Dan Pfeiffer: Gavin’s Gamble, J.B.’s Jibes & Other Harbingers of 2028

John welcomes Pod Save America cohost, Message Box author, and former top Obama adviser Dan Pfeiffer back to the show to discuss the burgeoning competition to be the face of the Democratic Party’s future. Pfeiffer assesses the risks and rewards of California governor Gavin Newsom’s redistricting gambit for his presidential ambitions; the efforts of Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker to make his billionaire status tolerable to the populist base of his party; and the communication skills of thirtysomething rising stars Zohran Mamdani and James Talarico. Dan also answers the question on the lips of Democrats everywhere: Seven months into Trump 2.0, just how fucked are we?