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EPISODE · May 6, 2026 · 27 MIN

Content First or Design First? Settling the Debate with Sarah Johnson

from The Agents of Change Digital Marketing Podcast · host Rich Brooks

You've probably been there: the new website launches, it looks great, and then six months later you're wondering why the bounce rate is brutal and nobody's converting. Chances are, you designed the shell before you figured out the story. That's the problem Sarah Johnson has been solving for years. As the author of Content First Design and the forthcoming Meaning at Scale, Sarah works at the intersection of content strategy, user experience, and organizational alignment — and her argument is simple: if you don't know what you're saying or who you're saying it to, no amount of beautiful design is going to save you. In this episode, we dig into how to put content first, what "meaning drift" is costing your business, and how all of this connects to getting more out of AI. https://www.theagentsofchange.com/620 Need help with your branding, website, or digital marketing? Reach out to me (Rich Brooks!) today at https://www.takeflyte.com/contact

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