Conservatism: Not Dead, Just Homeless | Josh Lewis of Saving Elephants

Trump's takeover of the GOP turned a buttoned-up party focused on small government and a cautious approach to change to a raucous, populist group made for the social media age. Some welcomed the shift. Others—like this week's guest—have been trying to pull the party back to its conservative roots ever since. Josh Lewis, founder of Saving Elephants, joined me to talk about where the GOP stands in 2025, what real conservatism actually looks like, and whether there's still a political home for it in a party that's more reality show than institution. We talk about his break from the party in 2016, third-party experiments, ranked-choice voting, and how to reform a system that rewards spectacle over substance.