Dame Jacinda Ardern on leadership, religion, kindness, the state of the world, and Rhythm and Vines

It's taken seven years of asking (I'm very patient), but I finally get to sit down with our 40th Prime Minister, Dame Jacinda Ardern. She's beaming in from the other side of the world, but we manage to squeeze in just under an hour to discuss her book, A Different Kind of Power, which is enjoying success across the globe. We discuss her leadership and having no regrets about departing when she did. Jacinda shares her insights into the state of the world right now, and why she believes empathy and kindness are more important than ever. Oh yeah – and that time she tripped over at Rhythm and Vines... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices