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EPISODE · Aug 5, 2025 · 1H

Dan and Michael Learn a Trade: College, Craft, and the Cult of Work

from People Stuff · host Michael Scroggins, Dan Souleles

This week on People Stuff, Dan and Michael get their hands dirty—literally and intellectually.💥 They tackle the big questions:Should you go to college or learn a trade?What’s it really like working in a modern factory?Why are oil field jobs impossible to fill (and even harder to keep)?Along the way, they talk about:The myth of “college as transformation”How AI is reshaping universities (and cheating’s golden age)The decline of unions and the lost art of solidarityFixing professional sports through relegation (sorry, NFL fans)And yes—what happens when your HR department gets too anthropological.👷‍♂️ From Texas high schools to South Carolina factories, to Bakersfield oil fields, this episode explores how work shapes identity, class, and meaning.Chapters:00:00 – Intro03:00 – Forbes 30 Under 30 and the Theil Fellows fiasco08:00 – College vs. Trade School22:00 – Life on the Factory Floor38:00 – Fixing Sh*t: Professional Sports Edition46:00 – Oil, Labor, and Truth in Job Ads59:00 – Outro + Fake Sponsor (Robot Plumber)Works Cited:“30 under 30-year sentences: why so many of Forbes’ young heroes face jail” by Arwa Mahdawi https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/06/forbes-30-under-30-tech-finance-prison“Breaching Experiments” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaching_experimentStudies in Ethnomethodology, by Harold Garfinkel (you may want to bookmark this one; Michael brings it up a lot) That’s it for this week’s People Stuff — the show where two anthropologists try (and sometimes fail) to make sense of people.If you’ve got a question, a dilemma, or just something deeply weird about humanity you’d like us to unpack, send it our way at people-stuff.com CreditsProduced by Gabe BullardMusic by The Endless BummerArt by Siobhan HeneganMarketing by Bryan HautLegal support by The Law Office of Matthew Shayefar, the one true business uncle.You can also sign up for our newsletter, drop us a voice memo, or become a Friend of People Stuff — which is our fancy way of saying you get to support the show and we get to keep talking about dust, dads, and late capitalism.So go to people-stuff.com

Do you need a degree—or just a wrench and some grit? Dan and Michael take on higher education, factory floors, and the future of labor.

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