Clippers super fan Mm-hmm the 92 Clippers went 45 and 37 Larry Brown took over halfway through the Danny Manning and they end up losing a Pretty banger of a series to the jazz in five. It's like a solid series those games Are series yeah, but it's like the five series early Malone and Stockton kind of hitting their peak But Danny Manning and like a Clippers crowd that actually has energy.
Well, this is my team like old and Polynese Yeah, it's uh, I'll find that for you Sean. I have that right here. We have a we have some run Harper Oh sure nice. Yeah, well back rivers Charles Smith good team Charles Smith before they gave him to your next Ken Norman old and Polynese What what the boot of James Edwards was there?
So yeah, not a bad team. We're used to play who the Clippers San Diego. No, no, I mean like in the 90s where they had all the sports arena sports arena. Let's talk about Jack This is a weird best supporting He said the movie for 20 minutes not not even that I counted He's he arrives at the 35th minute of the movie and he's gone by the 53rd minute of the movie One long scene in a couple of one-liners.
It's I don't feel like it's an Oscar travesty as much as like It's just kind of inexplicable. I remembered it in my head. I hadn't seen this movie in a while I remember in my head is like, oh, he's great that movie and then I watch I'm like he's in this movie for 12% of the movie I completely forgot that he's not like exactly dinner on taxi driver during his scenes Like he's basically like just playing an old cowboy. I think he's good.
Yeah, good. When he's not like let's give him the Oscar good It's also like he doesn't know he has a cool career, but it wasn't like man We really jobbed, you know this many times we gotta make it up to him You know what I mean for Jack Shane and 53 really fucked that up So I think the thing about it is this category more than any other category at the Oscars has done a good job of Recognizing comedies. This is the category that Kevin Klein won for for fish called Wanda This is a category where if you're in a mainstream comedy, you can win not always but you can win And I guess it just kind of felt right to acknowledge the contributions that he had made over the last 50 years to movies Well, it's a bad slate of nominees and I'm gonna redo this right now for you because there's a way that should have worked out So the category was Jack wins Tommy Lee Jones for JFK is amazing. Yeah, we're doing that at the end of the year It's on the schedule.
Wow. Are we gonna have Chuck beam in from a satellite check? We'll be here Harvey Kitell and Ben Kingsley for Bugsy, which we've discussed in the past. There's this weird Warren Beatty Oscars.
Yeah, it's weird. They both got nominated to very strange and then micro learner for Barton Fink. That's a really good performance Here's what the real problem was Hopkins wins for best actor You know, he's not how can she just should have been in the best supporting actor category And then this all works out and then he wins we're not wondering why the fuck Jack pounds one for City slickers and there's a couple of travices this year We talked about one of them about comer in the doors. He didn't get nominated best actor They was Hopkins Warren Beatty dinner.
Okay, fear Nick. Don't do Princess Tides Rob Williams for sure King The big travices were about comer and then Sean and I think Bill Murray was robbed for what about Bob? Yeah, and then for best supporting No surprise because the Oscars did that about black people ever at that point in the Oscars thing, but Lawrence Fishburne And boys and hood boys in the hood. Yeah, don't know if you saw that movie, but he's got that one.
Yeah, um that yeah Wow, that's kind of like any realize it was the same year. That's pretty crazy and then Chris rocket new Jack City I think you could make a case. He's really good that would hit no chance. Yeah, I've been more to stretch The fish burn thing is actually pretty weird I think one of the other things that happened to is and a lot of these movies a lot of these movies had two male leads You know like Cape Fear is an ulti and De Niro The Fisher King is Rob Williams and your boy Jeff Bridges So that's maybe speaks to a little bit of the dearth of it The idea of nominating Kingsley and Kitell for for Bugsy is bizarre.
I must want to watch Bugsy again I feel like I just remember Bugsy is being like the peak of like premiere magazine Just being like this is gonna be a masterpiece and we'll win a lot of Oscars and like no one could tell anybody differently Like even though the movie got like two and a half three stars like pretty good But also pretty under it was just like this is getting lots of Oscars because baby made a movie I think that's right. I think you know that So Pittsburgh, but pal I mean palance won for a reason he did win for what the sort of memorial it's time award though I mean he wasn't he was the black hat and Shane But he wasn't up for like a lot of Oscars that he missed out on that they then made up for it He wasn't but he had been nominated twice in the 50s Okay So there were I mean there are very few people in the history of Hollywood who had to wait 40 years between their Oscar nominations Um, so you know there was just a big an acknowledgement of the work that he did in the early days of Hollywood I guess if I'm redoing this Hopkins wins for best supporting actor if I can't switch him in categories I actually would give it to fish brand who wasn't even nominated. I thought he was incredible That's the best one yeah, and he has like we may or may not be tackling this movie at some point relatively soon But he has two scenes in that movie that are just highest level and he's a really important actors We've discussed in the past and yeah, I think there's like the gentrification speech he gives in that in that movie And then obviously everything like in the final third of the movie is unbelievable But also I would have gone like Gary olden in JFK here There's like a bunch of smaller parts in that movie too. They were more interesting than Bugsy Tommy Lee's really going for it in JFK And I'm here for him in touch here just him and Tashi and bacon that whole crew Can you wear that the Tommy Lee wig when we do JFK?
Absolutely. I'm paying myself gold if you want me to I'm gonna work on Costner's Memphis accent I'm gonna do I'm gonna do Peche's New Orleans accent. Was Costner New Orleans your hair sure? Yeah, I think that he goes in and out of like mild cage.
What about John Candy's accent? They have that dinner and he's eating oysters. You don't get to talk in that pot except for the nine-minute monologue. We give you like mr.
X Yeah, you just get to come in City slickers 26 million dollar budget made 180 million dollars That's crazy. It was the fifth biggest movie of this year. Do you want to guess the top five anybody? Silence Right.
Mm-hmm. Do we go calendar grosses or in your releases when I look at this unbox office mojo? I think we should do Calendar grosses. Yeah, Terminator 2 Judgment Day was one.
Yeah, that makes sense. Robin Hood Prince of Thieves was two, okay home alone It's cake fear in there. Sounds of lamps City slickers dances with wolves sleeping with the enemy. That's our top seven and then we've done a bunch of these We've done T2.
We've done home alone silence and now we're doing city slickers Yeah dances with wolves was 18 and you know what I would do that we haven't done his back draft Mm-hmm. Would you have given Kaitau the best supporting for Thumb and Louise or Bugsy? If you could do that one over again Kaitau is good in Thumb and Louise and he's good. He's better than that than Bugsy.
Matt's is really good that way Yeah, like fucking love that's in that movie. What about Pitt? It's great. He's in for what five minutes?
Yeah, iconic City slickers Roger Ebert. I mean a man who loves three out of four right three and a half three and a half stars Surprise them. He said much more ambitious and successful than I expected to proverbial comedy with the heart of the truth The tear in the eye along with the belly laugh. It's funny and it's at and it adds up to something I think that was a craig.
You're just you just don't have a soul. That was exactly what CR said on the next pod Do you want to do like 25 seconds on Ron Underwood? Just the cinema of Underwood? Um, I have that I have that coming It came apart pretty quick.
No, because you I know you were working on a coffee table book Just kind of an appreciation publish it 99 99 hardcover press We're gonna take a break and do the cadres All right, mostly watchable scene I really like when they're on the airplane coming back from running with the running with the bull's acid sore He's got a sore ass. He says I look like your mother. He starts doing like bad billy crystal jokes Like just the elf of the dad jokes. I left it all though He's Bruno Kirby talking about how young his girlfriend soon.
You'll be dating sperm These are all like Jeff Ross roast jokes What did you call them desperate attempt to cling to your youth? Yeah, that's bullshit bullshit Ed, have you noticed the older you get the younger your girlfriends get soon? You'll be getting sperm and then uh and then uh Dana's third pretending he's asleep. This is at the dinner party or at the other way.
Yeah, yeah Yeah, and then they kind of have though. He's like where we going next year and he's like when is it ever gonna be enough? It's just that's just great great uh script right in there So you have friends that you're your age who try to do boy strips who still try to like get you to do boy strips I mean, I'm probably the friend who's trying to get everyone else Threat to do stuff it gets tough when people get multiple kids you just do you've done like multiple Vegas one songs right my last trip No, I'm still good at Vegas. I just don't write about it.
Um now we had friends that you make it sound like you go to Vegas every weekend No, so I haven't gone in a while because of the pandemic But no, we had to read friends who would just try to come on one last run Let's go. Yeah, and half of them go half them Do you have any desire to do crazy shit before you no longer can yeah, like run with the bulls? No, you're done Not at all. I've really never had desire to do stuff like that.
Did you guys not really? C.R. You don't you'll jump off a cliff. I would do stuff like this.
I don't know that I would specifically do this I think like one thing that they don't remark upon is like I think driving cattle smells really bad It is really uncomfortable like you just get like it's really dusty It smells like how shit and you're on a horse for two weeks. Yeah horseback for two weeks. That's no fun So this movie spurred on a whole like two-year run of people doing cattle adventure vacation Yeah, this is one of the legacies of this movie is I think if I was gonna do something like that I would want you guys to conduct the game on me, you know, like if I was gonna submit myself to something like that I would want you guys to like the Michael Douglas games bill kill Sean and then like everything happens Yeah, then Sean shows up at the end of the way Everybody loves you Chrissy. Did we do that one for rewatch?
Yeah, we did like eight months ago Pandemic was rough on me. Um next we watch we'll see Nia. God. I love Jeffrey tambour To you the crystal tambour saying it's such a weird scene.
I just need to add his like perfect I love it. I love it And then he does that have you ever hit a point when you just feel like you're as good as you're ever gonna look And he sets up the movie and it goes right to the scene with the kid the kid school Yeah, our guy from Total Recall. That's right. Unbelievable brushing.
That scene is so good. Just crushing it Um and a big moment for our boy Jake John Hall. Yeah, his debut. Yeah, and looking good.
Got the spiked haircut Look at he looked very Jake John Holly Well, this Kelly favorite Jake John Hall. Just walk back and forth in front of my office when I was pocket You know that story, right? Just back and forth just left left tracks in front of my office Love them. She's a great actor great actor.
Uh next we watch with the fireplace scene When uh when Kirby and Stern get in a fight this movie. I just really like Bruno Kirby. Yeah Yeah, it's weird But you brought that up because he's about five six not exactly built But I'm not sure if that hair looks like a super mario brother And he's just like oh you guys. I'm just landing young chicks left and right It's like what he was playing when Harry Met Sally to where he's like this bachelor writer who's got the pulse in New York Yeah, I read a lot of I was reading about him last night and every piece about him It's like the quintessential New Yorker Bruno Kirby.
It's like this guy really carved out quite a career for himself Given the fact that you know like you said he's got the mario mustache and I don't know is he like cool or handsome or interesting? See here's the thing. I'm a little older than you guys There was a stretch in New York when half the men in New York looked like Bruno Kirby and they were all Yankee fans They were only cruising The Yankee hat and the and the big bushy mustache and the dark yeah And they just all looked and they could have been cops 845 p.m. When they had two hide-a-kins and then they would call into sports radio right Complaint about what's wrong?
Very don't complain about Billy Martin I have some great Bruno Kirby stuff for later. I like that scene. I like the harmonica scene with uh Jack and Billy You know the first time I tried to talk to you you embarrassed me So I tease you a little bit, which maybe I shouldn't have done So I'm sorry and now you're sitting over there playing with your knife trying to frighten me But you're doing a good job It's gonna kill me get on with it. If not shut the hell up I'm on vacation Really strong.
Yeah, good stuff. All the Jack Billy stuff is good. They're great. Yeah, um The one thing Do you know what the secret of life is?
No what this you finger one thing just one thing You stick to that and everything else don't mean shit That's great, but what's the one thing? That's what you gotta figure out Gotta find your one thing Chris Chris found it in the process I did I was playing to ask people I found a tree in KJ McDales for a second. I'll pick I don't know if it's one thing I actually disagreed with Jack advice. I think I feel like it's multiple things.
Yeah. Yeah One thing is kind of confining. Well, it's it's made pretty clear that Billy crystals one thing is his family, right? Your family the people you love being close to them spending your time on them His wife who's like get the fuck out here and don't come back to you have a smile on your face You're a great family.
Yeah, we're one for her great family 30 something So your one thing is the process. Your one thing is I'm trying to do more things right. I have seven things. What about you?
Bruno Kirby I really like the my best day was it Ron Underwood my best day worst day scene. That's it is really good I think that's my favorite most rewatchable. That's the best scene. I'm 14 and my mother and father are fighting again You know because she caught him again caught him this time the girl drove by the house to pick him up And I finally realized he wasn't just cheating on my mother.
He was cheating on us. So I told him I said You're bad to us. We don't love you. I'll take care of my mother and my sister We don't need her anymore and he may like he was gonna hit me, but I didn't punch Then he turned around and he left never bothered us again But I took care of my mother and my sister from that day on that's my best day What was your worst day?
Sangha His description of the Yankees game I have a huge issue with the baseball team allegiance in the thank you We'll talk about number one picking and I know that it was a business decision But his description of walking in the Yankee stadium after only having seen it in black and white tv as a meds fan True story from Billy crystal, but how do you tell that story and then it's like and that's why I love the meds My number number number number number one It's beyond an epic so it's the story that he tells if you believe that he's 39 in the movie In the way these tell the story seven years old this would be 1959 So the meds would not exist in a time of him entering Yankee Stadium We tell that story it's mental. Yeah, we're going full like but house of malbreak down I have thought about this a lot obviously that's very important to me But if you were that overwhelmed by the Yankees at age seven There is no chance in hell you would switch allegiances to the Mets zero My dad switched allegiances from the Giants to the Mets But the Giants were not as iconic and necessarily as beloved as the Yankees nor were they specifically as successful to move There's the only way is if he really hated Steinbrenner It was like this guy Steinbrenner came in and I finally had enough. I love times Do people do that? No, but even though the Yankees were not good in the 80s and the Mets were it's still not The only time that's ever happened is when you were like I'm gonna switch my allegiance It's like the nuggets or whatever.
That was worth it. Yeah, like four months paid off big time Great four months for me. So I had the answer before I needed this The New York Mets made a major contribution to his comic relief charity And in return he decided to wear a Mets hat in the movie and in return He decided to tell a touching story about being a Yankees fan That's insane that he did that but the Ben and Jerry's guys are like get me the Mets score Yes, which is great. But I guess part of that is because Mandel and Ganz are huge Mets fans.
Yeah, so they put that in the script Didn't like it any other rewatchable scenes for you guys This will be pretty much falls apart the last 40 minutes and I did not have any rewatch I really like when Daniel Stern when the cashier comes to the party And confronts Daniel Stern about his adultery and his wife is like What are you doing here Nancy? Who's on that? I don't know what to do I don't think this is the time of the place to talk about this I'm late What? I missed my period What?
I was at work and all my book pregnancy tests from aisle 11 The ones on special? Yes And it came up low Why is she telling you this? Phil Because I'm a boss And then we have a health plan Son of a bitch, you scoot this little girl in my father's store Oh no, no It was in his car Oh Jesus And I'm not a little girl, I'm 20 Good out of the way So Helen's way to Slater's in this movie Yeah That girl the cashier was her sister in the Legend of Billy James One of the great 80s movies of all time I would definitely I love Legend of Billy James It's a great one First of all, I just hit my bet on you guys sharing a love for the Legend of Billy Jean Which I placed about three months ago On fans of what I'm really excited about Second of all, it's Yarlie Smith He was the voice of Lisa Simpson Yeah Once upon a time on this podcast, I told you how pumped up the volume created podcasting The Legend of Billy Jean created the internet I agree with you 100% All the original vinyl star is Billy Jean Everything that happens in the internet from 97 on is foretold in the Legend of Billy Jean Fair's fair My second bet just hit I bet that Bill would predict the internet based on watching the Legend of Billy Jean Fair's fair They knew about the Apple computers They knew some super highway was out there And through this proxy of Billy Jean They created the internet I bet Craig hasn't seen that movie I have not Christian Slater Have you understood like 40% of what we've talked about? I never know He doesn't know Phenomenal in that scene Great performance So you don't like you don't think that the way that Underwood staged the Stampede Isn't the most relaunched we'll see Um I'm happy to be in absolute self-parity here And be like there are parts of this movie that are beautiful And really well done Honestly It's not a thing to agree with you This is why I'm looking western Good script It's good It's good It's got great bones Just like I said about Raiders It's Raiders and City Slickers What's what's stage the best the Midlife Crisis angle actually works Yep Um The Shocking Curly Death Usually when that happens in a movie And then you watch it the 5th time and say Oh there's part where Curly Death It's still shocking each time that he's sitting up there And you don't realize he's dead or not I think it's well handled Young Jake Gyllenhaal is age Great Yes Hilarious He has literally aged wonderfully Yeah He looks pretty similar Uh the one arm push-ups thing Became one of the most I would say five famous Oscars moments Huge one yeah They recreated it the following year He like remember he dragged the giant Oscar statuette out Just to kind of emphasize that the 70-year-old man was still so strong Saying the title and the dialogue I really appreciate it As you know I love that You guys are a bunch of City Slickers Um At this age Where you are You are So Like are we gonna be existential in this conversation I just I'd like that They have some good fortune cookie one-liners That I think are well done I thought that was a good one Do you agree with that?
Do you believe in that? Do I believe that at a certain age you are Or you are? No I don't I don't either Especially like age 39 I haven't even done that here Yeah I have a folder level in CR Seriously running an NBA team That's right What's next for you? I just mean Kate Winslet Are gonna buy a genie team Really show people how to do it We're gonna go We're gonna zag We're gonna start all shooting twos All mid-range Given all this wisdom that you haven't built You obviously have an enormous amount of wisdom too I'm six weeks away from turning 39 I know I was thinking of you during the film Do you think that Billy Crystal looks like he's turning 39 in this movie?
Well he's 43 during the making of the movie He looks like he's 51 I would say 47 is the new 39 for now I was talking with Andy about this the other day I was watching this This The only main movie called Mikey and Nicky with John Cassavelli's and Peter Faulk And I realized that they in the movie Are like My Age Now But they look like they're 750 years Like guys back then Just looked so much older No matter what age they were Yeah But they're also 25,000 whiskey-sours And 8,000 cigars By the time you get to that movie Their skin is just like pure leather though More would say it's the best The terrible Billy Crystal one-liners Which I really enjoy Like women need a reason to have sex Men just need a place He's just working his throat All of these working his tonight Show five minutes Just sneaking it in Which I enjoy I like his monologue in the in the classroom When he It's an it's a great The meaning of life Your teenagers think you can do anything Your 20s are a blur Your 30s raise a family And you think to yourself what happened My 20s is going on We can play the clip When you're a teenager You think you can do anything And you do Your 20s are a blur 30s You raise your family You make a little money You think to yourself What happened to my 20s? 40s You grow a little pot belly You grow another chin The music starts to get too loud One of your old girlfriends from high school Becomes a grandmother 50s you have a minus surgery You'll call it a procedure But it's a surgery 60s you'll have a major surgery The music is still loud But it doesn't matter Because you can't hear it anyway 70s You and the wife retired At Fort Lauderdale Studying dinner at 2 o'clock in the afternoon You have lunch around 10 Breakfast the night before It's been most of your time Wandering around malls Looking for the ultimate So if you're muttering How come the kids don't call How come the kids don't call The 80s you'll have a major stroke You end up babbling As some Jamaican nurse Your wife can't stand But who you call mama Any questions? You'll call it a procedure But it's surgery By your 80s you've had a major stroke And you know babbling As some Jamaican nurse Your wife can't stand But you call mama It's really good Really good script writing And then lastly it's the best I just like the normal people Being in like a Basically a western setting Yeah I think it's always worth Fish out of water too Yeah works really well Also all of the surrounding cast That they you know All those people Who I'm sure we'll talk about In the other categories I think are all really well cast They're really fun to be around Yeah I agree In other words Sage of us Well I have one that might be An answerable question So we can just wait to that Okay Uh what Sage of ours The two drunk cattle guys Are just so bizarre It's such a weird shift in the movie Where Curly dies And then it's like What do we have these guys Like oh no they've been drinking And then they're playing with guns Really bad alcoholics Because they're totally nice guys When they're not drinking Yeah they're playing with guns And taunting Mitch to come out Because they're gonna kill Norman The calf It's like what's happening Where are these It wasn't even hinted That these guys were evil in any way I think a lot of 80s and 90s movies have this problem Where they're like This movie has no tension What we need to do is invent Two characters Who will fuck shit up for 20 minutes Like otherwise One purpose that they serve They introduce Curly by You don't even really need them I guess you understand that Curly can't hurt the cattle by himself He needs some ranch hands To help him along But it's a really odd part Of the movie That little 20 minutes when they're Well it is It's funny because it's like Taylor Sheridan had written this Like those guys There would have been like a massive shoot Out between those guys Like at some point But in this movie They just like disappear And then To be fair For as sort of useless as they are The last 35 minutes It's like oh no are they going to Cross the river Like that's like the major 10 The last 35% of this movie Is uh it kind of falls off The opening graphics are just It's just weird stretch In the late 80s early 90s When they would spend like Real money on opening graphics And They'd last for a while And it's just 4 minutes Of the money What is this? My wife literally said like Is this still building?
Your animation of this cowboy? Yeah Rope thing Is that like the way like the pig panther Would have just like a 5 minute cartoon Yeah that actually works I mean at least that was Thematically coherent with the character And the story It's literally just a time suck This is a movie that did not have to be that long They have a whole conversation About recording on a different channel That was could not have aged the worst work It's one of those things that you Maybe feel so well It would take like an hour to explain That's correct Did you do you have any experience of the VCR? Yes, yeah Like recently? No, I'm growing up We used to have VCR tapes Okay We had like Star Wars on VCR Yeah, yeah Another word stage The worst Director run under words IMDB Let's go through it Great Tremors 1990 Yeah, what a riff What a riff What a riff City's like there's 91 We're doing well here Cooking Heart and Souls 93 Underrated Speechless 94 Getting worse A four-year break Until Mighty Joe Young in 98 Not ideal Adventure is a Pluto Nash O2 All-time bomb Stealing Sinatra O3 And we're in the TV movie stage So he's like a I don't need to be disrespectful to Mr.
Underwood Like J.V. Rob Reiner, right? Like a safe pair of hands There was somebody Tremors was like I I think a really well-respected Indeed It's like No, it was kind of like It was like Oh, this guy could be like a Jodante Kind of like Yeah So we actually talked about Who I think is the J.V. Rob Reiner On the show last year Like Stephen Herrick Who was the Director of Mr.
Hans Opus Right And also directed Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure Don't tell me I'm the babysitter That Mighty Ducks Three Musketeers 101 Dalmatians Holy Man Rockstar The Underwood thing is weird Cause like his first two movies Are pretty darn good And they are Definitely And he couldn't find that one thing Yeah Making more Tremors movies Heart and Soul Though, another movie was just on HBO Every day for about five years That's like a Robert Downey Jr. Robert Downey Jr. is like the spirit Who replaces It was like a heaven can weight rip off The shoes Yeah Yeah I didn't watch it Yeah Moral with Tasia wears veal This movie makes you feel bad about eating veal I'll still eat it You like a veal parm, right? Yeah I do like the veal parm But I did feel bad about it As I watched Norman This is a little bit of a picking net But did we need that sequence at the end Where the owner of the Miami Dolphins From Ace Ventura Was also the ranch owner When he explains that he's selling these cattle Did he just do we need that?
I think that was I had this later but I'll just do Now I think that was the birth of veganism That speech You think so? Oh Yeah If it's when vegans all decided like fuck this We're not eating it I think you look at a lot of vegan literature At often points Beyond Burger Beyond Burger They say city slickers was When it started that day Whenever I see that guy in a movie All I can hear is Find the fish Find new jobs Yeah that is a weird like five minutes Where they're like what do you mean? He's like I got to sell him The market price is high It's great Whenever you say sir I think low on Babaloo Maybe they wrote the first hour And they sold it And they're like hey What about the last one? I was looking at research Like they famously didn't really do Like quote-unquote research Like they wrote it And they never met a cat Someone who had done this And they were like sure that could happen I don't know how they did do research When they had other jobs So the only job was to be a screenwriter Well but most of their movies had like Quasai Do you imagine if they'd spent like three years researching this?
It's like oh god The city slickers is really chasing me Through the halls I've been working on so hard What's what happens to this guy's business If he just sells all these cattle I think it's funny that these guys thought The job of this place was to walk cattle Back and forth between Colorado and New Mexico A lot of answer questions But I want to save it until If you guys have any There's just like a tone to these movies But I don't know if it's age the worst But like letting Billy Crystal get like One extra kind of bad dad joke Every scene they need And it's also like the Mark Schamin score Which is kind of like the Danny Elfman score Which is kind of like There's like the gospel music that's playing during the stampede You know what I mean? When they come back And every solo shots of every person Coming out of the cab And they're back Yeah It's definitely a whole bunch of errors Yeah it is It's like it's not like a family movie Because they like are talking about Women for the entire movie But there is like a kind of softness to it Yeah it's corny Yeah that's it Alright Here's this is This gets goes into its own section But we'll start here What's age the worst? City Slickers too A movie that Was really only made because There was money to be made And I think that you'd basically Kirby not doing CS2 Is the equivalent of Duvall not doing Godfather III Well and I have a lot of stuff to go into on this But basically TLC The only way they can do this Is if Jack Palance can be in it But he can't because he's dead So guess what Let's get him a twin brother And let's And the movie Which I watched recently Because I really enjoy the John Love It's Fredo stuff So John Love It's replaces Bruno Kirby And has no real gimmick He's just like kind of the loser brother of somebody But just does these Fray These Godfather II speeches And does Long monologues And everything he brings back to Godfather II It's actually really funny I sometimes like Bus balls on the watch Or whatever we're talking about like Marvel movies These are just so stupid They're so like They're backflips They have to do like bring characters back to life And then I remember like I went and saw the legend of Curly's goal Right So but more than that It's really underrated how you You Bill Simmons Great man very successful man Thank you like it's time to fire up legend of Curly's goal It wasn't a fire board It was a channel flip And Love It's was doing Godfather II And I'm like Wait what? And I just kind of Started back in Started watching Which leads us to The most important part of this podcast The Bruno Kirby Billy Crystal Feud Yeah Bruno Kirby Not in city slickers too Nobody knows why Not discussed by either man And then when Bruno Kirby died In the mid 2000s There was a lot of Kind of stuff on the internet about What happened with those guys So I read an excuse For why he didn't do the movie I don't know how to read this It was allergic to horses It was the Kids that get shots on the set He had a very hard time During the making of city slickers Because he was allergic to horses And was on horseback a lot And just didn't want to deal with that For T-L-O-G T-L-O-C So the story on the internet was Either during or after Making city slickers Kirby and Crystal were falling out Because they had been in When Harry Met Sally and then this And then Crystal decided I'm not going to work with Kirby And then there was rumors He had Bruno Kirby Blackwater Which was absurd Because Billy Crystal As famous as he was Then had a power to get people Blackwater But Bruno Kirby's idea to be Falls apart Pretty much immediately after this movie Jeffrey Wells What's his site Hollywood elsewhere?
Yeah Chris's favorite Hollywood journalist He his theory was Quote When the word goes out on an actor actress That he she is bad news And more trouble than he she is worth And has made an animated very important person Et cetera People pick up on this They tend to steer clear Away from him or her It's cowardly people do this Actress can go cold Once again I'm not saying Crystal Do this to Kirby I don't know anything When did he write this? In the mid 2000s Okay I guess it would be really funny If he was writing this whole theory Whole theory about that But then 2001 USA Today Susan Polish last name I'm not going to be able to say Because my Pronunciation dyslexia She interviewed Crystal As part of a press junket for America's sweethearts And said What's your worst junket story? And said The only thing I come up with Is that when you were making City slickers too You and Bruno Kirby had a falling out Crystal says he wasn't in City slickers too She says Yeah I know But there was some reason Didn't do it Are you guys still friends? Crystal I haven't spoken to him I think we are I haven't seen him or spoken to him In a long time And then he goes This is a perfect situation Where you talk about the movie You're talking about something The personal Wherever is that happened I don't know eight nine years ago She says It's about the movie It's the subject of the movie As the press of famous people And Crystal said So now you're my worst junket story Well Chris we got to try to find a way to avoid a fallout like that You and A were you were getting asked by like Whatever happened to Chris Ryan Yeah Did you blackball him from the podcasting industry?
No we're still friends Just haven't seen him He was really traumatized When me and Bill pulled the game on him Chris shot me Chris is trying to get on locker room Under pseudonyms We could kick him off Chris E O'Connor Yeah Is there a more unlikely feud in Hollywood history than Billy Crystal and Bruno Kirby? I just never know Way by this Two alphas you know I think did a lot of work together You know when Harry Met Sally Who's more responsible for the success of those movies? The thing you're saying though about Kirby's I mean to the extent that anybody cares about this The Kirby people care The drop off after See Slickers He's like uncredited in Hoffa I don't think he has a big part in basketball tires It's really weird He's like He's going to Donnie Brasko Irishman in sneakers Yeah Sleepers Donnie Brasko Donnie Brasko And then like kind of just This peers a little bit Yeah He died very young Let's take a break And then we'll do Castin' What Else All right Castin' What Else Crystal said Pounce was the first choice They couldn't do it He had another film to make So he contacted Charles Bronson Bronson said no Because he didn't like the character died Then Pounce got out of the other movie Join the cast Charles Bronson would have been interesting Did you get that haunted him? Not being in City Slickers?
Did he win an Oscar? The story that Crystal Tells about this is great Where he gets on the phone with him On with Bronson And Bronson's like I'm Charles Bronson I don't die Fuck you My character doesn't die Bronson And the idea of Bronson insisting upon this character Not dying Even though the whole movie turns on Curly dying And then him saying no Hanging up the phone And then Pounce winning an Oscar And Bronson never winning an Oscar Pounce didn't die Because he comes back and Curly's gold At the twin Charles Bronson could have doubled up Right there I'm going to line his bank account You know that Bronson is younger than Pounce But they occupy Similar space But on the same sort of like Western hero type Who kind of fell into a different kind of stage of their career In the 80s and 90s I don't know Bronson would have been good That would have been the make good for Death Wish You know Just like all the ones that we missed on Curly should not have died So what happened? The movie immediately falls apart when he dies Maybe just breaks his leg Well yeah Something needs to happen Oh so he breaks his leg But you want him to stay in the movie You don't want him to get dragged by the dentist To the town Well Curly did I know How about this? The Curly need to die Cause they've gone through their whole midlife crisis Figuring out shit With Curly there It has to be his responsibility More Curly scenes You guys don't understand the rules Of Gans and Mandel's Screenwriting here You got it You got it Tested into the main character Well Rip Maranus was originally cast as Phil Dana Stern's part Had to leave the production Cause his wife got ill Dana Stern They added like three weeks before they started filming That's a crazy thing Cause I believe that I believe she was diagnosed with cancer And she later died of cancer And then that's why he left movies for Maranus He left movies for 25 years Cause he had to take care of his family So I think that was when that first happened And then he went on to make a few more movies after that But has he done anything recently?
He said this movie would have been strange He's coming back to make his first movie I think next year Which is like a honey I shrunk the kids movie But he hasn't made a movie Like 25 years Wait is that funny? Like literally like It just keeps on the shrunk Oh wow That's that guy K the Joey Pants award So couple winners here One Uh Robert Costanza Mm-hmm Who was in one scene As the guy Speaking to the kids You know I'm from Total Recall You know I'm from a bunch of stuff He is one of those guys Or Bill Henderson The older dentist Mm-hmm He's one of those guys too I'd also say Tracy Walter is cookie Tracy is that guy I never the chef The cook guy Yeah the older dentist will always be the cop from Clue to me Oh yeah He's the guy back I like the older dentist Cause I didn't know that guy's name until I looked it up His son is a Gen- Gen-Z millennial That guy His son is in Sweet Life Is that a Cody? Oh Oh man Great Great get Correct Um I've not seen that television Program Vits in hand to give me all You got a word For overacting It's got to be Daniel Stern's wife Arlene She died Daniel Stern in that scene Where he's just like A four-taker star in the entry Yeah That whole scene There's a lot of overacting going on He's basically carrying over all the home alone energy Stern also put together a billion-dollar box office here this year didn't he? Yeah Home Alone and this Yeah And he was also on The Wonder Years And then the narrator And Saint Lot's happening too Yeah At some point Fairly soon What about Kyle C-Core For overacting?
Yeah Detective Tim Bayless On the brink of getting that gig On Homicide Yeah He's playing in this mean-spirited cowboy Yeah that's pretty weird Jedd Nelson I'm worried For people who didn't see Might they belong to the movie? I think like Patricia Wedig Was still playing her 30-something character It's like a real like I'm seriously I'm thinking this entire thing Really sick Yeah it's like Should I Loosen up this character? No Just Also you just Lose your mind At the character At Billy Crystal's As Mitch just doing one-liners When you're asking him like Real questions about his life And he's just like No no And he's just like What the fuck? We're gonna get divorced Yeah D.M.
Waders the word Nominees are Robert Castanza He's back No but Willingham man I find the fish We'll find new jobs My uh My vote would be for A combo vote Rarely Saint team vote For the Ben and Jerry's guys Pamer and Muscle Yeah it's I really like those guys Every scene they're in Two great job at them The whole And the fact that there is a scene In a blockbuster film From 1991 That hinges on those guys Pairing ice creams with different meals And people in the theatre Were probably like This is awesome Seamass Grilled Sautade I'm with you Potato's O'Grettin Sparrowness Rum raisin Wha- I almost put that in most of the watchable scenes But I knew we'd talk about it here It's just a riveting 90 seconds It's pretty funny I mean it's a great like parody Of the showdown in Western The flavors aren't even that exotic They're like Rum raisin It's like it's not like Now where it's like Reasling in pairs It's like pretty like basic flavors Asparagus It's just like what Is Josh Maustel To you More this guy from City Slickers One half of fake Ben and Jerry's Or Principal Max Anderson From Billy Madison He's more this guy to me Wow I also feel like he got Weirdly marketed corrected by Wayne Knight Big time He should have been a duressic Yes Yeah Recasting couch I'm just going to throw it out there Daniel Stern and Jeffrey Tambor Switch parts I have a better movie Yeah Yeah I have a recasting couch But it also bleeds into Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? Okay we'll save it for that Half-ass internet research Crystal came up with the idea For the movie while watching a TV show About middle-aged men going on Life-changing fantasy vacations Borrowed the plot from John Wayne's The Cowboys Hired out Chris's peeps low in Babaloo I don't like your uncles or something Um The actual quote from Billy here Ten-year-old Jake Making his film debut as Crystal's son Crystal recalls He was always performing He would sing from South Pacific And we'd go He's gay He's gonna be gay This is an actual quote That's something that's really crystal Yeah It's in the research Bruno Kirby Sound like you spent a year in a library Is it there? Google Research Google it Bruno Kirby Look at the internet I said this was half-ass The Crystal best day of my life Story actually really did happen 10 or 11 different cows were used as Norman Norman's birth scene Was shot in different states Great favorite scene The river crossing was the toughest to shoot Because the cows kept Mounting each other Yeah they did And then Crystal's daughter Was his real daughter Lindsey It was apparently a gem Okay I didn't know that but I will say When she showed up on screen I was like just casting I've ever seen my life Okay that makes a lot of sense Apex Mount Billy Crystal Yes Bruno Kirby No Young commensa Yeah Yeah I think I got a father too I got the gun The gun at the door frames With the narrow Yeah Dana staring unquestionably Yes Cattle Vacations and Macias Mm Cattle Vacations Cattle Vacation Well it depends on whether or not You consider Westworld a Cattle Vacation Ooh You know Good call Movie scenes with Running of the Bulls How many others are there? I don't know Gosh I can't think of any reason That's a real Hollywood flex We got to go shoot it And pebble for one scene in City Slicker And they really did shoot it Those guys were there and they were doing it I'm sure there's like a Historic I couldn't come up on the whole cinema That features the Running of the Bulls Are you fucking clown How'd you forget about this movie?
Jack Pounce It's got to be Shane for him I don't care that he won the ass He was in fucking Shane He's in the middle for five minutes He's a fucking bad guy in Shane Hell and Slater Obviously created the Internet of Magibility Janes to be her apex She was kind of floating around for a while She was in a really pivotal side Felt Supergirl She was Supergirl Love her Good career I was expecting more of a mutual appreciation Society for her From the both of you I feel like she checks a lot of boxes For Bill and Chris Patricia Wettig Definitely 30-something's going I just want you guys to know how much I hated 30-something and how much I made fun I've never heard about this Let's go Yeah, I've never seen my model of that I used to argue about it I used to do imitations of the characters You've got to open up to me Let me ask you a cancer A question If 30-something had come on like five years ago Do you think it would be like your favorite show? No No Because 30-something was annoying This movie is kind of Isn't a similar vein of storytelling though You know the sort of like Coming to grips but with no sense of humor The only sentimental TV show I ever liked was Party Five Those five boyfriends really got me That was the only sentiment Because otherwise the Corning sentimental TV show I got paid to break it to you There's some sentimentality in Miami Vice Bill That's fair That's gappy true what you just said That's the only sentimental Let me show this out Those like seventh heaven type shows I was just out on all those Did you like the first season of Grease and Adomy? No Do you find E.R. sentimental?
I guess not That's how E.R. is a good show But they're not different Like they could be sentimental Showing shows that their calling card was like I'm going to make you feel stuff Did you like six feet under? No What about my so-called life? Never really liked it that much Wow Freaks and Geeks?
Friday Night Lights Friday Night Lights is very sentimental That's a sports show though I mean this is a cowboy movie You can both be sentimental I don't know I feel like you're cutting the cheese a little thin here You guys can think what you want Picking knits I don't think anyone flips out at age 39 like this I think it should be like 46 That's when your body That's when you can't play sports the same way And that's when you really start feeling You're more totally different But okay Helen Slater Just not going on this trip by herself I'm not buying it Yeah Just no Yeah but For friend cancel She's like I'm going to do this anyway I'm just going to go with these What's your unbelievable in 91 Where you might like You don't have cell phones You get off the flight Like only the rich guys have the cell phone in this movie Right? And it's like you maybe get off the flight And you're just like I got my friend flaked She's not going to show up She's getting back on the plane Bruno Kirby married to a 25 year old lingerie model Sure I don't know You said he's got the look Yeah It's an alpha This is absurd that that woman would be like This guy's the best Yeah This guy runs a fucking sport in the sport Good sport Good sport In New York City I mean is it any less believable than at the end of City Slicker's Helen Slater being like Daniel Stern that's my guy Daniel Stern's about to be economically destitute Had that coming in And it's an incredibly troubling Slept with a 20 year old Yeah It didn't vary currently Nearly deep enough Right You bear somebody and you can see the hump Where the body is I'm pretty sure Stuff's going to pick that thing apart pretty quickly You really got to dig the hole I'll dig the fucking hole I think this first fucking hole I dug The legend of Curly's corpse Dig the hole Dig the hole better guys We needed to get Tommy D. Simone Down here And then this is my favorite one At the end The mind of Dolph and Sodor He's like hey we're going to give you a money back It's like oh thanks One of our tour guides just dropped that And the other two Try to kill us Picks for the refund Everyone cheers Oh yeah Rist our lives Picking your fucking cattle back Stick face So is this on answerable questions We can make it go there now So like how far are they from civilization? Like it just seems like they're just like Are they just is America like that Where you're like in In Southern Colorado And you're just like Mile like hours away from anybody else Well I think you are in certain parts Of like Wyoming, Colorado, Montana But furthermore If the Miami Dolph and Zoner lost those cattle Like is his life over?
Because he had I think his life would be over Because the literature wedding Would have sued him for a million dollars Or whatever Wow This is like not a business We're giving you your money back And everybody reacts like oh They're like actually running this back Terrible Jesus Um Any other picking the three guys we've mentioned I can't get over them that's that thing Yeah, well I would just also say That's how it goes It was wild to watch this And just see the centrality of baseball Still there We're like these guys arguing about Clemente versus Aaron But when they know the third baseman's name They argue Yeah, I mean like if it was today Would they be like The thing is that the nets are actually the perfect team For this day's NBA You know like You're like what would they be saying We don't appreciate LeBron and also Talking about player empowerment I kind of feel like movies could use that Honestly that's something that I enjoy about this movie though It's a little it's obviously feels very antiquated That they're still debating you It was like Billy Crystal was like Show me a time when Kyrie was wrong That'd be great Maybe they'll do that for city stickers Three I have an idea for that What? Can I tell you? So this is this is my big It was casting what it was my recasting catch was also the Ten episode Netflix series Yeah, where that's Did you categorize up right now? Yeah You can sort Gans and Mandel But I'm acting as their as their Like their ambassador here I see We're at least on a text writer It just says Gans and Babaloo Kyrie bit?
Yes Corny They're we have IP sitting on the table Yeah J.T.L. and Hall's character would be his dad's age now Um Danny Robbins hits the trail With his aging father Yeah Mitch, Mitchy the kid Oh so we had Crystal in Yeah And then and Crystal maybe Like we have him He's living out west Cause like after a while The Patricia Whiting thing Falls apart The horse You know She's miserable to be with Yeah and then Or he you know He's not exactly a barrel of fish Yeah He moves his smile He moves He moves out west He's a loner He falls They kind of lose their He becomes a Clippers fan And they lose to touch Danny and Mitch Yeah And Danny goes out west To do a cattle drive with his dad To reconnect How are we not doing this? A 30 year anniversary Cattle drive And we would just have to give Danny Something for Jake Gyllenhaal Like be interested in him Like he would have to have a twitch Or he would have to have like a Weird accent Or like a weird haircut Something to keep him interested Okay I have a Slight twist Yes notes Slight twist We get Gyllenhaal back But he's playing detective Loki From prison So he's investigating the murder Of Bruno Kirby At the hands of Mitchy the kid Who says no Say I thought your twist was Gonna be There's like a Brokeback Mountain Twister Oh yeah Right So he's with Curly jr And there's he sees the Spark And Curly Jaz Back here I see dollar signs I think it's gonna work And then he's like Dad what happened to Bruno Kirby Don't talk about him ever Shut your mouth Crystal would probably just be like We got Irishman this thing Me and Stern back on the horses Just D.A. just Is love it's back for this?
Yeah Doing Godfather 2 by the likes You and your Godfather 3 though This time Don't see city slickers too But go on YouTube And watch all the love it's Godfather 2 stuff It's really really really rocks out I like that Chris I like that idea Thanks man Probably an answer for questions Um Covered a couple of these What did they end up doing with Norman A cow in New York City How long? Like what did you have to guess How many weeks before everybody's like Hey this was done I think it goes to a petting too Immediately Not to split hairs But the moment that the kids were like Yeah let's put this calf in the back of our van And the wife's like Oh well I guess My husband's back And he brought a calf home And the speed with which they leave the airport Is shocking That's the weirdest thing That a single person could possibly do Nobody has more questions about Wait what? That's a cow That's a cow I didn't get the cow on the flight I know He tipped that guy pretty well though At the end You see that? That's just to show you Crystal's not cheap Well that was also like You could really hang out of the airport back then Which you did Smoking butts outside the airport Another answerable question Oh for people with their luggage You and Jeff Wells This is just for Sean You don't get to answer I did too I think he would I think Chris is fearless I think not maybe Lewis's life dangerously Sometimes fearless You do it Uh-huh Would you do it?
That's you know what that is It's like the 10th anniversary of Grandlin That's a fucking Grandlin piece He's like I would have just been like Well here's the thing I'm just a guy who likes to write You like go ahead But I try to avoid I would have been like We'll charge it to ESPN That's right Yeah we charge Chris's body and soul ESPN I try to avoid unforced errors Whenever I can in my life I'm trying to have a clean effect I'm getting bored And running with bowls is not on the list So you won't be Helicoptering on the top of mountains That you can only ski from If you land on a helicopter Huge fan of my life I really don't want to die So I won't be doing that I feel the same way As you can tell by the fact That I don't wear a seatbelt And you also don't believe in the one thing Yeah What piece of memorabilia Would you want from this movie? Probably the first script From Baba Lew and Lowell I would do that Fantasy would definitely do the fucking Metzat Yeah That would be a good thing What about Norman But in the shape of the field farm hero I was going to say curly sat I forgot to ask and answer A question is how palance had the cigarette So perfectly dangling But not burning Like whether you thought it was a stunt cigarette Or not I think it might have been Because there's a couple of times Where he's lighting it with a match And the wind and he's not like cupping it And it's like I really understand Yeah there's a lot of cigarettes You can't really I agree It's 40 years of Hollywood right there He's got it out of the mouth And it looks so realistic You don't question why it's not burning at all And why there's no smoke coming off it Would you retire to this part of the country? No Yeah No Okay I need to be near cities I need to be near an NBA franchise Yeah I don't know about that As much as restaurants and sporting events I mean how far are the Nuggets Really from this area That's right You can just ride Yokech games from there Ride on Norman Out of the game I voted for Curly Sad The Great Bill wrote a horse up to a Nuggets game Just like keep it close Who won the movie? I have Crystal Crystal Underwood Sean Right Right underwood I really want to talk about it For Apex bout The Meez on sin Of Ron Underwood Uh You're a trans ad here Kirby I mean it has to be Billy Crystal Yeah there can't be Billy Crystal was a box office superstar And almost an action star in this movie We never Craig mentioned the PETA thing We never talked about that Was do you think PETA was upset about this movie I don't remember reading anything about that That was definitely one of those things in 1991 That we just did not care about That would be like something today It would have been like For three days It would be like City Slickers Not going to get pulled from theaters Right I read that the Cattleburthing scene They used to pop it Right So Obviously that was not That was graphic It was graphic More graphic than I remember Oh I had one more thing I skipped over accidentally The Helen Slater A.
How did she end up Liking Daniel Stern B. Why didn't Chris Isiro set up the scene Which is them in the campfire At two in the morning Scupling Connecting in some way That it would have made sense At the end they're like hanging out together They have no interactions I actually watch carefully this time Well the truth is that She's probably a pretty reckless person You know what I mean She already went on this Cattle Drive by herself She meets a guy on the Cattle Drive And then gets in a cab with him on the way home Even though his life is going down the toilet She left with the Ben and Jerry guys And then never hangs out with these With anybody again But now has decided she's sharing a cab with Daniel Stern I know It's very odd Chris Gans and Mendelvin live in your guesthouse For the last 10 years Should we bring him in? Ask him about this How much? Can you go through there?
How much money do you think they made? I never understand I have no context for writers with scripts Whether you could tell me they made 100 million dollars You could tell me they did very well off Parenthood They were also big time punch up guys They took a lot of jobs That's in the 90s and 2000s That's how Goldman made all his money Yeah, so I mean they wrote a bunch of movies That I think we all really like I mean Night Shift is their first movie I love that They go from Night Shift to Splash Okay, you know Night Shift? Really? Yeah I don't know if Night Shift is age-grade Conceptually I like Night Shift a lot The prostitution ring being run out of a morgue I just want to run Howard's first big movies as a director So from there working him with Run Howard Splash Spies like us, Gung Ho The Money Pit I like all of those movies Parenthood, City Slickers And then a League of their own after City Slickers Wow And then Mr.
Saturday Night, not so great And then Greedy That's a Bill and Sean Classic City Slickers do Paycheck Forget Paris That's a great Starting to get rough here Multiplicity Oh Father's Day That's still Liar Liar uncredited According to MTV Still struggling here Ed TV Yeah Where the heart is Fever Pitch Oof That's pretty much it There's like Fiverr, which fever pitch That's what Jimmy found Oh, you hate that right? So they made too much money And then they were good after that Yeah, you gotta stay hungry They were also TV writers for years Before they were on Laverne and Shirley and stuff like that That's how they knew like Penny Marshall and stuff right? Yeah, they did very well Yeah, well now that they've been Chris's guest Suck, you know, you can fall fast It's not even the big guest house No, it's hardly a It's a shed really That's it for the rewatchables this week City Slickers Weird movie Chris Chalk, great to see you as us