COP 30 Brazil Reflection #1: How can the most affected, lead the dialogue?

An excerpt from a conversation between the host, Meenu Gupta and Dr. Ketakandriana Rafitoson. In this conversation, Meenu Gupta engages with Dr. Ketakandriyana Rafitoson, a political scientist and human rights defender from Madagascar, discussing the urgent need for climate justice and the role of governance in addressing corruption and social justiceThis except brings out Ke´s views on how COP can actually be  useful  instead of the current inertia of word excesses and less action.