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EPISODE · Jul 15, 2026 · 52 MIN

Crypto Is No Longer In The Dreaming Phase, We're Now In The Big Boy Era

from The Edge Podcast · host DeFi Dad

Johann Eid is the Chief Business Officer at Chainlink Labs.In this episode, Johann walks us through how crypto has evolved from a dreaming phase of romanticized white papers into its "big boy era," where hundreds of billions are now onchain, institutions from around the world are tokenizing RWAs like stocks, and stablecoins have changed the lives of everyday people from Lebanon to South America. He emphasizes why security is the foundation of everything built, what Chainlink's CCIP offers for an interoperable DeFi economy, and why AI agents transacting onchain represent the next wave of users nobody is pricing in yet.------💎 THIS EPISODE'S SPONSORS🔒 KPK | Best risk-adjusted yield through automated vaults🏦 AXIS | The Origin Vault launches on Ethereum on July 29th🌐 RE | Earn real yield backed by regulated reinsurance programs🕛 NOON | The highest and safest stablecoin yield, built for the long term🟠 APYX | The first dividend-backed stablecoin (DBS)🌏 MANTLE | The world’s premier RWA distribution layer🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | ETH staking solutions for scale⚔️ KATANA | Deep liquidity & real yield------⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:00 - Intro2:18 - How DeFi transformed from lofty ideas to real use cases7:37 - Every institution wants to migrate its business logic onchain12:14 - What finally pushed TradFi to move onchain18:06 - Security means everything for adoption of DeFi24:58 - CCIP and lessons from LayerZero-rsETH exploit30:18 - Prediction markets and Chainlink's role34:31 - Are AI agents the next wave of new users?40:21 - What DeFi and TradFi misunderstand about each other43:05 - The most bullish factor for Chainlink45:30 - What needs to happen for DeFi to replace TradFi legacy markets?50:48 - Closing------🔗 GUEST LINKS► Chainlink website: https://chain.link/► Chainlink on X: https://x.com/chainlink► Johann Eid on X: https://x.com/EidJohann------🎙️ MORE FROM THE EDGE PODCAST AND EDGE NEWSLETTER► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------DISCLAIMER: Nothing said on The Edge Podcast is a recommendation to buy or sell tokens or securities. This content is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Nothing shared here is financial advice. Any views expressed by hosts or guests on the show are solely their opinions. Always do your own research. DeFi Dad, Nomatic, and guests may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast.

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