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EPISODE · May 12, 2026 · 3 MIN

Copycat Tyranny

from Thinking about... · host Timothy Snyder

If you are American, there is no particular reason you would have heard of Zbigniew Ziobro. He was one of the authors of the attempt to transform Poland into an authoritarian regime. When this was halted by the Polish elections of 2023, he fled to Hungary. At that time Hungary was ruled by Viktor Orbán, who was building what seemed like an unstoppable authoritarian order. Ziobro, wanted in Poland for serious crimes, was welcomed by Orbán. But then Orbán too lost a dramatic election, and had to hand over power on Saturday. When democracy wins, the losers go to America, it seems. What was left for Ziobro? The United States. You might not have heard of Ziobro, but Donald Trump has. One of the sad things about Trump’s attempt to bury American democracy is its lack of originality. The models are foreign, including people you have heard of, like Putin, people you likely have heard of, like Orbán, but also minor figures such as Ziobro. Ziobro is a wanted man with no passport. The Trump White House just went to a good deal of trouble to bring him to the US. This teaches us, once again, how much the Trump project us an international one. Americans are punished every day, but foreign authoritarian friends are remembered. What does that say about us as a country, right now? I reflect on this and other questions in this little video, filmed here in Poland. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit snyder.substack.com/subscribe

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