Conflict without collapse: Choosing a Third Way

I sit with award winning artist Jon Rubin to talk about what it means to be in conflict with an institution-particularly when that conflict is rooted in political conscience and solidarity. We talk about the sanctions he faced for publicly supporting Palestine, and how he navigated that by carving a third way- one rooted in the possibilities that art offers as a space for critical dialogue, imagination and refusal. We reflect on how early experiences shaped his approach and Jon gets us to reflect on how might art help us hold relational complexity.