"Coda" and "Boiling Point"

Hello there, welcome to Pivotal Film, I'm Tom Nolan. And I'm Mario Ponzio, and it's only been a week since we recorded. I've just had a lot of say this is a very special episode, even though it's just a very regular episode. Well, a regular for what it used to be for our podcast.

We were used to record every week. When was the last time we did episode recording, like week till week I should... In the middle of COVID, until we were done? Yeah, I guess so.

With a list. Yeah. Yeah. Remember those COVID days?

Remember we would set up the table long and I would try to wear my mask for most of it? We tried that for three weeks. I thought no, like two weeks. It was like two and a half weeks, and then in the middle of the third one, I was like, I'm not doing this.

And then we had like a long conversation. It's like, listen, if I'm going to be in your house. Yeah. And we know each other, like who's our, what's it called our network or whatever the...

What do they call that? There used to be somebody who's practicing. We know, like if one of us got it, we could contract trace pretty easily. Are bubbles?

Bubbles? Yeah, bubbles. Your bubble was fairly small. My bubble was two people.

Yeah. Three people. So yeah. You know, I do remember that.

Those weird times. But then you got your your your professoring on and I got a pop or three times. There's more and more on your end. Oh man.

But yeah, I think... I think this is a cause for celebration. Right? Yeah.

Raising this. Every day we're here as a cause for celebration. Yeah. We are continuing our sojourn into Christmas like beers.

You know, I didn't get a spice dale this time. I got an IPA this time. But an IPA is from a certain brewery that is known by our pivotal film listeners to be the one that likes to experiment a bit. You know, I can see who it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh no. But it's a combination.

A combination got the fog dog. Oh, you can see other guys turned it in. I've seen this at the Blicker store. It is a double dry hop, double Indian pale ale with lactose and spices.

What's the reason on tap review I saw here? It's got these interviews on untapped. But one such review says balance, sweet and spice perfectly really has the taste and feel of eggnog with hops. Good God.

Oh, I had to. I had to. I saw this on the shelf. I've seen this for three weeks.

I've been like now? The fact that it existed for three weeks. There was only one. There was only...

So there was three weeks ago, there was like three sets of one hack. Last week there was two. This week there was just one left. But it took three weeks.

Normally when a combination shows up somewhere, like at my local place, because it's gone and it's too easy. I don't get it then and it's not there. I'm actually pouring this in the cups just to see what it looks like. The glasses I should say.

I don't wear cat glasses. I don't wear cat glasses. I also broke that in 12%. Whoa, man.

You could smell that and be like, yeah, that's a milkshake IPA. Word, goddamn, sure. The spice is actually even. I don't know.

It's mingling with the hops. So I'm almost not getting the hoppy smell. No, I'm just getting straight clove on the nose. But it's...

Clove and lactose is what I smell. Yeah, as I said, because it's clove with like the edges kind of carved down a little bit. They were fucking cowards. They ain't putting egg yolk in it.

Imagine if... Dink it? I'm a little yolk in it. How do they do that?

You know, it doesn't taste like goddamn thing like egg nog. The spice hit me in the back of a fruit. That's what Riley Reid said. Yeah, it's not bad.

I would not say that this is reminiscent of egg nog. It just tastes like Christmas. Let me drink it out of the can here real quick. Yeah, that's good idea.

Much more egg nog out of the can. I think it condenses the spices maybe in that... that cinnamon and clove flavor is much more pronounced. Yeah.

And that is kind of... Not... Not make. Not make is what I put in heavily in my egg nog is when I make them.

Because I make egg nog from scratch ladies. But yeah, I think out of... In the glass it has like a Christmas flavor. In the can it definitely has a reminiscent of egg nog.

It's not the worst beer I've had. It's a 9.1%. It tastes like a 9.1% in the sense that like it is so no creaky that you know it's high. You know it's trying to cover that alcohol flavor.

I agree with you. It definitely is... There's something... And this is weird.

Maybe this is not a thing. This flavor is more open in the glass. Which is I think worse. Yeah, it seems very separated in...

Out of the can it seems... But it's a density. It does. I don't hate it, but it's not like...

My favorite thing that they've ever done. But it also doesn't taste very experimental either. No, I wish you... Like a more interesting depth of flavor.

My issue with abomination has been... The fact that there's always this kind of underneath flavor. And I think it's like a really heavy clove flavor. At least in terms of camera the name of it.

But it's a pumpkin. It was like a pumpkin. Oh, the forbidden pumpkin? Yeah, the forbidden pumpkin.

That had heavy clove. Yeah. Pissed that pumpkin spice kind of flavor. And that kind of overwhelmed everything.

I think they're... Pissed as fog knocks. So it's based upon their fog series. They're regular double fog series.

Where it's just like... You know, they're just basically experimenting with a different hop each time. It's really solid. Yeah, absolutely.

I love them. But it feels like when they're experimenting they just kind of have a go-to. And it's like maybe pull back when we go-to. Or their stouts are much more experimental though.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I've seen them around. I think to that point the stouts being more experimental taste. The depth of flavor in those stouts is always really interesting.

There's a lot of things going on. It seems like you can kind of taste them trying something out. This doesn't really seem like they're trying something. They can see if there's something executed and it kind of is what it is.

You know what I mean? It doesn't have a real super depth of flavor. Like some of the other stuff that we've had for a combination. But they're entitled to their...

It's still good. It's still good. It's still good. Don't ever drink it out of a glass though.

I wanted to see the color and the color is not that impressive. It's actually not as foggy as I'd expect. Well before we started talking about the beer, or before we opened the beers I kind of started imagining what it could possibly look like. Like, you know, when I saw that it was the fog nog, I was like oh, and you wanted to see the color.

And it's just regular color. Yeah, but it's actually less hazy than most... You're right. ...like IPA, so.

Yeah, you're right. Interesting. I guess there's no good segue for this. No one drinks any hazy.

You know what? It's pretty hazy. Tom? Those mornings on the shoreline when the sun is rising over the Atlantic.

You smell the brine in the air and you get out on your ship to go fishing. Yes. Because we are talking about the Apple Plus. Is it Apple Plus?

Apple TV Plus. Apple TV Plus. E.V. plus original film, uh, Coda.

I've been coaching for a very clean color show music. I can help you guys color show. Oh, I want to do this. I want to do this.

There are plenty of pretty voices with nothing to say. Do you have something to say? You will be required to have a hearing individual on board at all times. Stay with you for the rest of my weeks.

I've never done anything without my family before. All that I need. Um, Coda is directed by, and written and directed by C and Heder. I haven't seen any of the other things that she's done.

And it's based upon a French movie called Love Family Belia. Is it really? Yes. Oh, it does.

It says right here. Interesting. Um, that's cool. I think we should continue with our not explaining the full plot thing to it.

That works last week. Just like a general run. Like a general. So Amelia Jones, who is a Welsh singer, actress plays Ruby Rossy.

She is the daughter of Jackie and Frank Rossy, played by Marley Matton. Mattlin and Troy Kotser, who are both deaf. They have another son named Leo, played by Daniel Durant, who was also deaf. Ruby is the one hearing person in this family.

And she does a lot of translation. They work on a fishing boat. She really likes to sing. And so she be friends.

The choir director at this Glauster High School. Bernardo Villalobos, played by Eugenio Durvez. I can't play on her. I would call him Mr.

B. Mr. There you go. And he convinces her to pursue her singing and apply to the Berkley College of Music.

This obviously creates some tension in the family because they need her to run their business, which has recently expressed a lot of support. Which has recently expanded a little bit as it pushed away from... Well, they've become independent. Yeah, from like state, I guess, control, state or local control of the fisheries.

It's kind of like a co-opish. It's like a different co-opish sort of thing. But they need her to stay and she wants to go in within that kind of just very typical struggle is this person who can hear and this family who really can't hear. And even though they've lived in this town for a very long time, hasn't really adjusted to interacting with people who can do it.

You know, I did just... No, no, no, no. I mean, that's kind of like the general crux of it. There's a lot of fairly standard issue beats for a movie like this.

But I think it does some interesting things. It has a couple of flaws that will bring up in a conversation, but I really liked it a lot. It's too long by like 20 minutes. But I'll forgive it that time because it's not doing anything super great with that extra time.

But it's not ruining the movie either. There's some beats where it's like just really wants to hit them and just like, I thought we could have gotten out of this faster. But I really liked it. And Amelia Jones can really sing.

I think I like Wild Rose, the Jesse Buckley version of this story a little better. That was a couple years ago. That was a very interesting one. It came out big.

So she was Scottish and she wanted to be a country singer. But she was also kind of like a kid who she didn't really take care of very much because she was drinking and doing shows. That movie ends with her getting to the Grand Ole Opry and standing on the stage in front of nobody. She's just alone and she's not performing for herself.

So it's this moment of self discovery where nobody's there to share with her except a janitor or something that lets her in. It's a little rougher. But it hits the same kind of beats. Jesse Buckley just plays her rose and really coming apart.

And she's staying together as much as she can just to do this one thing. And then she learns how to be a better mother and throw herself on the spot. The podcast, obviously, does not particularly care for Jesse Buckley. It's seen by last year's awards.

We've had our moments of discord with Jesse Buckley for sure. But I think it's good. I think it's... I want to have a couple of aesthetic conversations surrounding this.

I found it to be very, very shiny, super shiny. Way more so than other movies like this, like Manchester by the Sea or movies that take this. Obviously, I'm just thinking aesthetically. You're shooting this from production design.

You're shooting it. And she keeps saying my house is gross and her house is gross. The high school is really a super nice high school. No one can afford...

All these people can be fishing people except for the people that aren't fishing people. They can't afford to live, but they can apparently afford to pay enough taxes to employ a Berkeley College of Music graduate to be a choir director with a baby. Who is in the nicest fucking house? The nicest fucking house in the middle.

And I'm not jumping on you to this. No, no, no. But in terms of the production design and the cinematography with how flat and clean it looks, it feels very much like a Hallmark film. Oh, it's got a little bit...

It's pushed the dial up a little bit more, but I see that too. But it's also something that... It's aesthetic. I think Apple stuff.

I think Ted Lasso looks like this too. The Morning Show, which is just an atrocious garbage show. I've heard the Morning Show conversations are considered the first season everyone loves and the second season everyone hates. The whole thing sucks from beginning to end.

It's fucking terrible. But me and my wife kind of just watch it like every Friday, like let's see what completely terrible thing this show has decided to... The only thing that these are episodes will be free. Yeah.

On Friday, yeah Friday night. But everything I've seen on that channel so far... Steve Jobs got medication. He probably did not.

Well, and that's why I wanted to be... Steve Jobs comments interesting because part of me thought it was like maybe part of Apple's like aesthetic choice. Like they're keeping everything including their content like super streamlined and looking super sharp because on the rocks look like this too. See that's what I thought is like this is an intent.

It's really digitized. It's really sharp. We talked about this while I priced it. I'm really sharp.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it's interesting because the next movie we're going to talk about is almost like the exact opposite. But again, if we've graded movies I would probably give most of this movie like a B plus as a whole, maybe like a B B plus, and then there's moments where it shoots itself up with certain performances and certain things and stuff like that. Okay.

This is like a tale of two stories for me. From an aesthetic standpoint, as I said, like this is something I've latched on too early on. I hated the first 30 minutes of this film because of that aesthetic because everything was so clean, so clinical, it has an incredibly forgettable score. That just does nothing except to serve the fact that it feels as though it's like a stock score almost.

I don't mean to like Marius Navieri's like to discredit their music, but it's just everything about the surrounding techno aspects of this film don't work. And from a story perspective, from a screenplay perspective, I think it fucking fails in every way because it's juggling four different conflicts at once. We are juggling the conflict of Ruby and her singing. We are juggling this ridiculous dumb conflict of Ruby and Miles.

We are juggling the conflict between Ruby and her family, and we're juggling the conflict of the fishing bureau issue. And in that it's never able to really authentically betray those issues with the kind of depth and maturity that demands. Even the ones that it should be able to. Yeah, absolutely.

Or that it needs to be able to. All that said, every single performance in this movie is fucking magnificent. Like all of the actors in this raise the material. And I think the screenplay fails, but I think Hater's direction really shines in the sense that when this movie starts and Amelia Jones is singing, I'm like she's not that great.

I don't understand why we're saying that she's a singer. But has it kind of progresses and has she's with Mr. V, which I'm sure the name of Miranda, we should see that in that role. As it progresses and becomes a little more raw and a little more like in her.

Like that's when Amelia Jones is singing comes out. When she has that final perk, the audition is fucking knocks it out. So it is a conflict that I have. And the fact that I think there's this really well directed, extremely well acted film.

I think Troy coasters is in my company. He's like a little nominated for this in my conversation for like a best supporting actor. I think Amelia Jones is in my conversation right now for a best accuracy. Well, because it's so raw and it's so earnest and there's and you know, dangled around.

It's like when he's signing on the beach, that entire scene is amazing. But it's so curious to me how this is overall the screenplay feels like a slightly deeper level. Like a hallmark film because I looked at this as like this is a well made hallmark film from a screenplay and a systemic standpoint. But it's standing in stark opposition with this extremely well done, well directed, well acted film.

Yeah, and I mean, we can take from this what we want. But like Eugenio Durbes is also in another Apple plus TV Apple TV plus show called Aghapulco. So I don't know if this is a brand. I don't know what it is either, but it's I don't know if this is like brand synergy.

Like he got the part because he's in this other Apple movie. He's great. But it's again, we were just talking about like Apple kind of having a uniform aesthetic or whatever. Like are they just kind of putting Apple people in like Apple roles or doesn't matter.

But to that point, I think before I forget this, like the Mr. Vee conflict really bothers me because of the way that he's kind of presented early on. And this is I think a family of the screenplay because he's kind of like really authentic, really kind of like with it and cognizant person. And then when he shows frustration at Ruby for her like missing rehearsals, the way that these performances are done and the way the scripts represented itself is that like she would go like your parents are the issue here.

Like they're obviously like he seems as though he's he's cognizant of what's going on in the community. He wouldn't think Ruby, I think the story says the Ruby wasn't wasn't taking it not seriously. He would say like your parents aren't noticing the fact that you need to live your own life. And that's what kind of like bothers me is like it takes these really easy turns to re like invigorate their conflicts when the performances and the direction demand a more nuanced perspective.

And I think this movie from a screenplay perspective lacks the nuance that the direction and the acting has. I actively hated like a portion of the screenplay with like to the point where like it verged on like tanking the movie for me. Every every Marley, which is a which is a testament how well acted it is. And direct and direct because I think she's directing these I think she's directing these actors in she's she's got these situations and she's and she's like able to.

It's like staging. She's able to stage these conflicts in a way that if the screenplay was better, the pacing of the movie and like the way that the conflicts unfold would be right and correct and would have that pay off at the end. But because the screenplay is so like rough and like non user or nuance like non nuanced stuff just kind of like dies like these situations are big. Well, this is like so you kind of referenced her him Mr.

V yelling at Ruby for being late. And then she goes or no, it's even after it's after that when she goes to the house he doesn't answer the door because she's late because she has to do the news thing which we'll talk about. It's part of this. And then he goes to the school later and he's playing the piano and she's like, oh, is that yours?

And he gets up and he like is about to give like a speech and like the speeches just like, do you know why I'm a teacher? Like, so she talks, sounds like she's setting him up for like, why are you here? You know what I mean? Like you're this big, you know, Berkeley College of Music graduate.

How did you end up in this like just teaching in this Gloucester high school? You know why I'm here? You know why I became a teacher? Because I'm good at it.

End of conversation. And I was just kind of like, oh, no, like that's that can't be the end of conversation goes. But like to that point every single one of these interactions with these people from an acting perspective are kind of glorious in a way but from the things that they're saying are just ridiculous. And the fact that they're, I get, so we are kind of talking off, off, might about like the deaf communities reaction to this.

And like there are grievances that the two grievances that you cited are like not really grievances and they should get over them. The thing that I think they should have a problem with is the fact that they're portraying these deaf people as totally cloistered from all human reality. So the idea that their daughter wants to literally do anything other than sign for them and interpret what people are saying completely like blows their mind. Yeah, why are they so fucking shitty?

Yeah, that's the thing. That's the problem. The problem is like the conflict, there is no conflict. We are told that there's a conflict between the Rossy family and the community.

And we see a little bit of that when Leo goes to the bar. But it's not really like, you don't ever get the sense that they're really separated. Right. Well, they do separate them.

It's like with stupid tropes. Like that guy calls him a freak. He's deaf. Everyone knows he's deaf.

No one says that anymore. Yeah, but the issue with this though is the way those, the way the kind of drama unfolds and the way these conflicts arc, you end up looking at Frank and Jackie going like yourself ish. Oh, I know. And for most of the movie, it doesn't even really seem to turn all that much.

Especially, especially Jackie. Like Jackie is a monster in the way that she's like, no, you've got to do this for us. You've got to do this for us. Until that really nice scene that Amelia Jones and Marley Matlin act their asses off on the bed.

Like where Jackie says, I kind of wish you were deaf. That screenplay and those lines aren't great, but they fucking blow the lid off of what that is. But even then, you don't have this clear, so she's wished she was, so she's resented her whole life and so she doesn't want her to go. No, she doesn't resent her.

I'm asking questions because the movie, because the screenplay is so non-nuanced, there's no subtext to any of the shitty way that she's treating her daughter at the beginning of the movie. I think it earns that by saying like, oh, you know, by saying like, I was afraid I was gonna be distant, but we're not distant. And that's the thing. And it kind of, the screenplay doesn't earn it, but the performances do.

We're like Jackie and Frank have that conversation with Ben, like, I'm losing my baby. And like then you start getting like- She was never a baby, yeah. But then you start getting like why Jackie's doing this. But it's not any other performer in that, like not any other performer, but unless accomplished performers in those roles don't make that work.

And that's why the screenplay is bad. The screenplay is bad because it hinges so entirely on its performances. But I don't think it didn't know that when it was- I'm sure she did know that when it was written. There's a very good chance this movie stays like a hallmark movie and never elevates at any point.

But even like the conversation that Leo has with Ruby on the beach. And this isn't like really good. This isn't the show in Hater. I think it's Hater.

Hater, because like I think she makes the directorial choice that she makes to tell Amelia Jones. And I can only assume she did this to sing not extremely well. Sure. And refine it and refine it.

Shows that she knows how to direct after. Well, she makes the really, I mean, she's making it to things. So she makes several very good choices. She makes the choice and maybe it's not like it.

Maybe it's an easier choice than I think it is to have a really extended moment when they're at the concert when you cannot hear anything. And I thought that was- it needed to be long because you kind of needed to kind of get inside like how uncomfortable that might have been for them to just kind of be sitting there and not having any idea what's going on. I actually kind of have expected her to start signing her duet at some point so she could- because she can see them talking about like signing what you want for dinner and like spaghetti. Like I'll have to go to the grocery store and just kind of like not paying attention.

But I think the movie's screenplay bailing is not just in the dialogue. It's not just in the subtext. It's in the fact that this whole group is presented like as a unit the entire time. So very clearly Leo and Ruby's friend who are having a relationship are like signing to each other.

She's learned some rudimentary signs they're communicating but they never show us like that. No, I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with it because again it lacks- it shows that there's no subtext. It's just- it's all like- I think that- I think I like that because it's subtextual.

But it's because we get the introduction with Gertie that like you know that Ruby sees Gertie as just like the person who wants to fuck Leo. But she's actually has re-learned interest in Leo. And I mean she does want to fuck him. But she's actually interested.

I think she actually is kind of interested in it. I think there's assumptions you can make that she's been around the sky for a while. I'm not- I'm okay with making assumptions in films. But you shouldn't have to.

The screenplay should be better. I mean with something like that I don't need my hand out. It's not about holding hands because they would- they could show developing relationships. I would say if this movie's other problems were more nuanced I would be okay with the assumptions and films.

Sure. But I don't think if the other problems were more nuanced I would be okay with the assumption that that's- Sure. But I don't think if the other problems were more nuanced I don't think that would be an assumption that you have to make. I think it might be because it's so- But what I'm saying is that there would be evidence.

There would be stuff. Because I guess what I'm saying too is that it can't be inconsequential. Is that Leo also is actively developing as a character. Because the nature of that development should be evident somewhere in the thing.

And the screenplay misses a prime opportunity where like you kind of get Leo's apprehension and apprehension and apprehension. And Leo's insecurity with like being older but being presented as kind of like the younger sibling. Because of Ruby's being able to hear. And then you know a more- a screenplay that is more on- which is actually kind of like a fifth conflict that earns into it that kind of doesn't go anywhere.

Like had redeveloped that conflict in a way that builds well. We could have had the assumption of Gertie seeing Leo as a spoolie realized person. It's just that's in the periphery. Like you resolve it by going like Gertie a hearing person who's of the same age as Ruby.

18. We've done this- we've done this movie before. You know I don't know what specific- the reference of it but why not have Gertie- again this movie is so long. It's like two hours long.

Why not have- why not have Gertie actively trying- like Gertie wanting to learn stuff and him trying to teach her stuff. And then again I hate when I rewrite these movies but I'm just trying to add some text. No because then you have the added layer of the way that he is contributing to the family. Because the screenplay is so silly.

His problem is that like I'm older than you. I'm the older brother. I'll fix it. And my question is how are you going to fix it?

Because they've brought up like get an interpreter. We can't afford an interpreter so how are you going to fix it? Part of the growth of his- So that's insane. Like the scene- the one complaint I will agree with is the scene in which they're imposing the fines and there's not a provided interpreter for them.

I'm like- It's fishing man. It's- it's- it's Glauster fishing. There is no way they would accept a family member to interpret that would demand. I was watching that just as a state employee.

I was like there's no fucking way they would accept her. Right. To be there. Which is not a real complaint but it's just like- The way he's like- I guess if the statement were like when you have a minor complaint about something, forget about it.

You should. Like a minor ticket calculate because I was like that's not true. But I was like that's not true. Right.

And I kind of had a similar thing about like the turn when like the um- the observer turns them into the coast guard because they can't hear the coast guard calling them and whatever. Even though it seems like she turns them into the coast guard for that. It doesn't matter. My statement I guess relates to the idea that like they were opportunistic.

Everyone's supposed to- they haven't put it- they made a movie in which there's a family and every member of the family is growing towards something. They're not stagnant. They're not the same as they were at the beginning of the movie. So there's opportunities contained in all of these things for them to actually show that but they don't show it.

They kind of rest like we've said on the actors to kind of show it through performance even though the script doesn't allow them opportunities to do it. And like the way that the film is shot doesn't like provide context clues or sub-contextual clues about like what's actually happening. Because the performances are good and because we're super smart we're just like well I can assume that this is what's happening. I can assume that this is what's gonna happen.

But this- there's- there are places where you could have developed that stuff further. They wouldn't have taken like a whole bunch of time. Just a couple of quick things here. We could do a couple less scenes of Ruby being mad at Miles before she takes him- Yeah.

Pointlessly to a- to a ravine to jump in water. Which is- which is hilarious. This is where I've always argued where people say like stunt performances need Oscars and I agree. And I've always argued casting directors need Oscars because Miles that character cut the fuck out of the character.

Yeah we don't need that conflict. We don't need anything. We don't need to do anything. We don't need to do anything.

We've got another plate. But um, for Dea Walsh, Pilo, playing Miles, whatever. He does a good enough job and him and Amelia Jones have enough like they create enough chemistry between them. Or like when they're sitting in the ravine in the water I'm like oh I wanna see you two kiss.

Come on, kiss. Yeah, absolutely. And they do and I'm like yeah. But I'm like that doesn't- I don't like why.

Yeah. It's like this is like a pro wrestling thing almost where it's just like oh you're- it's terrible writing carried by charismatic actors. But it's also because like I didn't know that was gonna- my problem with that scene from a writing standpoint is like I didn't know what was gonna happen. So she got in a fight with her parents and then she just didn't show up for work the next day.

When she doesn't show up for work the next day I'm just like what is she going to do. She's all of a sudden with Miles who she was like super against for like a long time. It's like but this is it. This is what's happened.

This is what you're doing instead of being at work. Like fine but establish that this is an option. You know what I mean? Don't just make it like oh here and they're here.

You're doing this right? That's good. It's a good use of your time. So it wasn't mad at her too when like her parents were like she's like oh again.

Oh, what's again? When she's fucking like Amelia Jones is signing like the- like on the shoulder. I know. I'm playing me.

I'm like fuck. She's like- really quickly. I'm gonna say this just the shit I moved from last week. Why are we still talking about Kristen Stewart in like the actress performance when like this is here.

Like there's also another great performance this year. No, we'll talk about that later. I'll leave a note for later because I wanted to have that exact conversation. But like that's the thing.

I think so we're kind of like talk- I think we should focus on the positive in this. And the fact that I think it is a bad screen play. I think technically it doesn't work a lot. But this is a move- it's a good movie.

And like I am not faulting it. It's going to be a best picture nominee. Looks like. And I am- I assume it has to be at this point.

We'll talk about that again. Because I've never seen like performances so lift up material. Yeah. And I think the material is very thin.

Like I can't look at anybody in the snow going like they're not doing- they're not fucking like burning rubber on this. Like everybody's doing really great work. Even like you're supporting characters. Like like Gertie.

Like Miles who don't have to do a lot. Like they're doing it. Gertie sells the bar interaction with Rio. Like right after he gets in the fight.

You like that couple. So these are the voices of direction. So the interaction when they cross phones and they're texting each other like with their phones or like next to each other. And then it's stupidly like they're fucking in the bathroom.

But like that's fine because it's like so charismatic. It is. But it's also just kind of like yeah okay fine. Because the moment before that is really- Well because it's hand-holding.

But it's really powerful. Yeah. Is that like she's- and again so there's opportunities that they just kind of leave there. Is that like she's communicating with him.

And that's what we see like- And that's what he's been saying is that like we can figure this out. And his parents are like we can't figure it out. We can't do anything. And it's great.

And it's great. And like there's- I mean credits to- Some degree I don't necessarily want to- I don't think it's a screenplay. Credits to the direction in the fact that like re-established you're already got somebody who just wants to fuck Leo. Yeah.

And when she does that re-established you're somebody who's actually interested in Leo. Yeah. And it's so dumb from like an actual depth- I was saying actual- from a depth of- a movie themes or what not standpoint. But it works because you're rooting for everybody in this movie.

Except in the screenplays roof fighting against you to be like no everyone's a piece of shit. But then you have these performances and the direction of these scenes and allowing your actors to work saying no you are. So you kind of come to this crossroads where like the middle of the way through the movie. I'm like fuck these parents.

Even at the end of the movie when they're like let's go up. I'm just like guys they said specifically no parents allowed to- Is that a cost? By that point. By that point I sold.

Like I was- when she started signing. I started- I started turning up. Sure. Me too.

But like I was still mad that they went. And I was still- and I was like this is an interesting choice to make them see. They're in there. Because I was like- I do mean for her.

I will say I'm just figured like you can't go in the bottom with her at the top of the spine. Whatever. Right. So I assume stuff.

I did think of one bad- like the one bad directorial choice. There's some bad directorial choice. But the one really bad directorial choice is like when the three Berkeley teachers look up and I'm like in my head I'm like oh do they actually like Ruby's performance or do they go like this is a story? I thought that too.

Yeah. And I'm just like I don't want to think that. Yeah. I don't want to think like I want to think that they accepted Ruby because of performance and not because of like clearly that's our family.

And that family's fucking death. Right. Yeah. She can hear.

And I'm just like I was just saying to them and we're using context. But also the problem is they get distracted. Right. They have.

They're not focused on the performer anymore. They look up which means like how engaging is their performance if they look up. Right. Well and I to that point I guess I just the weirdest positive negative.

It's definitely not. Yeah. It's one of the negative. I don't because I'm just a matter I'll just this.

I'll talk to the speech of the review that we're doing. We've done this before where we really like a movie. But we just wish that like these it was in some way different. way different so we could like just love it because this movie desperately wants me to love it and I actually kind of really do want to love it but it just it just the script in some of the things that it asks of me I'm just like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that like I'm not gonna go there you could have that should have been better you should have done that better there's no reason I should hate Jackie and and it seems like we're shooting on scene head to head here but she's young like she's 44 years old right there's a lot of promise here I want to see you as the other needs there I feel cycles with the script and reducing it and cutting stuff out and looking through things and asking what works makes us a fucking exactly what it is because I'm this is like as like someone who's like writing a book and like who had people like looking at it like there was my advisor and stuff like that would read my book and they'd be like what is this person what does this person want and what does this character want what does this character want and I think I was watching this movie I was actively thinking like what does Jackie want and she just wants her daughter to stay here and interpret for her and like what does Frank want like I have no idea but he definitely doesn't want his life to change at all and like what does Leo wants like Leo seems like he wants to take initiative here but like can't because he's deaf so like he's like a connish Leo Leo definitely of the family the most nuanced outside right but it's but then he wants to be a person and like present but it's present but it's also not shown on screen it's not shown on screen it's not developed at all you know I mean we have to just re-found it by working it and I don't want to I don't want to and I don't want to think and also why is Mr.

V this really pressing and person suddenly like not realizing that there's a world outside of this fucking choir in Berklee music school but I mean why does his right and then so that's the movie that's I love that trans fixes me I don't worry about the little details about like fishing law and like where taxpayer money goes to and like how people can afford certain homes and stuff like that but when you're just grasping for some of these subtextual clues to kind of make sense of the emotions that are in the movie and your answers are just kind of make you ask like more questions you're just feeling like a little off you know I really like this movie there are parts of it that I felt just kind of like that's weird what's this funny and the reason I think we're so not a guest but so kind of like frustrated to agree is because there's a lot of skill behind it yes I think and let's because this is a small movie we're gonna put it up on Twitter we're gonna hashtag it or add it or whatever it may be someone that's associated with this movie listen to it we really genuinely like this movie and I actually I'm gonna show it to my wife like later and I know like I know how her mind works and she's gonna see it and it's gonna rip her up and she's gonna tell like everybody she works with to watch this movie which I mean which is I think you don't have an Apple TV plus but like but also the issue is like we're gonna talk about off off off camera I'll cut you off sorry but um no but um we're talking about off podcast we've seen a shit on the movies and so we're now judging movies by that this really nuanced perspective and when we just shit on a movie and like move on like that's because we don't think there's any and we know we're still guys we don't think there but when we really tear it not tearing something but really well but there's a lot there and we're just like oh we wish it went here and here and here which is not fair no like the nature of like having a conversation is the nature of this podcast like we're just kind of talking about stuff so if you were writing like a review of this obviously wouldn't say like we wish you had done these things differently we would say this worked because of this and this didn't work because of this and it has this number associated with it forever um you know in a splatter it's a make it would still be a thing definitely a to me yeah so it'd be like three out of four stars it would be four out of five stars it would be you know like I said b plus b but there's there's definitely a there's a super talented director here I don't know how our writing is like if we fair I don't know I don't I don't think this Apple aesthetic works at all it's very um it is very corporate feeling yeah very algorithmy which is just feels it it is an aesthetic choice well did you watch any of Finch so I watch a couple of minutes of Finch because I wanted to test my theory is the robot movie it's the robot movie it's not the boat movie not the great hound right um this is the robot movie and no because Apple TV plus bought greyhound they made Finch Finch feels the exact same way it feels like they were like we got Tom Hanks alone which has yielded good results we've got robots and a dog that's like crunch the numbers let's see if that moves some bit of magic that robot had just been doing Cait Kayla Blandry Jones songs yeah it'd be awesome it's just a nice movie of mine it was like co- I can't put my trial um yeah they they bought tragedy of my bath right no that's me I'm gonna guess that Joel Cohen is has enough juice that he can make whatever movie he wants and if he doesn't killers of um whatever killers of a star moon they keep on say sacred moon killers of a lot of moons and deep trouble which I don't think that was gonna be good anyway uh I think I rewatched Irishman why did you do that did see how many times did you watch Irishman three times I was gonna say what did you think the third time through yeah I think about it a lot because I talk about on the podcast the podcast I can't I just keep thinking it can't be as bad as it is but it is yeah it's terrible Joel Pish is good though yeah so is um he knows pretty good in it too for the little yes Harvey Kitell Stevie Stevie Stevie Stevie Stevie Stevie Stevie Stevie Graham oh yeah Stevie Graham's not mad right and invent him I did not see venom let her be carton you did I but he's in it I'm assuming he's good at it uh venom letter b carton is now available for rent and I have like 30 dollars worth of Microsoft money and if by the end of the month I watch three movies from Microsoft uh that are over four dollars I'll get another 2,500 points I'm literally just cycling points now nice to buy video games they're doing it perfectly uh I thought about running that but I did it because I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that a 24 by the way maybe from a 24 is listening they're not but if you are souvenir part two no it's not just fucking part two cunts all of them what the fuck a 24 and Sony pictures classic what the fuck no one's going to see your movies or you know what release your goddamn movie listen souvenir part two okay we're gonna talk about pointing point in a second but we're gonna go off and attention here I want to see my damn souvenir part two it's like everything's the doctor fuck the future goddamn shit I'm do D.O.D. I would pay 30 dollars to come on come on literally to rent come on come on today because I want to see it it's in nearby theaters it was in middletown and it was in criteria yeah still it does have one showing like three forty five sevens I think it leaves this week lots of movie we kind of have to see because things are talk no but I want I actively want to see it they come on uh come on leaves on friday from criterion oh I wonder why because we're giving all the theaters to spider-man but I'm guessing that actually sorry it leaves tomorrow yeah oh leaves tomorrow yeah let's look at me and my we're doing things that we do like in private which is look at screen time to try to manage our day souvenir part two wins is best picture of the year according to science out we know how I feel about souvenir yeah souvenir came out in america in october and was released in like 20 theaters yep and you can't eight 24 nobody's going to the movies it movies are the theater Mario is on the out fucking nine days came out in june okay I drove up the plane build to see nine days with two other people my wife being one of them okay they played there for a week it played like I think a couple of other theaters for like a week it took until november for it to come out on VOD eight twenty four time and I spent forty dollars to watch Spencer we did forty dollars to watch fucking Spencer I didn't even finish it I did I wish I did it if you really sue in your part two well I guess it's your point I didn't feel bad about thirty dollars yeah I'll do it yeah I'll spend thirty dollars to watch june on just fucking do it absolutely I will spend thirty dollars to have my feelings about the first souvenir confirmed which is something I really want to do I want to have that conversation I want to have two Mario I want to have conversation about all this stuff there's no reason for this to be happening it's enough with the movie even Ridley Scott it took him six weeks but he put last duel on the man six weeks is nothing these indie movie houses are fucking taking forever yeah for nothing just no one's going to see your movie and theaters just release it what Anderson did it that French French is already out yeah so we must don't spend it but you know it is available don't spend twenty dollars is he for literally don't spend twenty dollars to see the French French dispatching I can't say the word right now because it is bad yeah this next movie is boiling point I mean to be down the corner now hey I'm gonna call it in two seconds all right I'm looking up what's that say oh dear it's a fucking joke in it and it's your first week so it's my responsibility it's not a first week in any fucking kitchen always it there's a million kids out there who would die for this fucking opportunity that you've been given that you've been given that's right it's time and time again you know the real man I promise I didn't do the last night today I apologize I apologize I apologize I said sorry I didn't know it's an honest day chef Thursday good see you mate I know it's the she's critics are a sapper has you know all right well people don't fucking say the thing even the food gets it wait what's going on about this is about you taking two hundred pounds you've got me sorry two hundred pounds which have quick picture bit of a fun by moment but it's all right hey oh my god you're stuck out to be one of us I do not fucking like it they don't like you nobody like you got to this you can come and make a decision to make a right there and you don't do it you you going back welcome back did we do the commercial thing yeah don't have my headphones on uh the second film we're gonna talk about is the British independent film awards darling for the year oh yeah I think it was the most nominated film in the British independent film well I think good for them put me on that but um this with souvenir part two do we talk about that yet I don't know if we have we have to forgot it has a review because we haven't seen it no we should be talking about like the fact that we haven't seen it again anyway boiling point is a feature link adaptation of a short film made by Philip Barantina with Stephen Graham they made the short film together and that was really critically hailed and now they made a feature length film it details the life of Andy Jones a head chef of a kind of hip up-and-coming restaurant um through one of the most stressful days of his life he is recently separated from his wife you can assume I think so yeah they've I mean they're definitely separated but I don't know why I don't know how if it's white far I have to whatever it's white yeah but again we're making assumptions again we just yell at each other for that unless this entire film takes place in one shot I think actually when they made this film there's actually an interesting like production thing behind this they tried this movie multiple times it was made during covid oh okay multiple times they had this they I think they tried nine times to make this but they just kept being insecure with the closeness and the proximity of people yeah because you know it's filmed at a restaurant gotta fill the right and you have to fill it to make it really cool and so eventually they did four shots um they say four shots and they took the third one oh cool of this and it just details the life of the most stressful day of Andy Jones the head chef of this restaurant as he deals with uh his own life problems the life problems of his shoe chef Carla is he a shoe chef yeah uh I remember she's declared his shoe chef the front of house Beth I believe the manager like yeah manager um you know when we're just we keep following people we keep following dramas and eventually things kind of unfold in a really grim weird dark way uh this film is a aspric fucking marvel i think it is you think it's an MCU movie you know i think i think this film is perfect to avoid hmm this movie is so utterly stressful and so well acted so well scripted so well directed this one shot um until it's ending hmm it's final moment where it kind of falls apart because it follows on the easiest kind of thematic ending possible yeah um short do that's the short ended yeah uh so that way when i was watching the show so the film ends uh re-follow Andy as he's kind of stressfully dealing with this day he comes off as a cunt that's where he's grabbing early on but then we're humanizing we keep following him as he goes about his things uh alistar sky kind of like his proveyor his i don't necessarily want to say um it's like a mentor his mentor yeah i don't want to say that well they seem like they're of like a similar generation but maybe like from a chef's perspective yeah alistar and then you know he brought a really really jessie flaming performance saying like i am the business mind and you're the chef like you're the cook um all these things are working really well until we culminate in the finale just boiler alerts this was boiler alert uh where we kind of learned that Andy has been next dream alcoholic and drug addict and he presumably dies of a heart attack yo-dees and something yo-dees and dies of heart attack at the end after he's said he's gonna get help i'll cut that out i'll cut the fact that like that ending happens um before then this film is a mar is fantastic right i think it is so tightly scripted so well performed so insanely consistent with its narrative threads that i was locked in but interestingly enough a lot of this movie i live in the pivotal film towers because the pivotal film towers is the most brilliant place you've ever been 120 stores up yeah and the top of the towers the penthouse of the towers is two stories and you can watch a film from the second floor down yeah i had to watch part of the movie from the second floor down because it was so fucking anxiety produced that's good i literally sat i'm not kidding i literally stood over there i'm pointing now at the um the balcony the balcony of my second floor the upper balcony downstairs because i spilled with so much anxiety watching this i need some separation yeah from it this is the movie the sappy brothers wish they could make mmm that's a dig the dig that i like mario and why is it the movie the sappy brothers wish they could make because it didn't need any extraneous shit it didn't need sound design it didn't need the music it didn't need the editing it just needed a script and it needed actors and it needed a closeness of direction and it was the most uncomfortable feeling fucking movie i've watched in a long time that's all that that's what i can say because even Graham who say one of the better actors for me of our time we see so reliable so reliable yeah he's not always making so it's interesting to compare him to someone like Tom Hardy because they have the same shape like they're both British then i'm gonna let her be garnished yeah they both invented another regarding but they're both like Steven Graham so toxic and they're he's he's a toxin kind of character they're both they have the kind of frame and they have the same kind of like demeanor like in a lot of their movies like angry but just kind of like really they have an intensity to them there's a rounding of shoulders yeah that's a really good way to put it rounding of shoulders always a rounding of shoulders but they carry themselves in a certain way in movies and which is not said like one is better than the other but i do think of them in a similar capacity um i i i i kind of wish i had so my story i guess is that i watched the short film first because it was a dollar ninety nine on amazon and i was like cool i thought i thought i was getting like a deal on the movie but that was you get the ms ms report points you know i didn't know i'm spending six dollars in the movie itself so i so i watched the short and i was like how are i gonna make this and do like a like i'm not watching this right now i only thought it was gonna turn it off because the short was very um uh like holding up the the auteur chef like model like the the white male like angry at everybody because his art isn't understood because there's just like a lot of yelling by of white guys at people for not understanding what they're trying to do in a compilation but then it ends the same way you know i mean it kind of hits the same beats he's got um there's like there's more subtext in it so there's like a kid he has a kid that he's not seeing there's people that want um like time off first off the dishwasher is late um the front of the house um Beth in this case um he's kind of like and he has an antagonistic relationship with her because her dad behind answer the restaurant um all this other stuff so all that's there in the short and the short all of our sky in the short not i would assume he's um but douchebags are in the short you know i mean where he comes instagram influencers i don't know their instagram influencers they're just oh no those those characters in the short they're friends of Beth's so she's just like oh they're my friends make them whatever i tell you to make them this movie i think which i find i find this movie more fascinating than like intense maybe because i had the misfortune like watching the short verse so i was like how are they gonna translate this short film into this longer than piece and i was like well they're gonna do this and they're gonna do this and they're gonna do this and that's really fascinating so now their instagram influencers and they're not related to Beth so Beth is like a kind of she's like a sovereign nation unto herself in the restaurant where like nobody seems to like her um you know she's making her own decisions and everyone's kind of against her and she's just kind of like alone at the front of the house um you know the sous chef in the short is a as a guy who's almost angrier it seems like then um Carly so so so so so the it's like Freeman in the film um so like Freeman has all the anger and Carly's right but he's right next to Andy so his anger is representative of Andy's anger so Carly now is between them because it's like he's terrible and it seems like the reasons that he's angry have less to do which is genius and have more to do with being able to just do his job which which i i did not see the short but i can only assume this kind of the genius of expanding it to a feature is the fact that like when Alistar says like Barry Carley on this and he doesn't and just like no that's my fucking fault so there's a great scene where she goes like oh no yeah that's just like whoa that's my i think it's i think it's excellent i thought it was an excellent movie at a really good time with it having worked in any working a restaurant but i worked in like i never i never i've never i've never i've never i've never I've ever worked in fast food for like a little bit of time but like i've been 16 to 18 in a Boston market in some way um so i don't have like this exactly like the heat of this at 14 i worked in a McDonald's and that's like 14 for 14 i've done in a domino's for a while but That's pretty laid back. Yeah, and neither of these were laid back. But they're more laid back than this.

But I also know that food stuff is interesting. The restaurant setting is interesting because there's a bunch of inherent stresses that come with working with food and making people food. And so in the beginning, in the short, the customers aren't really a part of it, just like in one scene and in the movie, which I was so smart, the kitchen's exposed. So the customers are present like- Yeah, I saw in the trailer was short, it's like a separate kitchen.

Right. And so he goes into the dining room once and then he comes back and that's it. But here the dining room is always here. Which is the way they stage it with the health inspector.

Not Health Inspector, he's like a, I guess he's a health inspector. He's a health inspector. I guess I can only- It looked like he was a private health inspector? So I tried to look up what this meant, but I don't know what it is, but I assume it was like a general- Can a restaurant go from five stars to three stars because you didn't fill out all the paperwork?

I thought I was like a health inspector thing. I thought so too. But it might get British thing because I also look up a GCSE, which just means high school diploma. It's a general certificate of secondary education.

When he says like- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Two of the guy who's like shucking oysters. Yeah, but GCSE. I was like what the fuck is a GCSE?

Right. Which is also, once again, a great thing about streaming your movies, you can pause a movie and be like, what does this mean? Right. Because I'm American.

And I don't know what this means. My only, this movie for me has two flaws because I think other than these two things, it's an exceptional piece of work. It's a great use of, we kind of off the camera, we just, we talked a little bit about the killing of two lovers. And I think it's the same thing where it's a great use of constraints in making a movie that feels more tense than Uncut Gems.

Because when we talk about Uncut Gems, neither of us were like all the writing is like, so tense. And neither of us felt tense at all. Except for like the end, and I just kind of felt gross at the end of the movie. But that was neither here nor there.

But this movie's new flaws is that it tries to do the thing which these movies always try to do, which is like introduce a bunch of sub-narratives to like the main narrative. So there's like the pastry chef, and then like the pastry chef's assistant who is cutting himself. There's like the dishwasher who's pregnant, and then there's the dishwasher who's late and then goes to get drugs and then comes back. And then it gets weed.

No, no, it's not other drugs. It's just like the kind of side narrative thing that's going on. I'm okay with, I would have liked to have seen it just like contained the narrative thing. I think that works about for me with that.

I just love that too though. The thing that works for me with that is the fact that it is a one shot movie. Like we need those aside to breathe. That was gonna be my exact question.

So my feeling about the need for them was they're trying to build a narrative tension as to like what's gonna be the thing that breaks this movie. You know what I mean? Because it's all one shot. It's nothing breaks this.

Well, it does. The heat breaks at the end when he goes into his office. What it did, it is bad. No, but that's what I'm saying is I think the movie's trying to lay breadcrumbs or different give you options or the thing that will.

So there's Carly and her raise. There's, what's his name? Freeman? Freeman?

And just his general feelings about how the operation is run. There's obviously Andy and everything that's going on with him. There's Alastair and what's happening at his table. But then there's also the pastry chef.

And then there's also the dishwasher guy. And there's the French cook. You know what I mean? Yeah, the French.

And so there's all these things. One of these things is going, which one of these things is going to be the thing that, because it's not just gonna do this forever. Or the shitty customer. I would have been happy.

Honestly, I was on board with this being my second, then it's the my second best movie of the year. When he dumps out the cocaine and says like, I'm going to be better. Like, end it there. Like you have, like I feel as though the intensity of the food industry is kind of like a prevalent theme throughout people's lives.

We all watch the network a lot. Yeah, like boiling point, the name of the movie is the name of Gordon Ramsay's documentary. This boiling point. Oh, the one with him trying to get the Michelin star.

Yeah. Re-end it there. When he dumps out the cocaine and pours out the rest of the vodka. He's drinking some weird off out of a water bottle a little time.

Yeah, which I love. I love the little nod. Like when he's drinking like the water bottle, he's not. But it's so good because in the beginning of the movie, and again, I knew from the short that he was drinking vodka.

But in the beginning of the movie, and this is why I don't worry about spoilers, because I still appreciate things. In the beginning of the movie, you're watching Stephen Graham just kind of like, like he always like moves his water bottle and like he'll just take these nascent steps from him in the middle of a conversational debate. Then he'll put it down and then he'll move it again. And all this and stuff with my other.

No, don't do that. Like you end the movie. He dumps the shit. You hear somebody call for Andy.

He comes once again rewriting. But I think this is important because it's the entire idea of this movie is like the food service things that cycle. Like they have a hard day. There's a lot of shit going on.

Yeah. And they keep mentioning especially with Beth. Both inside the restaurant and outside. Yeah.

With Beth, like, let's get a drink. Like that's a big present. Trying to get a drink. Like that really good moment with Carly and Beth.

Like that's like the best moment. We should just try to build relationships. Yeah. But like in the earlier, it's just like that fucking breakdown from Carly.

And then it tells Beth like you fucked up. And you know, Vinette Robinson fucking knocks us. Like everyone, from Fort Stan's point knocks us out of the park. Like this is these are two movies where the performance is.

Well, even... Even Hannah. Yeah, go ahead. My problem is is like it feels like it needed to have this a plumb ending.

And like he collapses and I'm like, no fucking. Right, go do this. But that's exactly what I'm saying is that the movie establishes early on that it's not just gonna end normally because it can't, right? It can't just be like from the beginning of service to the end of service.

You can fucking end it. Like when he's like the right scene where Andy Steven Graham is fucking losing it to Carly and Carly's like, I have to leave and he keeps trying to like say like yes I know she's like shut the fuck up. You end it there or end it like with something right like let's go back out front to finish serving You go back up bring it like I don't need right? I don't need this to be the biggest biggest moment in Andy's life I need this to be something I need this to be a momentary's life I don't need this to be the last day I think what you're saying is that what I think what I would have it I think I agree with you is the idea that like um and this is I we're still on my one flaw the idea that all of these little things Probably happen in a restaurant setting like most days every time you work in a restaurant There's something that could anything that could happen at any given moment that could literally derail whatever you're doing Especially if you're trying to do something very specific if you're working in a TGI Fridays and you poison somebody It's not any different than the fact that everybody else that's eaten at TGI Friday is about like super diarrhea or something You know I mean like it's not like the end of the world There's not gonna be no more TGI Friday because you're like not someone sick from an allergy But here in this setting like it's probably true that like you know It's gonna get there's clearly a food critic here You know the fact that you gave a customer with a nut allergy and not and they had went into anaphylactic shock and had to be you know And the building is a big is a big deal.

You probably didn't it's probably clever You were doing the work of setting up the tension by having all these different things that could cause tension happening simultaneously You didn't need the payoff of the movie actually probably works better It doesn't pay off with him doing a huge line of coke and then like passing out the thing It actually probably would have been made more sense Narratively for him to do a huge line of coke take a huge swive of vodka and then just go back out there take some more No, right? Right? Right of the coke sure just just having just the big reveal of the fact that like that water ball's been full of vodka Coke some stuff even in the short the coke seems so cheap and I was like if this is because I kept it said that it was over In a minute and I was like maybe it's just wrong and there's gonna be another hour of this and like I'm gonna if this If there is I'm not gonna watch it because the coke seems so cheap in the short seems cheap here My other flaw which I think is is a little bit of a narrative line I guess related to coda is when the woman goes into anaphylactic shock and They bring her out into the to the street You know, I mean the ambulance is getting her Alastair the food critic are way too present And I understand that like what Alastair's deal is like he just had this conversation with Andy about like I broke He's like I gave you the money to like start this and I need money now cut me in for a certain amount of the profits And blah blah blah blah it's too it's too much The two there's no reason for them to be out there with them like having that conversation or there's not reason You got there with them is like the one narrative thing which is for Alastair to have the conversation like the Dump this you know dump this on Carly you need this Well, adding to the desk it's just adding to the desperation and I think the movie is we're talking about holding hands before the movie Doesn't trust us I think a little bit to feel Andy's desperation even up until the last moment it needs to pile on Yeah, and I'm just like my whole feeling with that was like you didn't need to keep piling on He's when he's sitting at the table having that conversation with him He looks and sounds and feels piled on to like there's nothing else you could do to him That was going to that's going to break him here He already seems as broken as he's ever going to be and so having sending him into that meeting with his team And then into the office to do coke and replenish his vodka is already if that's where you want to go It's already warranted by everything that's happening. It doesn't need that very hamfisted like oh the food critic for some reason Is patting the back of the the girl who went to shock like why is she here?