If you order a Bloody Mary, you're totally cool. But if you order a Heineken at 7 a.m., alcoholic. Really? Oh, yeah.
I'll have a beer at 7 a.m. I'm in a Bloody Mary. What's a morning drink? I'll have five mimosas.
He's not a big drinker. Can I have half a bud? Alcoholic. 100%.
Cheers. Hey, guys. Brand new episode of Two Bears, One Cave. Tom said the doctor's getting his testosterone levels checked.
And they were off. They're really high. And he started his testicle trouble back up. So they're going to try to regulate them.
So he's on TRT. Oh, he's on everything. He's like, he is the most genetically engineered stand-up comedian. So is he?
He's still like, oh, he doesn't look that bad. He looks like a dad. Tom, at a very young age, his body fell apart. And he's been trying to repair it and get it back up.
You ever see that House Money Pit with Michael Keaton? Yes. That's Tom's body. Well, the thing is, if you're organically a little guy, look at my wrist.
Yeah. How much do you weigh? You've never been fat. My heaviest was like 159 after doing TRT.
I'm 26 or 159. Yeah. I've crapped things that are 159 pounds. I've had 159 pounds on top of me riding me.
So I go on the machine. They say that my lean mass is 113, and I'm carrying 34 pounds of fat at 147. I don't know if that's accurate. They're naturally like a big frame.
It can kind of get bigger, and it looks okay. When a little guy gets a belly and little shoulders, it's kind of like you can't shave your head if you have no chin and a baby face. You have to have Jason Strait, you have to have Bruce Willis. You have a baby face.
You've never had a beard. Until recently, right? Well, my wife got tired of fucking Howdy Doody. I mean, let's face it.
For a long time, you know, you can pull up pictures of me on One of the Boys, I was 27. I was, when I went to... Racing with the Moon. Racing with the Moon.
One of my favorite movies ever, and honestly, I've been racing with that haircut. I wanted Sean Penn's haircut in that movie my whole fucking life. My whole fucking life. Here's the story of that, because I know we share our love of flying.
I fly SFO to do the movie. Somehow I got cast. They thought I was pithy. So, Michael...
Who's the guy? Michael Madsen. He was... Yeah, Michael Madsen.
Yeah, Michael Madsen. We're both getting on a single-engine plane. And it's the thing where they're taking... This is, yeah.
And we're going to fly up to Napa together. That's the first time I met him. Is that when they shot that Napa? Yeah.
God damn it. And I got on, and we went right over San Francisco. It seemed like 100 feet over the pyramid. So, we came in, and I went into the trailer, and they butched my hair, and I saw Sean.
I go, what about Sean? Isn't he in the army? And he was the coolest hair ever. It was the coolest haircut.
And this is young pre-Madonna Sean Penn, I think. Oh, yeah. He was a complete kind of boy toy. Yeah, there I am.
It's random what movies you see that leave something on you that you remember forever. It's about two guys who are getting ready to join the military. Yeah. And Sean Penn's whole thing is he's trying to fall in love with McGovern.
Elizabeth McGovern, yes. Who, by the way... Can I tell you my heart breaks for all of those beautiful women that lived in the old Hollywood industry? Yeah.
Where they were... I mean this, but all the beautiful girls that went in all the other movies. They did one movie, then married Pete Tampers. Superstar athlete or something, and then they just don't get work.
Yeah, well, it's because they were single-serving actresses at the time. They got one big thing, and only a couple of them. Like Julia Roberts, she still looks fucking good. She still looks fucking good.
I know that I've aged properly with women, because I find... Like, we're going to Oslo tomorrow. I saw your... I did that this morning.
It's fucking wild. It's insane. I mean, just the history, where you're going. Berlin, Oslo, and you're selling out.
You can't say that. I can't say it. No, you can't. Because I'm going to be Paul McCartney.
I realized later, he can't say, well, I wrote Strawberry Fields as well. If he says it, he's an asshole. But if I go, who wrote that other part? You know, Strawberry Fields?
Punches over the middle eight. You know, he gets stuck. John will get stuck. You know, get a little cold, and then we sort of ride it.
I love doing that, because I feel like I get to visit Paul. Yeah. Because my voice is just a rough ride. I did a reading.
It's just a little bit raw. What was he reading for? A script I wrote, Idiots and Monsters. It's sort of Tropic Thunder meets Three Stooges.
You have me at Tropic Thunder. That's one of my favorite fucking movies ever. Kind of genius. Tom Cruise in that fucking movie?
You know? Tom Cruise is worth every fucking penny. Best line in the movie? When his head blows off, he's like, oh, I think right up.
But then, you know, again, the other mic drop of all time. For what I like when Tarantino does, inexplicability. Lines that are so densely beautiful, and politically correct in this case. He goes, you went, you know, when you get an Oscar, you can't go total retard.
You know that thing? You went full retard. That's why you came home empty-handed. Yeah.
Which is true. In almost every movie, it's corduroy slacks. They're too short. Like, every, and Sean Penn got an Oscar.
I go, no, they're not going to do the two short pants. Can someone, Nathan, the motherfucker's pants. A funny haircut. Don't they have people guarding them or helping them, giving them a trip?
Funny haircut. Pants way too short. Now, give me a fucking Oscar. But they, that movie was awesome.
Did you ever see Rosie O'Donnell? I can talk about that the rest of the podcast. I can talk about that. Rosie O'Donnell?
Did you ever see Rosie O'Donnell in My Sister Rides the Bus? What's it called? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's so bad. It's so bad.
And by the way, I'm a fan of every comic. Like, every comic I'm a fan of. You might know them intimately, but like, I'm always a fan of Rosie. I'm always a fan of Ellen.
Everyone tries to my go. You have another comic. That's where my brain goes. That's the one where you think of like the mayor and the president of showbiz when I came through, it was Leno and Seinfeld.
Yeah. And they both said, you know, anybody's doing this. You gotta respect them. Yeah.
They're not snobs. Like, no, I can't snobs get like five laughs a minute. Yeah. I think he's like, anyway, I'm just going to voice this all day because no one does them anymore.
So, no, by the way, you're amazing at it. I can't do anything. I can't do, I was doing a, I can come in Dublin, I got this suit. And so I put on the suit, and I was like, hello.
I'm out top of the morning. That's not Irish, is it? No, that's more, the easiest way to go is like, okay, with you. You just get a head code.
Okay. Get a head code. Go up here. Go up here.
Put your hand. Go up here. And then you're going to, not yet, but you're going to walk down this dish. So you're up here, not yet, you're bloody crazy.
And then you go down this dish. So you're up here, you're bloody crazy. And then you go down this dish. I mean, that's my whole fucking life.
I mean, you know, I'm so bad at fucking accents. No, there is technique. I'm so, yeah, I'm, I, I, I hear them. And then I try to do them, and it always turns into a Swedish dude.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I mean, I couldn't do Australian for a long time. When I see Kevin Pollack do Shatter, I mean, I'm in awe of people, but I love just throwing my voice. My favorite thing I thought on the way over here was, well, fly on the wall is in the top 10 on a regular basis on Apple ratings.
So long, morbid. Time for an autopsy. Farewell, two. There's one cave.
Maybe you need more bills and more caves. So long, Conan. You need downloads, not more friends. So that's extrapolated from Arnold Schwarzenegger into Hans and Franz.
Then into this guy, who's very fanged. I love that guy. Yeah, I do, so superior. So long, call your daddy.
Farewell, deck shepherd. Sorry, you already had Eleanor talking about how she was molested. We'll go running out of tragedies. But we won't run out of Saturday Night Live.
Guess. Anyway, so. You've done so many, like, you have this move with friends. If you're like at Vegas, just before you drink it, you go like that and lean it over.
You go like this. You know, guys, yeah, later on, we get the jet skis, the whole thing, you know, and then you go like that. That's it. My brother and Vince.
That's the guy also on those camping trips would have deep jerky. And for a thousand times in a row, he would go, jerk. And that made him laugh every time. Wait, where did you grow up?
In hell. Psychotic dad. Co-dependent mom. Make me her surrogate father.
Five kids. Three older brothers beat the shit out of me. Little sister was crazy. It was a hard drive and hard drink in Carvey's.
We are out of our minds. Really? Out of our minds. 60s kids.
Red rag a muffin. Where, where? Well, Montana originally. For real?
I'm from Missoula. Yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up. Hey, don't get shy.
It's just a mountain place. No, I just have to be from Missoula. It's bullshit. But then I grew up in just white, middle class suburbia south of San Francisco.
San Carlos. Yeah. Now it's Silicon Valley. Our track home they bought for $25,000.
Now it's worth $3 million. Missoula, the big game. My parents went to school there. My brother went to school there.
I was just in Montana this summer. I was just in Montana as well. I love Montana. Western Montana in the summer is God's country.
Yeah. And it's just crazy. Did you have that kind of River Runs Through It childhood? Well, we went there every summer.
And we went to Lake Ronan off Flathead Lake. Yeah. And we had the rowboat and the fishing and all that. Yeah, my father really related to River Runs Through It.
That was kind of his era of being a little kid in Montana. Really? Yeah. That was amazing.
Because your dad grew up in Montana. Yeah. And my mom. He was like a man.
Yeah, it was the 60s and he was like that. Yeah, yeah. You're going to cry? So what we would do was, like when I was five, I got up and I took a shit, right?
I don't really wear blue, but I am now. I'm on the right podcast. Man, am I in the right place? So there was no toilet paper.
I think I was probably four. So I just took a hand towel. But then I put it back because I'm like three and a half or four. Yeah.
My dad found it. So it was whipping time. So you had to go to his room and get his belt. Any kid who was getting a whipping, he would snap it really loud.
Yeah. And then you had to grab your ankles. And then he would ask everyone how many. They'd get in a circle.
No. And then as he beat you, he'd say, you're going to cry, you're going to cry. But, you know, it was just a quick whipping, you know. What do you have?
You, you, you, you, you. You realize I'm traumatized. I am. I hear you.
That's 40. Why are you traumatized? You're a new nickname, Silver Spoon. I knew you had a weak, easy childhood by looking at you.
You're too nice. Where's the anger? Where's the anger? Your ankles and everyone sits around?
Yeah. Two. Three. Oh, Jesus Christ.
You're going to, God damn it. You're fucking. So that was, he beat you and yelled at you. One time my sister, she was five and she was fussing over oatmeal.
So he took a hot bowl of steaming oatmeal and just put it on her head. So she's three. I'm five. So I remember that.
So I kind of hit. Oh, yeah. I mean, my brother, Mark, who was 18, I was probably 10. He decided to try beer.
So we had 10 Heineken's at a picnic party and then drove home to Az Hillman, a used breech sedan. It was covered in pink popcorn because he had 10 Heineken's and a bunch of pink popcorn. I don't know how he made it home, but he covered the inside of it. So my dad was like, oh, Jesus Christ, you're drinking, you're drinking.
He's sitting on the bed. So my dad starts unloading on my left and right. My mom's like, you're killing him, you're killing him. And then my brother didn't feel a thing.
My dad broke his wrist on his skull with the first punch. So he had a cast. He had a cast. When people come over, we had to say he bumped it on the table.
Oh, my God. But then he goes, oh, clean up the pink popcorn. So Scott and I had to go in there and just wipe things off for an hour. Holy shit.
Well, I had a Disney face for a long time. Yeah. I kind of smile a lot. So people go, he's a child.
I always say a really, you know, people get on stage and I'm so depressed and barely making it, man. Nobody gets out of their apartment. Nobody drives to the comedy club. Nobody leans on the mic and is pithy.
If they're really anxious or really depressed. A lot of these movies are because it's become a fetish. They have anxiety. I get terrible anxiety.
Yeah. I'm sorry, gang. You only done like five movies in the last 18 months. Nobody does that.
Anyway, don't get me started. No, that's not. But I love your, why did that trigger you? Oh, because, no, because the reality of it.
I'm doing it in a funny way. No, no, no. Yeah. But the idea that like we had dads, my dad would raise his voice and yell.
And my dad would take it here. My dad would also, he would say things that were brutally fucking honest that would hurt you. And my parenting was fucked up because I thought the way to parent in a bad situation was to raise your voice and lose your shit. Really?
Yeah. I thought that because that's how he did it. And it worked for me. Right.
So you felt like, you never felt like he was just kind of torturing you a little bit to get off himself. Right. I felt like, I felt like, like he would lose his shit. Send me to my room as an adult, as like a 16 year old.
Send me to my room, tell me I was a fucking moron. But I'm a very self-correcting person. So I would sit in my room and try to figure out, I was taught, that taught me to figure out why I was wrong. So in return, I'm a really good partner in a relationship because I try to figure out why I fucked up.
On your side of the street, as they call it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so I thought I could do that with my kids. That's not how that works.
Well, there's a little thing called 2023. So it has nothing to do. We came through, my wife and I came through with our kids right when everyone gets a trophy. Oh, you have a 30-year-old, right?
Yeah. So it's mid-90s and we're just kind of in this little school and the kids show up for soccer and they get a big box. It's the first day of practice. Were you rich when you had kids?
No. Oh, when I had kids. Yeah. In relative terms.
Who was a good person? When I grew up. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, in my terms, I was. Absolutely. So your oldest kid is 30? 31 and 29.
So then you had kids, oh, probably like in the 90s. 30, 36 and 38. The 90s? Early 90s.
Early 90s. Yeah. Okay, so Wayne World's out there. Wayne World's out there.
I did a couple of ridiculous movies because I had a rescue complex with my whole family. Like, you know, I was very close to my brothers because we survived the Boer Wars, you know, from daddy. So it made us all like, you know, we check on each other. Am I exaggerating?
I said to my sister last year, I go, am I misremembering or did dad have it in for me? That was the expression. She goes, oh, no, dang, he had it in for you. You hear in the back room, oh, what a fucking baby.
Scream when he's throwing up. So anyway, what was it? He had it in for you. He had it in for me.
So, but those days were very different. So when we came through, I did these two shitty movies. We go, well, my career's over. Let's just move.
What were the two shitty movies? Clean Slate. Okay. Horrible.
The thing is, I've seen everything you've done. I was listening to you on a podcast. You talked about doing a movie with Burt Lancaster and Tough Guy. Yeah, I saw that movie.
That was a thrill. Yeah. There's a story to that. There was Clean Slate.
Yeah. God, look at you. Yeah, I know. That's a long time ago.
That was a few beers and a lot of sun. So you did these two movies, Clean Slate. And it was a classic mistake. It's just that you can't, when you leave SNL, ideally you do something that's pretty close to what you did on SNL.
So Wayne's World was on SNL. So that was fine. But then, you know, they offered me three million to do this. I didn't have that much money at that point in net terms.
So I go, well, I can just go do that. You know, directors seem nice. Were you thinking a way you'd fix it when you got there? Like you read the script and you're like.
I had no idea. Those two movies, both directors got on their knees and begged me in the office. The other one was Red Webble? No, Red Webble was okay.
That was Alan Parker. I saw Red Webble. That was a trip. That's about the disco.
Beginning of Kellogg's. And that was a trip because I spent a lot of time. And here's a little bit of a story that still, when I think about it, spent a lot of time with Anthony Hopkins. So everybody was blasted every night.
Everybody. And it was, you know, John Cusack. It was Broderick. They got.
And the first day I met Bridget Fonda, she goes, oh, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm going to get out of this. Acting and film. Really?
And she was obsessed. There I was. Yeah. Yeah.
I played the crazy Ne'er-to-well son. So that was actually kind of fun. Bridget was obsessed with Henry Fonda and Jimmy Stewart. Well, Henry Fonda was her grandfather.
But she wouldn't let me do Henry Fonda for. She goes, don't do Grandpa. Don't do Grandpa. Oh, my God.
That's her grandfather. Yeah. Oh, shut the fuck up. Because one time we were doing a scene and she turned away and she looked up and I heard her say, help me, Grandpa.
Like she felt like she forgot how to act. So I'd just come in there and I'd try to tell her just to hit the mark and say her lines and there's nothing better than just doing what you're supposed to do. And she hated that. Obsessed with Jimmy Stewart, favorite sexy movie star.
So we watched Just a Wonderful Life and I would do that for her life. And so that's how everyone just partied? I think it was just normal film stuff. When you're a puppet to a director and you have your lines and your two lines a day, you just go to the pub, you go to the place.
But so Anthony Hopkins and I started talking. So we bonded over, he's heard the story. We bonded over our dads and stuff. And also he was an impressionist, like Sammy Davis Jr.
was. Anthony Hopkins, he would do Hannibal Lecter and I would do Garth. And we would do that every day for the crew. Get away from him, big scary man.
Come here, the goth. So can you imagine? Every day we start the homework, we start to see. Before we go.
So then he was kind of shy, but I started talking to him, relating to him. Last day of film, I mean, he very shyly said to me, reminded me of Rob Wins a little way in the shyness. He goes, oh, maybe you want to come into my trailer for lunch, you know? And I'd love to.
And then unbeknownst to me, the PR woman came up and said, you've got entertainment tonight at lunch. I go, well, I'm going to go to Anthony's. Well, they're just here and you've got to do that. And everyone can say that, you know?
So I was like, fuck, I can't do it. So I had to tell him. And then his assistant told me later, she goes, I've been with him 10 years. He never asked anyone into his trailer for lunch.
Oh, fuck. Boom. But I ran into him. He was like, he's just a sweet guy and so brilliant.
But the director melted. I was there when he melted. Really? Well, we're in Mohonk.
It's a haunted hotel. It's taken in New York. Mohonk house. I'm in a room with Alan Parker, the British director, really too cool for school, did some brilliant movies.
And the way to make that movie work, they wanted Anthony Hopkins to be Anthony Hopkins. Straight, super real, because it was about pooing and, you know, straight wine. He came in and goes, I had a dream I was the king of the vegetables. So he had these grotesque buck teeth, which he'd bring them up, that he put in.
He's like, he's a rabbit because it was about vegetables. So he played the whole thing with these giant buck teeth. Yeah, there they are. Yeah.
So he was funny rather than serious. And I think that was a difficult thing. But anyway, he's such a sweet guy. I've followed so much of this story in history.
Oh, yeah. I've listened to podcasts about it. The whole Road to Wellville. Yeah.
Because it's not Nabisco. It's Quaker Oats. And Kellogg. And Kellogg.
And they stole the recipe because the guy who created it didn't want the world to have it. He didn't want to make cereals. He was like, no, no, no, no. I'm about this place.
And his brother worked for him. He didn't respect his brother. And his brother took it. It's so funny.
I saw this movie. But it was my one connection with this story. But what was the other movie that you didn't love? Well, that one was okay.
Clean Slate. Trapped in Paradise. Oh, my God. Trapped in Paradise with fucking the fucking three with you, Nick Cage, and John Lovitz.
John Lovitz, yeah. It's a great fucking movie. That's a great fucking movie. There was so much left.
So I decided to do Mickey Rourke as a character. Because I went to Daly's and I saw, hey, we're in a cartoon. It was written for Pesci, De Niro, and Ray Liotta or something. Are you serious?
Are you serious? And they turned it down. So they got Nicolas Cage and me and Lovitz. So they were kind of playing it straight.
So I just said, we're in a cartoon because I went to Daly's. I did kind of a guy like this. I don't know what you're doing. What are you doing?
He's kind of a dumb guy, right? You know, this kind of thing. So I was just having fun with it. But they left so much on the cutting room floor that I tried to get in the editing room, which I did in Wayne's World 1.
Yeah. And I couldn't. I couldn't save it in the editing. I love that movie.
It's crazy. The movies that theoretically are successful or make money or make everyone money and they're big hits. Sometimes aren't the movies that are your favorite movies growing up. Right.
We're like, like, Trapped in Paradise. I watched that movie. I think I watched it at the movie theater and then watched it again. Like, that's a, that I, it's so funny because I think there's so many movies that are now similar to that, where one killer's stuck in a town.
Right. Where they get snowed in, you know? Well, it had all the elements. Nicolas Cage is one of the funniest people I've ever met.
Of course, Lovitz. And we were wandering around in the snow, like 20 below. And lunch was at 1 a.m. Oh.
Because we're working all night. Lunch, you know. So we're in this little town and we look up and it's a movie that Nicolas Cage and Indie Filmy down there would come in and go, hey, could you open the theater and show it to us? So Nicolas, you know, at lunchtime I'd have a bottle of red wine and then we would watch.
Because after lunch all we'd do was fall down in the snow. Anyway, one line, what are you doing? So, yeah, we watched the movie with him. Yeah, it's trippy stuff.
But basically, they didn't make money. They didn't do box office for all the reasons. And there was a lot of, I would have cut it much, much different. Let it play and all that stuff.
But you got the stuff in on Wayne's World? Wayne's World 1 especially. I got to kind of, Penelope Spears would just say, what are you going to do here? Is that the director?
Yeah. It's the only thing I thought you guys directed it. Like, I figured, when you think of that movie, you just figure it's so you guys. Well, to your point, she didn't really direct me in that sense.
She was keeping things moving. And I would kind of respectfully put my second banana schtick in here and there. But then she would say, I would do my thing. And she'd go, well, can you do it, you know, 10 seconds faster?
That would be the only direction. Oh, wow. Yeah, because we vetted them on SNL. Myers did them in Canada.
He knew what he was doing. We were kind of co-directing the whole thing in that way. As far as performance, we know exactly what we're doing. It's crazy that, tell me if I heard this correctly, but that was just like, I'm really bad at like difficult questions.
Because I don't like conversation. Don't ask me anything, by the way, and say anything to me. No, but I heard that like you and Mike Myers weren't like best friends when you started doing the sketch. And then you got a movie, and all of a sudden you guys were thrust into this partnership where it wasn't like you guys were.
It wasn't like you guys were like Spade and Farley, who were actually best friends. No, I mean, because it was Wayne's world. You know, he brought it in. And so I, you know, it just grew and grew and grew.
And we had no defined thing in terms of doing a movie. I started laughing a lot because Garth didn't have any lines in the sketch. So he was kind of, all Mike said was, you worship Wayne, super supportive. So he's like, all this stuff going on.
And because he had a brown wig, I just went and walked through and grabbed the blonde one and put it on the mirror glasses. I was going to do it like my brother Brad, you know, who talks like this. And then when we got the movie. Wait, do you remember the first sketch you had at Wayne's world?
Yeah, it was just over in the corner in 8H. We had the set, and it was Wayne's world, Wayne's world. I'm not sure who our guest was, but it was like, he's pretty close up. It was all that.
Mike was really good at catchphrases and rituals of things that you do. And so it was all that. And it didn't kill initially, you know. And then it just kept growing and growing and growing.
So it was a killer sketch. We had Madonna, we did a film on it. And then the film came up, and it was like, well, what is this? Is this old school Lorne Michaels?
Did Lorne Michaels produce it? Yeah. And so Lorne Michaels produce it. Is it, I'm assuming, this is, by the way, really inside baseball, but I'm assuming, just because I know the business, that it's one of those things that I heard back in the day, or today, you can't make money on SNL.
When you audition, you have to sign a contract before you audition. Yeah, I did it. Same thing. I didn't make money on it, basically.
And so can you make money on Wayne's world? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah? Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We got a bill for that one, many millions for the second one. And we own, because there were no gross players, this Hollywood stuff, that I think me, Lorne, and Mike, we all had 10% of Wayne's world won. 10%. And since there were no gross players, it was made for $12 million and made over $200 worldwide.
It was made for $12 million. I think it was $13. We did it in like 30 days. Part of the reason it was good, because we didn't think it would be a hit.
We're just flying through it. So we got paid for that one. And that first one came out really nice. It was, and Penelope did let us into the editing room, Mike and I, because the Foxy Lady scene wasn't going to make it, because it was the 21st hour of the thing.
And the initial cut was all over the place. And so let me go in and kind of fix it. You know, the one thing I'm doing fly on the wall, and you're interviewing all these SNL people, and you do basically just love comedians. And I love anyone who went on SNL in a way, just going through the gauntlet like that and hitting the marks.
And even some really big stars, because Dave and I had no, we had no plan, like you and Tom, let's just start talking, you know. And so I found myself wanting to give them, you know, some props, because a lot of times they're like, really? You know, like I said to Tom Hanks, when you visited, I felt like we had another cast member when he would guest host. He goes, oh, that's so nice.
So there are arrogant people in show business, but most people need a hug. And I pat on the back most of the time. Yeah, I agree. Like, hey, it's okay.
You know, just to say, you know, you were kick-ass. That was so fucking funny. And we had Sherry O'Terry on, and she just decimated us. I had wine with Sherry O'Terry one night.
There's a lot of women, even still, and I go back to that old thing about Elizabeth McGovern, but there's a lot of women on SNL that didn't, I feel like generationally they were in the wrong generation of pop. Like Molly Shannon, Sherry O'Terry, Rachel Dratch. Because now I look at the cast of SNL, and it's so women-heavy, and they're so fucking good. And they're all blowing up in such a, because of, I think, progressive, I don't know, but I think they're getting more opportunities than ever.
Well, yeah, that is definitely what's happening, which is good. The other thing that's intrinsic is that when you would star in a movie in the 90s, minimum it would be $20, $30 million, or even a low-budget film, because they do the marketing and everything, and then you'd come out in, like, $1,100 theaters or whatever, and then the box office would come out, okay? So if it was down, you were dinged. If you did two, you'd have to go back in line.
Really? Now, coming off SNL now, you can go do a movie on Peacock Plus or Hulu, whatever. No one gets the numbers. No one knows.
Yeah. And you don't have any sense of having the carpet pulled out from under you. Pete Davidson. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
He did Staten Island. I think it's called Staten Island. And I loved it. A little budget indie.
A little budget indie. I loved it. Was it in theaters? I don't think it made it in theaters.
I think it just went straight to theaters. Yeah, and so then you just never know, so I think it's great. And it's up to fans to decide whether or not they like you, and it's not up to the industry to go, he's a failure. Right, and also, who's going to come out the first weekend and all that kind of thing.
Yeah. So it was different. So now they do get to go out and do a lot of different things. The only thing is there's so many famous, unfamous people, because of just a billion people doing...
There's a billion famous people that don't have talent. That you've never heard of. I voted to go, I'm on a show called, hey, I've had enough of you. I've been on it 11 years.
I had someone say to me the other day, like he was carrying himself on, and I was like, I was like, oh, cool. I don't know the name of this. And I was like, this guy's definitely in something. You can tell about the way.
Yeah, you can get attitude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had like a nice watch on, and he called it out, and he was like, I was going to get that one. And I know how hard the watch is to get.
I was like, okay, this guy goes. And I was like, so what are you doing? He's like, I'm a working actor. It's called Mr.
Wigley, I think. And it's just about noodles in Asia. I get it. I just call it brain candy.
Anything that'll quiet your brain down. Yeah, podcasts are big for me. I listened to you on Bill Maher, and I was such a great fucking interview. Was it?
Yeah. I'm doing an impression of the user. There's certain things that you talked about. I knew that you liked running, and you talked about your carotid artery.
100% blocked lower anterior descending. Lower anterior, that's the one that got John Rader. He actually had a aorta dissection. That's just genetic.
It's just ruptured. That's a motherfucker. Mine was just 100% blocked or 98%. And then you got the stent in the 90s, right?