Conversations with John Lane - Episode 5: Is the Conciliar Church a new Church? Are the Paul VI Roman Rite sacraments valid?

This episode continues Louie Verrecchio’s extended conversation with John Lane, focusing on the long‑standing question “Where is the Church?” and how Catholics have grappled with this since the Second Vatican Council. Lane presents a curated set of historical quotations—from Frank Sheed, Cardinal Ratzinger, Archbishop Lefebvre, Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Suenens, Msgr. Gherardini, and Romano Amerio—showing that confusion about the Church’s identity, continuity, and visibility has been voiced for more than fifty years from both within and without the conciliar sect. The discussion explores the emergence of what Lefebvre called the “conciliar church,” and whether it constitutes a distinct society separate from the Catholic Church. They examine the limits of Archbishop Lefebvre’s attempts to reconcile contradictory realities, the principle of non‑contradiction in ecclesiology, and the difficulties involved in identifying who is a member of the Church.Finally, they discuss the validity of the new sacramental rites, the limitations of the arguments of conservations as to why they must be valid and the principles traditionalist often fail to adopt when considering sacramental validity. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit greatcatholicpodcasts.substack.com