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Speaking of... Save the word tumor. Save the name, Adam. Save the word mystery.
Say the word, high drops. It's another word from Inners. Say the word, nerve. Say the word, damage.
It's either nerve damage or in the nears as far as I can tell. Sounds like we're nearing. It's all, it's still just me diagnosing. Diagnosis, it's my own, it's still self-diagnosis because they don't know.
I went to another audiologist. I went to another ENT this week. And yeah, you get a lot of like, shrugs. Although some of your hearing loss has come back.
That's what they said. That's what they said. Each of the tests were very different. Not very different.
They all had exactly what I just demonstrated. They had the white noise mask. They play in one of your ears while they do the little beeps in the other. But I don't know, you know.
But apparently, yeah. I was going to say, if it came back, it'd be... Maybe I just don't even have anything anymore. Maybe I'm fine.
I don't know. It sounds like you could have maneors. I got some maneors in my inner ears. That's sounding the closest to what...
When you describe what you have and then when you describe people coming to you and saying, it sounds like it's actually this. It has closest... Closely resembles maneors. Closely resembles maneors.
And then the... It wasn't the ENT this time, but sort of the upper guy from the ENT. He said... He did actually say maneors when I was in high drops.
Cocklier high drops. So when you were in Seattle recently for the Sabado benefit show, your friend Chris Boulou. He's my friend. He's your friend, right?
I actually spoke with this guy a couple of times now. Oh, nice. Chris Boulou was the leader of the most recognizable member of the President of the United States of America known for their hit songs in the 90s lump. The sublime peaches.
Yeah. Boy. What a fun band. They played one of the most kind of interesting shows I saw in the 90s.
Really? They played at this huge festival, Roskilde. It's like how in the Danish countryside. Before Coachella and all this, it was the biggest festival.
Tens of thousands of people. I saw the President of the United States play of America play in a tent. They opened their set with an incredible cover of Kickout the Jams by the MC5. And the really interesting thing about that band is that one of the...
I think Chris maybe plays with two strings and then the other guy plays with three, or Chris plays with three, the other guy plays with two, but the point being that they have five strings between them. Oh. And they created this enormous sound, which I had so much respect for because myself as someone who tunes guitar, who uses less strings on my guitars, you know, for my four string guitar in particular. And I was very impressed by that.
And then we had that in common. You know, a mutual friend of ours sort of talked to him about me. Apparently, he was kind of into my early sebodow and my solo stuff. So I finally spoke to him last year when we were going to do the Dinosaur Junior where you've been shows in Seattle.
I thought maybe I should re-job him and see if he wants to be a guest. Oh, right. That's right. I was trying to remember how this connection came to be.
So I got his number and we spoke and we talked for like two hours. And he's a really, really nice guy and really cool. And like the Presidents of the United States of America, as big as they were, they kind of just stepped back. You know, they did a record with like a certain mix a lot at some point, but they kind of stepped back and he did a lot of children's music.
He did children's music. And he's seemed to have settled into this more simple life of doing his solo stuff. And anyway, I had a wonderful conversation with him. He's incredibly perceptive and playful.
And I got to see him again. We finally got to be sort of more formally reintroduced to each other. We introduced ourselves to each other at the Seattle show. I went out and saw him and we talked.
And one of the first things he said was, do you have loss of low end hearing in your one ear? I said, yes. And he said, that is liquid on the cochlea. And he basically laid out the symptoms perfectly and said that he's had it twice and it's coming gone for him.
And it usually only lasted about two weeks. Mine's unusual because it's been hanging in there for about a month and a half. And the sound, my low end tonight is my left ear. It's crazy.
And he didn't really, that didn't ring any bells, so to speak for him. But anyway, it made me feel a lot better when he told me that. And it kind of gave me a little boost in Sebodope played our first show in five years. And it was, I don't know if Triumph and is the right word.
But it was successful. We played the show even though we had done a rehearsal the day before. And once again, I was like, oh my God, it just sounded like hell on earth. And I was like, how am I going to be able to play the show?
You're not saying Sebodope sounded like hell on earth. You're just a clarifying. You were simply saying it sounded like hell on earth because of your humor. Rehearsing in these practice spaces just as nice or junior.
Stiffical. Denyser Jr had also rehearsed before our show in San Diego and I had a similar where I just could not process the music. And I was having a little bit of a deja vu moment with Sebodope rehearsing. I thought, oh my God, I gotta hold on to this too.
I gotta do my best. And Chris Blue told me that. It kind of gave me a little bounce in my step. We played the show right after the show.
Ben Gibbard came back. And I kind of got him. That's the guy from the guy from Death Cab for CUNY if you don't know. And Postal Service.
And Postal Service. I like both bands. I really sort of enjoyed him from afar. We also have some friends in common, but I never quite see him here and have these sort of awkward conversations with him.
Or just brief exchanges. And in my mind, for some reason, I thought that maybe he didn't like me. And I'm not sure where I came up with that. But it was there.
And I did have this. So he came back. He was like, that was really great. I'm like, wow, thanks, Ben.
That was really nice. I just somehow felt really nice because the band, Death Cab for CUNY, represents to me. I have a bit of a history with that band personally. I kind of fell in love with their music in the early 2000s.
And in the early 2000s, I felt that my music was becoming more and more irrelevant. And I thought that my music wasn't that good. And I thought there was so much great music coming out in the 2000s that I really did personalize it. I was just going to say, it sounds like you personalized these bands' success.
Which I loved. I loved these bands. I don't know if you're a failure then, but you made it your... The downward spiral of the...
I loved music in the 1990s, Indiraq. I loved how Indiraq had sort of blossomed in the 2000s and the aughts. And it became more popular. It did.
It became more mainstream. It became more mainstream bands like Spoon had these breakthroughs, songs, and labels like Murch... Interpoled the strokes. And Murch and Sub-Pop and Matador began to have Andamano, who were very intimately involved with a lot of these labels.
They saw success. He had success finally. And I felt kind of like... I felt...
You personalized it. I was feeling icky about myself. And I went to a dev cap for Cutie Show in the mid-Ots. In LA.
At the Wiltern Theatre. And I went to the show and they were very, very good. And with every song... That's so good.
And you felt threatened. Personally threatened. I wouldn't say it was threatened. I just felt bad.
It was like every song they played, I was just like, oh my god. It was so good. And so much better than my estimation at that moment, better than anything I had ever done. And it is different.
It's a different sounding thing. It's more sophisticated. It's like a sophistication that dropped all the pretense of punk rock was such a big thing for us. And it really defined how we approached our audience and our music.
But it was kind of like, why? Why was there all of this resistance? There was so much resistance that I carried into my musical experience. And when I heard bands like Death Capricutie, and actually bands like The Black Lips, and bands like Animal Collective.
And I just felt like they were just stylistically freer. Would you also say that they were a little more of kind of the rise of like, for lack of a better word, like male, ally, feminist, kind of thing, the softer man. It was. They were less aggressive, maybe.
It was less aggressive. Because the 90s was full of aggressive music. And I mean, to me, the President of the United States of America were interesting because they had a twist on that. They did a twist on it and I found them not macho, which was kind of important because in the 90s, it was macho.
They're us, yeah. The whole grunge thing was like, there was a whole lot of balls in your face. For better or worse, even Nirvana was a bit of a balls in your face band. And even as sensitive as they are and how much I relate to that.
And Semina, we carried chips on our shoulders when we went on stage. You know, so I thought that this 2000s thing was amazing. So I'm watching the show, my essence is draining from me. By the end of the show, I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, oh God, what am I going to do?
Will I ever work again? I think I had just rejoined on us, our junior. So I'm like, well, Jay took me back. Oh shit.
Oh shit. Well, what's happening? Son, this is a song. Oh, okay.
Okay. We'll continue on for this. One more time. One, two, three, four.
One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four.
One, two, three, four. Oh, don't take me, don't you know I'm not ready to go home. I just got home to a world of fire. Water is required.
Soft and warm. I've got a lot to do here. Conquering on my field. I'm not ready to be gone.
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I recorded that demo this morning. It's a Sunday morning kind of. It sounds a little, I'm not pung over the right word, but it sounds a little hazy. Oh, I liked it.
Oh, you did? Yeah. It reminded me of Dinosaur Jr. So.
Yeah, you know, I'm going through, I'm just going through and putting together riffs and ideas and trying to make demos, like cohesive demos that I can consider. You should definitely bring that one. Dinosaur Jr. start in the record soon.
You think that's OK for that? Yes. Yeah? Mm-hmm.
OK. Definitely. OK. I think it has a nice catchy element, too.
It does it? Mm-hmm. I couldn't tell whether it was just completely boring. No, it's not.
I decided to put myself up to playing it for you to straight up. Thank you. I have a tickle in my throat, everyone. Do I cough?
Do I let it out? What do I do? It feels like a little speck of dust just landed in my throat. Mm.
OK. I think I'm better now. I like to. So you think that it goes boring at all?
I should move it to the next level. Definitely. OK. Because it's begging for a J, like grungy guitars on there.
Yeah. Yeah. You have to kind of baste around a bass line that I wrote. Uh-huh.
I like it. But I don't know the right. I have to see what the right tempo, the right kind of playing is for it. OK.
Cool. Yes. Back to my story. Yeah, so Ben Gever.
Let's go back to when I was like struggling. Early aughts, lose in LA at the Wiltern Theatre, seeing death cap for cutie play. He's feeling his musical soul draining from him, wondering if you'll have a future, a job, a paycheck, and then. And then, so they do the encore.
And I'm like, oh my god. Oh, yeah. How much more can I take? How much more?
How much more can I be kicked down? I mean, I felt so sorry for myself. I'm just like, I just felt bad. Interesting.
Although, like I said, I had just rejoined dinosaur junior songs. Like, thank god, they took me back. Because I'm useless on my fucking own. I've managed to ruin my whole fucking quote unquote, quote career.
And I was wrong. It was just like, basically, I was wrong. Wrong. I'm like, this is just in my head.
I'm watching them kick into the encore. And then I fucking played brand new love by Sabadev. They covered brand new love. And I was honestly like, I can't, I just, I had no idea for one thing that that would happen.
I didn't even know that death cap for cutie would consider Sabadev in their like influence. You know what I mean? At that point, I was like, they didn't even matter. You know, like, I shot myself in the foot repeatedly.
The records weren't that good. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, there's no way that I'm even in their realm of like influences or anything that they drew from. And then they fucking covered the song.
It's kind of an impressionistic cover. But it was a nod, it was the song. And I was just had this feeling like, okay, well. It wasn't for nothing, Lou.
I was like, it just, it really, it kind of eliminated that part of me that felt really sorry for myself. I'm like, this is obviously a sign. And it's just a continuation. It's just a continuation of music, music changes, and that's okay.
And it was when they played that, I was like, I do like to know that I'm a part of just a big flow. That's really the whole, that's my, my motive, my main motive has always been to just be part of something larger that's moving along. I don't have to, you know, it's like, don't have to be the guy, don't have to be this. I don't have to, I just want to contribute.
Can I tell you something? That song was good then, and it's good now. It's just a good song, honey. And so you know what, those songs do matter.
So Ben came backstage and I'm like, I gotta tell you this story. And then I felt like I'd already told him. I'm like, is he just humoring me? I mean, how would I've told him?
I've met him a couple of times. Did I actually tell him this already? But I went through the whole thing. I told him the story and he seemed touched.
It's touching. And then he, he said on his, on his own, he said, well, you know, music is like a river. And I was like, crazy, because that's, I had been obsessed with this concept and sort of bringing it back and thinking about it because I'm like, what, who had, who had guessed it without us a few days before, with, guessed it without us a junior, a few days before that. So I was thinking a lot about my quad, thinking a lot about the river.
He brings up the river, Ben, totally separate, totally independent of that. And I'm working on, I'm trying to write a piece about doing the harmacy record and sort of the, I want to, so I'm trying to write about some difficult times. And writing is so hard for me, it takes me forever to finish things. But anyway, like Ben came back and we talked about it.
And he was like, kind of a moment. You were so happy. I had a real moment. I told me about it and you seemed very, you know, kind of lit up, to be honest.
I think it was really meaningful to you that he did that. It was meaningful to see him come back and just kind of like, and he had that look like he had seen something that he liked. Cause sometimes when people, when they come back after seeing a show and they give you this look, you feel this openness. You know, you feel like, you feel like they're here to just go, hey, that was good.
You know, like, hey, and he had that openness. And many other people that I talk with that night had that kind of openness like, oh, like they seemed, they seemed happy that we had played and that we had kind of like reaffirmed that we were not a bad man. Which is so hard over the years because there's just, there's been so much, I mean, Sabade was very much, it's been like pushing a rock up the hill kind of situation in a lot of ways. And just being in a band is kind of like that.
And especially in a band and you're aging and you're like, you're pushing your rock, you know? And there's, you know, you have those wonderful periods where the rock just starts rolling and then of course it rolls over you and crushes you, but then you get back up and you start rolling the rock again. And anyway, it was really nice. I had a really nice Chris Boulou of the Presidents of the United States of America, gave me promising these about my ear.
Ben Gebard came back to give us regards. And that was nice. Yeah, that's really nice. I, as much as I love the people who are early Sabado fans and they say, I'm an early Sabado fan.
I've yet to meet and I would love to meet someone who's like, they only like new Sabado or they don't even really care for that. It would be really funny and fun to meet someone who's like, oh man, X-Pries is the best. I love if that's Sabado album. That one's the best Sabado album ever.
I want to hear, I want to talk to you about X-Pries because it's a great album. But like no one really mentions it. And you and I often do talk about this. People will, you know, like, leave a comment or something on a post and they'll be like, new Sabado album.
And you and I kind of look each other and be like, well, why? Because, you know, are you even listening to the loan they put out? They did put out an album that they worked really hard on. And it's actually, you know?
I don't know. But these guys, it's not just bake sale. Because we love it. Another consequence of, I've been kind of being public on my social media stuff about my ear thing and getting tons of really constructive.
Yeah, that's true. And then also people just kind of checking in with me. One person who checked in with me was Matt McCong from Merj record Superchunk. Yeah.
Yeah. Matt from Superchunk. And we were just kidding. Oh, he checked in with you like that one.
We're kind of eye-oning each other. And we did have our conversation. Our little messages did touch upon making new albums and how the funny thing is you make a new album as Superchunk has. Yeah, they do too.
They continue to be prolific and put them out and still keep the dream alive. And but one of the funny things that will happen like in the last time, seven put out a record. And this happens without a Surgeon, you too. You're out, you've done the new record.
The first thing that people say, hey, when are you going to do a new record? Yeah. I mean, it's so hard to figure out. Because it's so universal.
Like people say, they all say that. Gosh, when is the last time you guys even made a new record? It's been so long, man. We're actually on tour for that record.
You're currently seeing the album that we're promoting right now. Oh, I'm wearing the t-shirt for it too. OK. So when's the new one?
I mean, that happens. So I mentioned this in this exchange that I was having with Mac to. And I think ultimately you kind of do it for yourself. Like if you're this fan.
And you do it. And he, Mac's point was that you do it for the heads, the people that are really into it. But I swear to god, I have. Yeah, it's a prize.
Maybe the Superchunk heads do show up for them for their. I think they do. Like because Superchunk were such a good nature band and they so carefully create. I mean, they so carefully did not alienate their audience.
I mean, it wasn't even careful. They just were not an alienating presence. Whereas. It's probably just organic to them.
It's organic to them because they fucking smiled on stage. They had a good vibe. It used to drive me nuts because back in the 90s, I was like, I was kind of like aggressive. See, a lot of your things involve jealousy.
Yeah, like jealousy. Jealousy. We're talking about jealousy because you're like, they smiled on stage. It's like, yeah, OK.
So is it cool to not smut me? Do you see what you're talking about? That's the gen X curse. I know.
And I had the gen X curse during the course of this. Sabade show. I talked briefly with Matt Cameron who plays with Soundgarden. And we did touch on also.
And he and I touched on how aggressive it felt in the early 90s, late 80s, actually 80s because they were 80s too. Because like, we're talking 87, 88. These are when Soundgarden were putting out their first, inventing this sort of hard rock genre. But also in that in the trenches, it's kind of very male dominated.
Like, and I came with that. I came with all of that baggage. I took that baggage into the 90s. Sabadeau used to like, practically throw tantrums on stage.
We fought each other. We fought the audience. We made records that were like alienating people. Alienating people.
And then along came Superchunk and Pavements. And their vibes were just open. Teenage fan club. No, no, no.
I saw Pavement. That's right. Sorry. I'm not dissing them.
I'm just simply saying, I saw them at first, I have a 90s. And they were not smiling. They were more bratty than they didn't quite have the. They had a good vibe.
The first few times I saw them, the vibe was good. It did kind of get a little, they did kind of go in. They started to grind. They could have just had an off night when I saw them at first I don't know.
They, they, they, they, what happened to your muck? Look, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. God, what the hell is that? Scary.
Oh my god. Oh, yeah. This isn't indicative of a larger problem. Oh, dear.
Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's just quickly go to that this is all falling apart. And let's decide that this is the end of things. And immediately to the grave.
Oh my gosh. OK, so to wrap this all up. Yeah. I just, so I've had a lot of really nice, I've touched, I've touched base with a lot of people over the last month when I played all those shows.
Yeah. And I've been kind of struggling with this hearing thing. And I'm going to do a whole year. You're in hearing thing.
My menearing. We're just going to say, meniers because that's all I'm just saying that. Yeah, we're now we're thinking of some years guys. And that goes away apparently after four or six years.
I know it's okay. You're new. Hey, hey, Lou. Hey what?
Yes. We're holiday time. Halfway point. We've heard it.
Hey, a reminder still. You've got more days to be a great dad during this holiday time. More days. More days to devote.
To do the right thing. More days. I've been enjoying so many times. The holiday relaxation.
I made a demo tonight. We have December 28. That's a nice. It's number 29th.
December 30th. Stop. December 31st. January 1st.
January 2nd, January 3rd, January 4th. Oh my god. Not over yet, January 5th. And then.
I like my meeting. Me. Me too. I need my meeting.
No. I've got plenty of meeting. Who berated? Who berated me time?
Why? It's together. Greetings towards the end of this year. Right.
That's the end of this wrong impressions. The end. No, not of the end of wrong impressions. Just the end of the episode.
Right. He's talking about. He's definitely not the one. He does not have that authority.
No. We're in the new year soon enough. OK. Since he got out, bad things keep happening.
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