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but i know in the peaks only one of us pick the texas right bye that's how it was and i said why yo y'all talking about you this week that's why i think that's okay the big ones like that yeah man Saita straw prove a lot of haters and d BEHALL a lot of them, especially on Danny Hip Hop, man. We talking to you, man. And a little bit of Nick. Did Nick, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. See there a little bit. Okay. And nevertheless, he came up with an upset win over the Bangles who were rolling.
Yes. And he did it on the road in style. So it's CJ, now a leading MVP candidate after this win. And they said I was crazy when I said he's top 10 in the lead last week.
But now we're talking MVP. Right. I don't think... Come on, man.
I don't think Sam Thompson in the lead says much in the world. He like, take a quarterback in the lead. You tripping. It's not.
He's not as good as he is in one of them. He doesn't mean to. He's telling me to. He's telling me to.
So, Mahomes and Taylor. Nah. Yeah, Mahomes and Burrow. I still put Burrow to two.
I didn't mean I couldn't depend on him. Last place. You know that right? He's not in the playoffs either.
Go in in the giving Sunday. If you told me you could have one or two quarterbacks to win the game, I got trust in them. Those are the only two that I'm taking out of all the quarterbacks and me. Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow.
Even not the ones that's done it. Joe Burrow done the same thing and Taylor Hersh is done. Win Joe Burrow and anyone. And lost in the playoffs.
The question about CZ Strout to get back to the production. I would say MVP kind of definitely rookie of the year. That's easy. That's a one away.
Why not MVP? And the thing about him is that when it's the time to show up, it's when he shows up. It's not like he's been playing traffic the rest of the game. It's been great all the game.
But every single time that he put the ball in his hands to try to win the game, that's what he's doing. Let me just want to talk to you. I have no idea. Let me ask you this.
Are you saying no around? Are you saying that at the end of the year based off whatever, it don't matter if he makes the playoffs or it doesn't matter if they win the division or not, just him playing that well. He should be an MVP candidate. The reason I say no is I don't think that that team is going to continue to win.
And I don't think that an MVP quarterback is going to be on a non-play-off. 100%. I think they make the playoffs. What happens if they're not?
They're going to be here to do stuff? Yeah, they are. I don't know. They're going to get that.
They are. The Texans are leaving the division. The Texans are leaving the division. The Texans are the coaches.
All of them are five or five. The Texans are the coaches. They've got similar records. He doesn't.
To me, they make the playoffs with him because I agree with that. And everybody has to be in playoffs. He can't be in playoffs. If we're talking about this week's 18 or whatever, they wildcard, I agree with you.
He definitely made the playoffs. He's in the playoffs right now. He's in the playoffs. And because no other quarterbacks are good.
This year, other than the two. I'm going to say, no. No. I'm going to say, I don't need a list.
Oh, probably. I'm going to say, you love it. It's one game, but it's a pass. So I'm saying that.
He's the part of the two. And I'm not saying that. He didn't even better team. He didn't even better team, but my point is, is it's up and down.
Now, you can say, you know, that's all he's got. He's got a guy who's going to be pecan, where he has to get a game like that. Or at least show up and get a game like that. Like I said, I can't knock him for the other game.
The game, we can put him for one out of nine. But doesn't it make like, when he does it in a bigger game than the other game, then I'm like, show him, like, okay, he is too many. He doesn't look, he's definitely not even like, I'm not arguing. That's that point.
But at the end of the day, if he moves with the game, he's not going to know that he's going to talk about that. But he's winning the game. And you give a credit for that. Still, you're missing any people in the voting standing.
To be mentioned among the home, you can't have a game like that. You just can't. And especially when you're outside like that, you're going to get about standing, what he's doing is to be commended. And you should be in that race.
It's not going to come to the guy that's going for the high. You know they're not going to win, but they get that mentioned because of how they're kind of hanging with each other. Like, hey, you know what I mean? No.
Would you give, right now would you give AJ Brown MVP overshot? AJ Brown. AJ Brown. You know, I hate to say this too, as a coach.
Like I discussed, I can't go with you. I hate to be a beat, bro. He was third in some projections that I saw. He ain't like five straight games, 125-foot shorts.
First time that's been done, he's been doing a really good job this year. Receivers rarely, if ever, what was the last time we were at the MVP? They're 2,000 yards here. So he has 1,000 yards and six touchdowns.
Yeah, I think CJ's right with you. That's a lot. MVP, I'd have to see how he does. They got some tough division games against the Jaguars coming up.
They play the Broncos who are now formidable. They play the Titans again. They play the Browns, which is a tough defense. They play the Titans twice.
So that's going to be tough to win both of those games just like the season against the division opponent. They play the coach. They ain't with the coach with five or five. Who knows how they got five wins.
So these last eight games, it doesn't mean a lot to see what he does to continue to leave his name in the conversation. Yeah, and I think he can win most of those games. The way this game was playing. Yeah.
In the conference right now, the Buffalo. Yeah. You got the lowest ratio of all quarter. Oh, you got to give him so much flavor.
Two interceptions, 18 touchdowns. That was the big one that he threw. He was going to go around. He was going to go for the Cowboys.
Look at him. We didn't go for nothing. Got that man looking like a young country out there. He's going to run all over these players.
It is crazy how open he's been in the precise throws and the throws. But he dropped a dime. He ain't just he ain't just completing pass. He's like, I'm like, man, this is crazy.
And this is crunch time. He's doing the same. This ain't the same first quarter, you know, easy part of the game. He's doing it when it matters most.
And it's been really, really, really impressive. Yeah, we got to get many of them. We get to hear from many. Many, many loves to shit on people and then disappear.
Yes, sir. I would like to hear what he has to say about that. But yeah. So shout out to the SIDX driver, Ben.
I'm happy for him. He's definitely playing really, really, really well right now. And way better than the bright young. And I was hoping we had some bright young conversations, a question in here.
But it is not. So I might have to say that for later because he didn't get in the pass, bro. No, I don't see one over here. I'm talking about on the docket.
Maybe we want in the... Oh, we have a question about that. About the Panthers. Yeah, we're going to get to that.
We're going to get to that. All right. Moving on. Let us go to the Browns of all people.
You get this one too, Nate. Yep. The Browns took out the Ravens on the road. And the Ravens were hot.
We're whipping up on everybody. Washing came back. And whooped up on them? You know, football.
Who needs this win? They played Thursday. Who needs this win? More.
The Ravens or the Bengals? I think I'd say the Bengals. And the reason being is, once again, the Ravens in the first place in the division right now, the Bengals aren't last. So their playoffs hopes they're hanging on by three as it is.
You cannot lose this game to the Ravens. You've already lost to them once. You can't lose to the Ravens. You can't lose to the Ravens.
You can't lose to the Ravens. You can't lose to the Ravens. You can't lose to the Ravens. You can't lose to the Ravens.
You've already lost to them once. You can't not afford to lose another game against them, especially in primetime like this. They lose this game. Your playoff hopes are super slick.
So you got to make up something that grounded. You got to start this week. You have to. There's another divisional game.
So whoever that team, if you lose this game, whoever wins that game takes another step ahead of you, which pushes you further down the docket. So you cannot lose this game. Yeah, I agree. By the way, Rob, I'll get to that.
I was just talking about this show. He's beginning a pass on this show. But back to Thursday night football, yeah, of course, it's the big. You lose to a rookie.
You can't lose to a rookie. I mean, okay, I'm good. It is, you know, especially in that fashion, you got to win that game. Yeah, you are at home.
And this is what happens when you start off slow losses. They hurt a little bit more. So the bingo started off slow. They have to go on a win streak, which they did.
But then you have to kind of maintain it and you got to beat the teams you need to beat in order to maintain it. And, you know, when you get based against tougher competition, then you got to show up and beat them as well. But you can't lose games like they did against the Texans. You know, so and shit, whoo.
Strout has been the Steelers and he's been the Bengals as he played the Browns and the Ravens. Yeah. I think he lost it anyway. But he going through the AMC.
But anyway, we got the bingles. They lose this game trouble. Yeah, most win game for them. Simply because like Sheldon said, Ravens in first place, they got a little bit, but not a lot of room to spare.
And the bingles don't come as casual. Like they got to steal a slice. They got the Chiefs. They got the Browns again, who they can't beat.
It's not a lot of games going into it where you can say, okay, they're going to win that one. or they should win that one. Like all of these are going to be dog fights. And it starts with the Ravens on Thursday night.
But with that being said, as I spoke of the borough, I got more faith in him winning this game than I do with my Jackson. After last week's performance, and it's been consistent over the last six games with my Jackson. He's been doing a lot to help them lose games in the fourth quarter. They've been able to overcome because of the defense.
I just have more faith in Joe Burrow in a big game than I do with my Jackson. I don't disagree with everybody. Especially with the bagels man. I forgot.
This is season on the line. This is season on the line. I agree with everybody. I had to say, you have a big guy like you said, Sheldon, they already lost the Ravens once.
Can't afford to lose again if you're going to be in the playoff race right now. And then Jamal, I mean, he's not. He was out this past week. And he's not getting hit with nothing at all anyway.
Because Tyler Boyjock is a big touchdown. Oh my God. You know what I'm saying? And then also, yeah man.
Bangles are in muscle in mode right now. Was that Taylor back on the house seat? Yes. He's always been on the house seat.
Fuck me. Not a good event. He is absolutely on the house. He's in the city.
It's too slight. Come on. I can never really stay with you. He's got to go.
You got to go. Damn, bro. Yeah, it's going to be a great game. And I, you know, I, I, the big ones don't make a playoff.
He got to come back, bro. I fly. You got to run it. You got to run it.
You're going to play off. You're doing yourself from your house. I got to do it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Because it ain't looking good. Yeah.
You know what you're spiking? The Ravens bro, like they've been dominant because of defense. And then like, you can't lose to the Browns, bro. I'm just, and especially because they, they, they blow away.
They dominated with the first hand. They were killing it. They were killing it. You look like, okay, it's over.
I ain't got to check back to this. Right. The Rams only to stop going to it like just cut out. Yeah.
We had 11, something yards in the fourth part or something like that. Somebody said it was, somebody said it was, it was, it was, that was a blowout. It was, I'm, but then one of our players. Don't, don't say that when we talk about Watson.
Yes. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nothing for Watson.
But, but yeah, that was, that was a tough loss. I was going to get on many by that too. Because many of them were talking about how Trash, they, they win this by the Watson. I said, did you watch the second hand?
Cause he was perfect in the second hand. That was the Watson that they signed. That was the one they gave the guarantee. Yeah.
The two would have played for the Texas. That was the first time we seen him in like four years. Yeah. He's been pretty sore, man.
He had no. I'm sure he had. Yeah. Yeah.
He's got the bunch of kicks out, man. So if he maintains this, does that make the Browns scarier? Cause they still even run the ball with your own board. One of them said they are.
That one two punches looking really, really good. It would have been much better. Man, this would have been really trouble if Nick had got hurt. But if you have got hurt, this would have been something else.
You're right. They are that much more scary. But, I don't know if he's practicing for the rest of the week. I don't know if he's practicing for the rest of the week.
I don't know if he's playing this week. Oh. Oh. I kind of rolled him up on his ankle.
Close to the end of the game. And he got a best defensive player. Right now. He's MVP candidates.
He has to be. Too different. Yeah. He's coming up towards Michael Parsons on even above now.
That is a ranked MVP pick. He says elect. MVP is my Salvier He is Bsimpo miles game. Tremory.
I don't think is a disconnectinaing. Low fall ball game. This is down. He's not going to cost nothing.
Follow the winning footballer from merge to have. I'm willing. I was Gary is like I don't think it's a different I just think that TJ is number two. Yeah, I will put prices in number two But I know he's not put TJ is because the stats are there and he's like in anemic offense.
Yeah, he's had win games to I was right Right now. No, you're talking about who's Gary? That's the story. Yeah, no one time as far as production goals You got to get TJ's credit because then president's ain't no jokes.
They max cross. There's another one. Yeah, she's a lot of credit to he should be That's how to everything those those those four guys to me they dominate the sport as far as the defensive side about it's Morgan pass versus gonna be a quarterback. It is it is His mode game changing pass versus in quarterback.
Did you see that Tim rookies has started the game this year? This year really yes, and what's yeah? It is in six of them would wrap it after the third round a couple of them having undrafted quarterback I didn't add man the white boy in Chicago that yeah And love Vegas during Thompson Robinson and Cleveland started the game There's been a few of them he was terrible again, too I hate that because a lot of kid but it's been 10 rookies started a quarterback this year That is interesting. Um, maybe they're trying to get some of these old guys out of there.
Um, but yeah, um He loaded guns like no he loaded it back up Yeah, so he ready to come on firing Man they put a they put a they did a they did a thing to Jaguar's bro. They make trouble a terrible This was like this was not necessarily a trap game, but coming off the losses that they did and about week Like you know that they were ready to jump on their boys Yeah, and they they did they mess out of the Jaguars and they made Trevor Lawrence look terrible Um, and you know, you know the guy want to know man is Trevor Lawrence overrated and is the team doing the carrying for him So, you know, is he just nothing but as Nick like to pull it a rich man's rock-perter Which is crazy Yeah, no he look they was ready and they went into jags wasn't three points all game, you know, I'm saying look sometimes that type of stuff happens I'm not making no excuses But let's be honest sunshine is one of the better quarterbacks in NFL like he's way above the fray when you look at a whole bunch of teams Outside of Kansas City outside of Baltimore outside of the Cincinnati outside of the Chargers You're taking that quarterback and Jacksonville over everybody else outside of Josh Allen to to that list and Josh dogs Not him Like he's way above the fray the shit happens Are they gonna make the playoffs that's really the only question that matters? Yeah, are they gonna make the playoffs is gonna play good enough down the stress? That's all that matters they are this type of game That's one of these games, you know what you hide it put away in the vote forget about it and just move on 185 yards 58% Complete percentage two interceptions and cost me a fantasy football match Yeah, just lock it up put it away forget about it.
It's there's nothing that you're gonna learn from that game Well, has he learned anything from any of these games because right now? Yes, we 100 yards non touchdowns and sits in exception You about to get ditched on my team. Yeah, I love her game back. Yeah, so I thought I might have to start him You know, you know got a game you got a big system.
Thank you. Hope you hope you hope you got game without it It's from a trouble large just last year. He was like, oh, that's the guy who's gonna be breaking through to the top Yeah, he's gonna play off wins He bought a comeback in the playoffs thought this would be the year that it broke and it went out and it got more weapons and And Doug Peterson supposed to be there dude. Yeah, we got to put some play.
We got to put some blame on on Lawrence I'm not saying the only reason we say he's the top three again I'm gonna keep saying it's oh show the quarterback's so bad Like the only reason we put trouble or it's in the top half with that everybody else's Everybody else sucks Score down in the field office is down. Yeah, I play as terrible. They don't do something to fix that in all See what can they do? The rules are already catered to the offense and scoring I think is the lowest it is being in the last seniors They go big they're gonna happen say people are like watching games with 16 to 19 Jags offenses been disappointing so far thought T law would be much more consistent with the improved weapons.
You make the point Yeah, that's the biggest thing I was gonna say about it is inconsistency. That's it's not his talent isn't it? We know the boys talented. We know he could do things on the field It's just about consistency weekend and we got those games should be more of a challenge as opposed to like, you know He played a cheese and you lay a egg you play 49ers you lay a egg these big games You got the same thing with two they got to show up in these games when it matters the most not you know Not rolling over some of these weaker teams.
You got play against the same thing with that somebody's over You got to play in these big games is He's supposed to be the office of guru He's supposed to be a quarterback whisper he's the reason like they bought him in that helped your own It doesn't seem like he's done anything differently from urban matter. Yeah, I mean well He's not Not be their first place so you really can't once again It's still a saying much in the week of division like that, but you can't really say he's done some stuff But still he gets about 30% of that blame I get I put more trouble more because Trevor ain't a rookie anymore He's been in the league and he's been starting he's seen almost every FEL team now So it ain't like this is new you know I'm saying at this point It's about going on their execute playing football you should have a snowball effect when you're a vet in the league And this point he's a vet I think some of it got to do a scheme to like the Jaguars with the talent that they have and we've all said it The trouble Lawrence obviously is talented Doug Peterson should be doing something different like something about their offense should look better It looks basically look boring three points against the 49ers though We know that's an incredible defense. I got Trevor Lawrence and I got supposedly a great play call and three great receivers Like I put some Trevor Lawrence is a lot responsible But I do put some blame on peers because that was what he can't That's what you hear for your exes and old coach you supposed to be brilliant and have scheme and all these things and none of that really has played out I think they made it as far as they made it last year based off Trevor Lawrence down It was supposed to be the mission of the two now. I got my scheme in Doug Peterson now You wish you show you talented use once and play off games.
It should be it should look a lot better It should look a lot more fluid and it does well They gotta fix it because I thought trouble is gonna break out this year. Yeah, and he does not break it down Um We talked about breaking down A lot of that that happened especially the last part of this game last night that I had on we were doing our Manage rap so I had the game on watching a little bit of the game. I'm doing a little draft thing whatever It was it was terrible. It was terrible.
The Buffalo Bills and different Broncos play in a toilet bowl For my night football and Josh Allen was absolutely horrible so bad. He lost a Russell Wilson who was even damn near worse than Yeah, he had that throw though. That throw was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That was nice every once in a while, you know, you'll pop up but after a thing like that man It's Josh are we doing here?
We see all the top five he got yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been they've been throwing jobs out so much bail I'm so sick of the bail. He's been getting we talk about making excuses for players and get all that I saw so many they posted in the group chat This this losses not a Josh Allen they find King Dorsey today all this extra stuff They bitch James Cook for the for that for one for the first form of the year And I'm like looking out like they're giving this man so many excuses and they said now Here's the problem I have with that. They sent James Cook for a quarter and a half almost two quarters He comes out and rest for a hundred yards after that. It looks like a healthy no What if he had been out there playing during that time maybe a couple of them first downs Yeah, he did not the other one was just Alan's problem But the thing about it is you if you're gonna punish him if you're gonna hold him accountable How we not go hold Josh Allen countable and at this point he is getting big we saw and we saw the tweet We saw all of y'all saw but we seen the tweet where Trayvon did say you know get 14 nobody there That ain't come from and I said it one of my boys said you know, you know, he probably gonna jump on his brother for tweet that He told him to he probably sitting next to him.
He probably was one of the text Yeah, he got like he probably was one of the man who I'm tiredest dude and then he came right back in text right after that He said tweet right after that Josh Josh, you know, he said, oh boy. What who he was the my brother got there So basically like he was he was trans to my brother got there And it's just it's just crazy to me how nobody's holding him accountable Step on did he got what his lowest targets of the year. He only had three catches. This is your number one weapon I'm throwing him 20 times in the game.
That's coaching. That's your quarterback. That's everybody once again They throwing a bill man. He got to be held accountable for these turnovers once again He's been leading too long to be throwing them in the substance and making the Broncos defensive gave up 70 look like world And they play good like six games.
They got a decision I was saying they play really really good, but he didn't help the cause with some of those throws If I was trying to figure out the defense was good. Yeah, he's like all the blades and I let Russell lose the game for him Yeah, I agree with you I think in the mainstream media Josh Allen has not gotten any of the flag that he would get if he was any other quarterback Because he always went away right home. They want him to be the next best name They want him to overtake my homes, and it just doesn't look like that's gonna happen However, I would put a lot of blame on that coach man. He's terrible.
Yeah, McDermott like Not only does noise need to go you might need to just go ahead and get rid of him and cut your bank and start looking for a better replacement We didn't boys have a dermis run out of assistance to blame with the number Yeah, exactly But he was gonna lose regardless because they want wasn't gonna get ahead coach I'm gonna do what he did with Josh Allen. Hey, Bob might be looking at the T leads in New York and want to go back to I was able I would definitely go to manager and be like hey look kid I like look at my other options this offseason Yeah, because this is not what I signed up for especially if they go make him take your mans again Yeah, if they go If I was they boy seriously If they drop the quarterback I want this year yeah in some management to eat the fucking calls cuz y'all don't ask this Hey, this other guy. Oh, you know I'm saying so outside of that I'm I'm asking management if I could look at other teams and shit This might be a place I might want to go back to that coach I was looking seriously to try to reconnect with me because it been german is not it don't work And we know Josh Allen the salutant I don't want you to be able because he's been terrible However, we do see he is a lead talent when he has the right coaching. He went those dudes that have a perfect system He's a he's out of the top five just yet, you know, he's he's playing bad I think it kind of goes what you were saying earlier is like, you know quarterback's a bit so bad that you're like You know, it's maybe just in there because we can't find anybody else gonna be that deserves to be in there So, you know, so but so I think he's there, but I got it.
Maybe could get some consideration There's a guy in Detroit. Oh, yeah, go Oh, yeah, he's he's on the down That was a great guy All the lions are the lines to give in no are the lines the second best team in NFC no And best fourth and best y'all look I get hurt hell of a day to beat the third best team in NFC Was there they are third or fourth and all the reason I say that is because I don't think they can be the 49ers I know they can't be the Eagles. They can't do cowboys. I don't think we'll see later on But I don't think so that defensive cowboys with not let them get off like I think they could be the Cowboys If not a big, the way they're giving a point to them.
Not the way they're giving a shoot out. No, no. That can't even stay for a second. Because that charges defense was awful.
They still had a chance and should have won that game. Few people I trust that against, but Jerry Dauff is one of them. Jerry Dauff is one of the people that I will have full trust that the color press guy can beat. Yeah, Mike Price is going to beat him in the ground.
They're going to play it all day on the shoot too. I think, man, look at these, man. Listen, this, I, man, you know what? They prove you guys wrong all year.
Yeah. Yeah. Before the season started, y'all talking shit about him. Steel are, yo.
That's just my game. I think I'm going to pick the lose though. When we did the picks, when we got some A-naught, the guys. What big game did they have?
What game did they have? That big game that we was expecting, but this is the last chance to show up. They didn't show up. Who was it?
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wasn't it?
Last week we were having a conversation. BK. BK. No, no, no, no.
It was about records. Right. How about me? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes. You're talking about the ****. That was me. That was you.
That was me talking about the Ravens. The Ravens. Because I said they had the best record over the last couple weeks. Yeah.
And then where the record says that they are better. Right? Yeah. Uh huh.
Uh, well, based on that logic, it's moving to these shows. Right now the line is out of the third best record in the lead and tied with the Kansas City Chiefs. And the lead. They do.
They do. They got. You said the teams below now. I looked at, you know, I look at these games.
I look at these games. I'll be remembering the ****. Yeah, you do. You do the ****.
Yeah, Chuck. And we can't count to the one. We can't know. Yeah.
Yeah. They're running for you. I'm going to talk about this a lot earlier. And the rest of these games.
They've been too close. Yeah, alright. Trying to make it. Trying to make it make sense in.
All right. I want to be the lines of once again, like they have to absolutely fall apart right now tonight might be playoffs. And so you also don't feel that can was a trash bill? Yes.
Yes. Yes, man. That was a clutch. That was a close call.
I did not like the call what he went for it on for down. I would have went on to kick that field goal. Luckily worked out for them. He hit the floor over the middle.
I don't know if y'all remember that play. different results. They went for it and for the first time I've taken the field goal. That was a gutsy call and I give them credit for gutsy calls but you know people ain't managing any games.
What you giving Dan, like what's Dan Campbell breaking? So for me the first feisty, the first thing that I look for the coach is how hard are the guys going to play for him. Regardless of X's and those, do they believe in that man? Because a leader of men you have to have buy-in from 95% of the people in that locker room and Dan Campbell has that.
He is fiery, that's his style of coaching but you know even when they were bad we saw that team like play hard as hell. How much coach are you doing those people? You know what head coaching is overseeing? It's not necessarily ex-enotes.
It's the CEO of the talent. It's Eric Liam's thing. And that's fine. At the end of the day the coach's job, part of his job is to hire the assistant coaches that are going to connect with that staff and it's your job to oversee that.
So me he does an amazing job as a head coach. I'll give him credit for changing the coach. Okay. I can't give him but I couldn't mention him in the same sentence as coaches like Kyle Shanahan.
I 100% agree because they train a lot to the table. Yes, because of the manic standing. Those are teachers. Right.
Okay. You know what I'm saying 100% okay so we're talking about the next level, not those guys. Yes, he's not. He's not Shanahan.
He's not. Yes. 100%. So y'all think that these guys are contenders.
So my time of right now is my time of right now is my time of right now. My time is on the ex-no-guy but he don't make sure that it is we come to compete. You think they're contenders? No.
The guys are going to lose the first playoff game that they play. God. You know what I mean? That's one of the things they want to play on game.
I know. What are you what are you what are you what is your expectations of this team based on what you've seen? My expectations just were them to compete with the day last year and get to the playoffs again. Get to the playoffs and prove the last year and I think they're reading those expectations.
How far are you going to play offs? Yeah, they'll do that. But how far are you thinking? They'll do that.
They'll do that. They'll do that. They'll do that. I guess I guess I was looking at the grand scheme of things like how far could they go?
They'll make the playoffs but you think they're how far are you going to play? That's the question because there's a lot of things that can't get far but are a playoff thing. Realistically they win the NFC North. That puts them in either the second or third playoff position.
So they'll play maybe the bottom first round right? Nope. The first y'all the Eagles if things continue to play out the way they do the Eagles had a first round by. That puts the Lions at the 2C playing maybe the Seahawks maybe the Rams maybe the Vikings maybe the Cowboys maybe the Saints maybe the Bucks maybe the Falcons.
They can be all those things. They lost the Seahawks. I wouldn't want to see the Vikings right now. And it's an individual.
I can see the Vikings playing with it. We need to get to that. I can see the 5C playing the Lions at the 2C and being upset because of the familiarity being in the same division. I can see that.
All right well I got to be. Let's move on. That is a lot of the NFL stuff that happened this week. We got some basketball to talk about.
Yeah we got some basketball to talk about and we want to talk about the Timbowles. Oh, sure. They are definitely off to a hot start. So you guys think that Ant-Man will lead them into a playoff run even without Pat Bev of all people.
Yeah. That's crazy. I hope so man. That's my favorite player to lead right now.
Ant-Man is my favorite player to lead. I like the exchange. Him and Drae my head the other night. Drae my try to call him out.
Try to point him a little bit. He can't right back. He's 30 and take all the little shit to the locker room that you talking about. I love it.
Ant-Man is my guy. Look I was trying to tell how much people included my brother. He just got back from traveling from a very long time. And he told me usually if I was wrong about Ant-Man.
He was talking about the mentality he had when he was on the USA team. I told him I love the fact that when they were trying to bring him off the bench he told Steve Kurt straight to his face. They ain't no coach. He ain't no duet.
He went on the best person on the team. I'm the best player on the bench. That's not a bad thing to say. No.
Not at all. That's the attitude that I have. Damn. That's what he was saying.
That's what he said. Because who else? It's not like the book is on the squad. You know it's not like you have an elder states man in my position.
I'm the best guy you got. And what he was doing in the USA team is he was their closer. We're seeing that now. We're seeing it translate.
I was talking about these players that go play USA basketball. The great ones come back and they improve on what they did not only the regular season but what you saw in the USA basketball. Yeah Kobe Carmelo. Kobe Carmelo was only the rant.
No three came back and went much better basketball. 100 said. What we're watching Antman do is elevate himself to be in the top three contention in the league. He is positioning himself to be one of the faces of the league.
Obviously John Miranda fucked that up last year. So it leads the door open for an American born player right now. I would say Jason Tatum is probably the most favorite but Antman is not down that door. Yeah.
There's a lot of up and saying that Jason Tatum is the best USA born player right now in the league. Damn. And I would and I would retort to that. That's saying down down.
USA is a little down. USA is a little down. We got a bar. Oh, this is a big ball.
Still crazy. 100 which is insane. Which is insane. Yeah.
I told you anybody else you take all the other players that lasted to you 21 put all this together. We're not equal to the wrong. That's crazy. Last couple of games for Antman 33 against the Warriors 28 against the Spurs 26 against the Felix 38 against the Celtics 31 against the Jets.
And that's first game. You have to write it right in. What I like is that those are leading to wins. You know and that matters.
And you know I don't think keep this up. Keep going. Keep it the playoffs. I'm wondering though like when does he ascend?
When does he cross over into the mainstream? That was my next question. Do y'all think he go make the same mistake? And to your question too, can you go make the same mistake as he did?
What do you do? What do you do? So let me address that right? Because there's a business aspect to the shit where you're going to stay on the team you're drafted on at least a minimum of five to six years just the way that the way the contracts are done.
When you're a first round pick a lottery pick you have a two plus two or two plus one depending on where you're drafted. So that's a guarantee you four to three or four years on that team before you re up. When you re up you're not going to deny that first So that's to kids point and we're talking about a sense and you have it. You've seen this happening KG.
You've seen him putting up triple doubles for years. Go to the playoffs even make it to the Western Conference Finals. I think when I had Sam and Sal. He didn't get that decision until he left and went to Boston and was able to win 100%.
That's why we were clamoring for him to leave in Minnesota. What? It's like cross over to the mainstream. But he crossed over to the mainstream when they called him the big ticket.
You know why? Because he signed the biggest contract in NBA history at that point in time. Which was 210 million. Hold on.
So he was drafted by that team. Obviously they can reopen for the most. You're going to stay in that first real. The thing about staying in a place too long is can they get the guys around you.
Obviously Minnesota has made a major mistake with how much they gave up to get Rudy go bare. Because now the future is a little bear. In my opinion, trade cat now because his value isn't necessarily going to go any higher than what it is. Get some of those assets back and help your team right now because it's no longer his cat team.
And yes cat is a six foot eleven seven foot guy. I don't think you will. And that's fine. Set his ass to New York or something.
I guess I have kind of an old school thinking with this before. And I see what you're saying from a financial standpoint. And I know all the games are streamed nowadays. So you don't really have to be in a large market.
However going back to Ken's original question, I would have to think if Anthony Edwards play for the Knicks or Lakers or Big Philadelphia, that's not going to be different. That means it'll be in New York. They'll be in New York. They'll be in New York.
They'll be in New York. I Is it for top three in the lead and which could be top three in the league that's the difference No one game in NBA and then we got primetime games, right? Because he's super smart him is up there. It wasn't necessarily the same way coming out of UGA No, I love and I said this nigga is D way with a jump shot and bigger and I was Stuff kind of popped off because mark Jackson said what he said Yeah, it's starting to be proven right And This is for the clips is how you cross over the people's living rooms and you become a household name do it in the playoffs The way from cat is gonna be they should I know I'm seeing cat right now to make that team better I just think yes from an organizational standpoint.
It makes first of all no sense. I have cat and Rudy go We knew that when they made the trade He told him that was his team He said after the fourth game look so Jeff T on his podcast was talking about one of the coldest dudes was cat He said when he first got to the team they play open Jim He's like you'll cat can fucking do it all different handle the ball shoot the three everything's like god damn like we're gonna have Good season boom Jimmy say yo cat and Wiggins is their team. I would just do everything else They they do what they gotta do and I would do everything else by game for Jimmy said Man, he's like it's not what I thought So so at the end of the day cat is a good piece, but he is a number two or number three guy on the championship He's not the guy so in my opinion where you are now is get the future assets and get guys that can help you win now You know because yeah cat is playing better defensively this year But because you gave up so much to get over it almost forces you to get rid of cat Because you're not gonna win a championship with this team. He's just not yeah, and we've seen can play us And that's that story just don't look good.
So we see it is the same as a day Since we are since we talked about songs. Let's get to some greatest hits. Oh We're talking about the failures and how things look in the playoffs. Oh, we know how that story unfolds right now They are currently the best team in the East they beat the Celtic which had claimed to that title Yeah, they were two of the best team in the East and they won that match up a team that they have historically struggled with And definitely struggle with in the playoffs, you know, wow back Matt see is playing crazy.
Just put up it. I don't so now that Martin is gone has that As him leaving make them better. Yes, sir Hardin more hard than anything. Yes, this ain't coaching.
That's making this just opening things up so the floor is open That's coach so maxi can do well. That's that's it's allowing Me right, but it's allowing maxi to maximize his talent maxi maxi every time that I would look at him and evaluate him He seemed to me that the one that should be on ball and James harden need to be off ball And I said that on this time I said James harden needs to be more too than one Why and I said it last year he can't turn the corner, you know how I know because I can't turn the corner no more I go out here play basketball But I was able to do once upon a time and get a pick and get somebody just on my hip and turn that corner Attack the big James hard can't do that at an elite level consistently anymore Do we see as and flows of course because he's still a great player? He's still an NBA player He's still a shit to a degree. Yeah, he can do it again So people but he can't do consistently what we're seeing of Tyree's maxi is you're not as quick as me You're not as strong as me.
You're not like me I have to worry about you have to worry about getting this 20 some shots a day I'm being in attack mode and obviously like I've always said when you have a big what is the best compliment to a big a little man That can control the game and not only hit open three create shots not only for himself but for others But first and foremost is attack the basket Why because it leaves joy the beat open for second chance points for a lot of opportunities So what they have now in terms of that duo is better than the trio with James hardy because James hardy doesn't understand his position We have a point guard and a big man. I need a guy off the ball That's gonna shoot primarily catches you and I need you to play defense We saw it we saw it last year with Tyree's maxi He was coming around into that role and deserved more of a leadership role And you seen it now and in the other guys the others are stepping up to what's other Harris the my hair is Right now James hardy partially, but what it does is it allows people to fit in the role Yeah, it's free of the bias Harris is a catching shoot guy that could take advantage of smaller guys trying to guard him And he can somewhat guard the guys at his position. Yeah that allows him to just do that So now you got a point guard guys my showing the game you have the MVP in terms of a big now You have a six ten to six eleven guy that can that can spread the floor and knock it down and get open shots You got Melton who's playing well, you got a lot of guys never feeling right now They just look like a cozy they lost a night to Indiana, but Yeah, I had a burden on the fire Did you hear what he said that allows him to improve his NBA IQ was that NBA 2k I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I say my man for Really look that's right was great for both sides. I still think about the six is though I'll give him these much props is this team as constructed strong enough to compete.
Yes, I could compete they definitely can Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what beauty boss and fulfill is Joellen B go out school average at 40 points He wouldn't even have to meet me when you have to do that Joellen B over 30 30 plus I'll say 30 plus you got max again 28 and you know about seven or eight assists And you got hair is doing what he do the other guy saying that JJ retic had He was talking to somebody on his podcast and they were going over shots numbers and shot He was like yo, listen to oh, yeah, you're Jefferson and Richard Jefferson was talking about his new jersey net team going up against shot He was like look at what this man was after 3840 in a series 18 rebounds broke When you are the most physically dominant player in the league which Jordan Beach should be if he's not in the conversation Who then physically most physically? No, it's no The reason why you have that question is he put up the numbers and we don't care Ain't nobody like No, no absolutely no physical down in Stanford Yeah A very poor man's version No one can do it like that if I'm talking about it now though Shear force and power His game is being six ten six eleven long as hell and being able to move from this Yeah One of the paintings this long to make things happen I'm not counting on this game at all, but it's only be this the most physical like Joe L. V. Reliance won skill that sheer force You know Okay, so We got kids like There's a lot of stuff is there gonna be a playoff team and as long as stuff is playing at the level he's playing at there's still Somewhat of a contender.
They need to make a move somewhere rather than like I don't disagree with any cat my yes My issue with them is pause preemptively. They don't have enough size. We talked about I Twenty twenty one should they take in Where do they do in Golden State without the money that they spend in for this thing Well at some point you're gonna have to retool Um, you know, they had somebody young is that they obviously let go we talked about wise man coming is starting to show But you just gonna have to retool but the thing is is when you keep somebody like coming around I got paid that man kind of super chat question while we hear is it time of the words to trade with him and play with I also it depends on what you get back to the rest stuff. Yeah, I wouldn't keep your money at this point I think I think I'm on this is a whole thing.
He's wise to he's more watching Single triple singles is not getting the done and it's not worth seven. No, we've seen one And it's on there. What is he adding to the team that they're missing at this point? You can't replace it because you can't replace the IQ you can't replace the battle test in this and you can't replace the synergy that he has What's that boy?
He knows that definitely has it going like he finds me hundreds of pecs him He runs play forward. He does a lot of D. H. Oh's like what dreamout green brings to the to the team You can't easily replace that and if you can't replace that the way you play the game is completely different You can remove clay you can remove your report.
You can remove coming up You can remove Andrew Wiggins and still play Golden State brand of basketball and the main reason is draver Climbers man tonight. Yes, they're playing. They're on their own. They're on their own Yes, I lose it.
He needs great hard is being passive He is But it's not looking good it's not look so so you can tell all four these guys are not trying to step on each other's Right. You do but the issue is this Jason come off the bench out of those four guys Because what's a Westbrook is best with the ball of his hand? No, no, you need James Harden to play free Go get buckets go do what you do. Look who said it years ago that that style of play does not work And it's not gonna win the championship Kobe Greenbright.
Mm-hmm. He went on I came up with the name of his little thing that he started But he talked about how the style of basketball the brain about what the James Harden play is not gonna win any Championship and we're seeing it this man has been traded from team to team of team that announces that eviscerated him What what like he told you can't tell no one not one lie James Harden means to what's most important to you Do you want to be a 30-point Tennisist guy with no rings or do you want to win a ring because if you want to win a ring and that's the most important thing Come off this bench we come off this bench be the greatest six like you started off as a six-minute You were amazing you had your run at being the guy now It's about chips if you want to win a chip be a better version of Jordan Clark's then be your more Crawford be a guy that can get 30 in 15 minutes Don't you all thank you like James Harden told us what he was though. That's the reason That's the problem reason that's the problem That's the problem He had a mean with the dog before he was supposed to go with you saying he told him like he's always said 30 a chance what I won't I'm worried about chips doggone when you come to Houston if I was wearing a bad chance I'm gonna come every 30 a 10 you know I'm a sister Like a slippers how why did he want to go to the Clippers? It comes right here.
No, he won't go to quit. He's gonna go to the court. That's what I'm saying If James Harden put it out there He told him he's a rocket stat. It's so every other team that he's played with when he's been disrupted He is what he is.
Okay, the frustrations come with James Harden is we because we see how he's he is we expect him to go Oh, I'm gonna do something different because I'm expecting to win a championship I just don't think he cut like that But the thing is is this as you get older and I talk about all the time You got our own man game Yeah, and James Harden has old man game because he's crafty But as you mature for the majority of people beyond 10 to 15 years you have to take a step back Like Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are clearly the one and two you are not you need to be the three I think you need to be the third best score, but he's a come off the bench I think you know that because you know basketball and I'm not saying sorry. I don't know basketball That's concerned with the X's and O's and what concerned with like my legacy is gonna be how many points per game Did I ever tell me assisted I help and that may not be right? I'm not saying that's the right thing because ultimately it's it's rings and what matter but I think it matters to him he showed us that Here's the thing at the end of the day. There's not another team that is gonna take on the James Harden experiment So if he doesn't make it work now, just like the announcer said you have this one year, bro They ain't all we got time to figure it.
No, it's not like you 23 you 30 some right Unfortunately, he's that good way even if it don't work this yet another team would give him a show Oh, no, it's it's it's it's it's it's time Look on the city bro PG 13 Leonard Westbrook and Harden and then a title then blue got some things to answer for They might have sat in the room with him. He okayed it I would not have a move into a new stadium. They need to win. They thought this would be a big splash I don't see how much on the top of the water.
I couldn't see Tyler like the game James Cardin is made very clear Who is I think we get frustrated as viewers fans of the game because we know what he could do if he was willing to modify His game. I don't think he's willing to do it. He's keep telling us. You got my I guess I'm a James or I'm tripping No, I'm telling y'all what I am every stop that he's when he told me but what he was I just look at the stars on that team and you see a bunch of guys with a bunch of different heads stuff going on You know you got play off you got Kawhi sometime.