Chaos change and see all of this chaos as really opportunities. Because when you look at it that way, and I'm not saying it doesn't feel that way for anybody all the time, obviously, but when you look at it that way, it's really quite exciting. There's so many things going on right now. There's so many open doors.
If your mindset is just attuned to seeing them, and then if you have the courage to engage and move forward with it. Welcome back everyone to the Geeks, Geesers and Googleization Show, the home of Googleization Nation, where we talk with HR and business thought leaders about the crazy, never normal shift going on all around us. Our goal is to bring you ways to reimagine tomorrow and explore the ever-changing convergence of people, business and technology. Here's your host, Ira Wolf.
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Our goal is to bring you ways to reimagine tomorrow and explore the ever-changing convergence of business, technology and people. In other words, my goal is to help you make sense of this messy, weird, unfamiliar, fascinating world that we seem to be careening toward. On today's show, you're in for a real treat. My guest is Carly Bremenwits.
We met just a few years ago. She's the author of a brand new book, Dancing with Teos, Three Steps to Break Free from Complexity, Move Toward Your Goals Faster, and Live Your Best Life. For anyone who's been listening to me for the past 25 years and seven years as host of Geeks, Geesers and Googleization, you know my passion for helping others deal with the consequences of linear thinking in a world of exponential growth, thriving in a vooka world, volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous. That was my topic of my TED Talk almost eight years ago.
Make change, work for you. It was the theme of my book, Recruiting in the Age of Googleization, which came out in 2017 and a second edition in 2020. It was a subject of hundreds of keynotes and presentations I made over the past 10 years. Well, as Carly's book title says, we need to dance with chaos.
To show you how much Carly and I are in sync, I pulled this slide out of my archives. It's from my TED Talk. For those watching the episode, it's an image of me, watching, you can see that it's an image of me watching it, dancing with change. And for those who are listening, I'll put it in the show notes, but now you have to get that image out of your head.
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And you'll be hearing a lot more about Avanti and everywhere work in the weeks to come. Meanwhile, you can download the 2024 Everywhere Work Report by going to geekskeasers and Googleization.com, wait for the pop-up, and then click on it and I'll direct you to the site. Or you can go directly to avanti.com as well. Now, it's time to bring on Carly Bramowitz.
From Boston to Paris, Carly's had always has danced to her own rhythmic beat. She's a graduate at Northwestern University. She's not just an innovator. She's a dynamic force of creativity and energy in a world of constant change.
She's driven by depth, purpose, and an insatiable zest for life. She founded CA Consulting Group in 2005. And today, it's an international firm that stands at the forefront of elevating leadership, sales, and communication training for global giants. We're going to talk a lot about that.
Let's have a big Googleization nation welcome for Carly Bramowitz. Thank you, Ira. Great to be here with you. And I'm completely jealous from Amantan, and you're in the Dominican Republic this week.
I am. I appreciate your time out from your vacation. Well deserved, I'm sure. And really, well, we've had great weather here, but not probably as nice as down in the Dominican.
Yeah, it's super tropical here. No surprises there. We're for about a week with my family before heading back to Paris. So yeah, the world traveler, you commute back and forth between, I mean, you've been ahead of your time.
Like I've been remote since 2004. You've been commuting back and, literally almost commuting back and forth between Miami and Paris and worldwide. Well before we were talking about this world of everywhere work and remote work and hybrid work and doing it. So obviously it can work.
And the pandemic just pulled the curtain back on it, like a pandemic pulled the curtain back on it. And here we are. And a lot of people are, as I said, dancing with change. You're talking about dancing with chaos.
So let's talk a little bit about how you got there. You know, where did that theme come from? What does that look like? And we certainly want to delve into your three, the three skills that you believe that we should learn about.
But our paths and our stories and our influences certainly came from many similar places. So let's hear about yours. Yeah, thank you so much, Ira. So I, you know, when I founded CA Consulting Group in 2005, we were really quite focused on leadership and specifically leadership and communication during crisis.
And if you kind of fast forward from 2005 to about 2015 to 2016, and I do talk about this in the book, Dancing with Chaos, all of a sudden, there were so many simultaneous crises happening that, you know, our clients were these, you know, big, ginormous companies started referring to these crises more as transformations. And, you know, this was when I kind of took a step back. And I said, well, all of these things that I had started to study, for example, at Singularity University and afterwards at Abundance 360, starting all that in 2011, I, you know, I anticipated starting to feel the speed of change and everything really get faster and faster. And so I started to see this directly with my own clients in about 2015, 2016.
And we started talking about, you know, VUCA world. And this is a term I know you use it. We use it, a lot of different people use it. It's quite convenient to kind of sum up the, you know, chaos that we have around us.
It's almost a magical word. But you talk about people don't know what VUCA is. But when you talk about, yeah, it's volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity. That's the world we live in.
And it really encapsulates it, for sure. Sorry, I'm going to interrupt. Absolutely. And like you, I'm working with people and really trying to help people and empower people to be able to reach their goals and achieve their ambitions and their dreams.
You know, in starting really 2015, 2016, just watching so many of our clients at all different management levels kind of get sucked in to the chaos, you know. So that's originally where I got the idea, perhaps, during the pandemic. I don't remember exactly when it came to me. But it was in me.
And I just felt this real need to try and observe, you know, what was going on around me, around so many people around me. And really pinpoint, well, what are those fundamental mindsets? What are those fundamental skills? What are the fundamental practices that some people are doing and doing more of?
And it seems to really be helping them to embrace the current, you know, chaos change, you know, and see all of this chaos as really opportunities. Because when you look at it that way, and I'm not saying, you know, doesn't feel that way for anybody all the time, obviously, but when you look at it that way, it's really quite exciting. There's so many things going on right now. There are so many open doors, you know, if your mindset is just attuned to kind of seeing them, and then if you kind of have the courage to engage and move forward with it.
So that's, you know, that's where the idea and the writing of the book came from. And listening to you, you know, you started with talking about you were dealing with crisis management and certainly that was a whole industry. And that was preparing people, especially in larger organizations, when there was a crisis, and it could have been anywhere from a product that they offered, you know, going back 40 years to the J&J and Tylenol, type of thing. But those were like isolated incidents, and most people sort of took a step back and you know, we don't do anything that would be, that would require that.
But everybody had those incidents and then it became a PR management and public relations, how do you manage that story? But it was, it just hit me today is like, well, what I first thought was, when you started to tell that story was, why didn't you call it dancing with crisis? And the reality is, there is almost the crisis, it seems for certain people and certain events and certain companies that the frequency of crises collapsed. Exactly.
And that's where we're moving. It's like, okay, now I get it, now I see the story. And that's really important because there's so many instances that people just think that the pandemic was a one off. It's like, I'm not gonna live another 100 years.
It happens every 100 years. We got through it. Look where we are, we're back. We're still trying to get back to normal.
But the normal we face now, those time frames of normal are on top of one another. And you mentioned this in the book, and you phrased it in a way that I hadn't necessarily heard before because in my book, in the recording of the Age of Globalization, I have a whole chapter on how do you explain exponential change? And it goes back to the old story that if I give you a penny today and you bring me back to the penny tomorrow, and by doing that I give you two pennies. And then on two days and three days you got four pennies and it goes eight.
And it's like, how many pennies do you have at the end of a month? And people, because for a long time, for the first 20 days, it's like, this is a lot of work for a little bit of money. Right. And then all of a sudden it's worth $5 million that you know, it's gonna give away the story line at the end.
But you talk about it in a different way. And you talk about the knowledge doubling. Yeah. And you share that because I think we're looking for stories that people can find relatable.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, there's so much available to us. That's where, you know, this knowledge doubling curve, it's clearly an exponential curve. That's where that comes from.
And again, this goes back to 2016, which was not kind of, you know, a Monday and a year, let's say that was the year that the amount of information, the amount of data in the world doubled that year. And since then, you know, there's doubling of data and there's doubling also of the knowledge curve has not stopped, you know, and there are a whole range of experts, you know, on the data side of things who say that, you know, from now until 2030, 30% of the data in the whole world will actually be created in real time. And you know, you try and wrap your mind around that. It's a little bit conceptual, it's a little bit difficult to grasp just how fast things are going.
And so, you know, I think that exponential curves, which was something I was initiated into with Singularity University, because they use that really a lot to help you understand the scale of change that's happening in the world. And when you really grasp that force, right, of the exponential change, which is something that we all felt, for example, during the pandemic, it's the same thing as your penny example. You know, one day one person far away was sick. And two weeks later, you know, a few people closer were sick.
And then the next day, you couldn't leave your house, you know, at least for us in Paris, we didn't leave our apartments for two and a half months because everybody, you know, was sick. And that's really kind of that force, like taking off in an airplane or a rocket of the exponential curve. And I think what's interesting for us, you know, as people, as human beings, is to look at that and to realize, well, okay, we're not formatted. Our brains, our intellects are not formatted in that intellectual way.
We're very linear. You know, we think about what am I doing tomorrow? What am I doing next week? What am I doing next month?
Oh, right, next year, you know, I can plan another vacation to the Dominican Republic, so on and so forth. We don't have really innately that capacity to understand scale at that change. And I think that really one of the most important starting points for anybody who's looking to achieve more, to feel better, to feel more in sync. And I think that that word in sync is so super important today, is to really start to just understand, well, okay, my brain isn't formatted to understand the scale of change.
But if I understand the scale at which the world is changing, I'm gonna have such an easier time navigating within that change. Last night, I had the opportunity on part of a regional YMCA board. And we're on the task force for future vision. And so we were leading the discussion in the conversation there.
And from the prior session, we sort of get, people got in the weeds. There were things that they can fix. And they go, well, this is our five year plan or this is our 10 year building plan. But they're still thinking linearly because it's like, well, we have five years, but they're not projecting out, what's the world gonna be in five years?
And just a few years ago, five or 10 or 20 years from now, was pretty predictable. It was a trench. And now it's dramatically changing. So just this morning, I went back and I was trying to figure out how to explain this to him better.
Because when I said, look back, think of yourself 20 years from now, look back, what's that world gonna be? And they went so hard to predict the future. Well, so I took it in reverse. And I'm just gonna quickly read a couple things that I pulled up here.
So I looked at, and most people don't realize this. So if we go back to 2004, the iPhone was not invented, we did not have an iPhone yet. So if we just look over those 20 years, actually it came out in 2007. So if we look out over the last 17 years, how our lives have changed?
First of all, in 2004, 90% of homes had landlines. You have phones, we have flip phones, but most people still had landlines. The highest, get this, and again, little techy stuff here, but the highest broadband speed. And I've often said this, had the pandemic occurred in 2012 or 2002, how it would have been so different because we would have not been able to work remotely.
Because the broadband speed just 20 years ago, the maximum was three megabytes per second. It's now one gigabyte per second, which most people have. We had the most popular device was an MP3 player, like the iPad, iPod, it doesn't exist anymore. Exactly.
If they stop production of the iPod, which everybody had, PDAs, we all have these PDAs, so we had multiple devices, DVDs were popular, so with Blockbuster, so we've moved to streaming, smartwatches, VRs, we're talking about VR, we had cameras, we used to go to Kodak to get the film process. Now people don't even know what Kodak is. So there's all these, and this is only within the last 20 years. And we can go back 10 years, we can go back five years and say what were the things, not just Fats, but devices that we relied on for a period of time and now have evolved.
Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, I mean, iPhone example is always, I think such a relevant one, because we feel like we've had this tech, you know, forever and ever and ever, we really haven't, you know, and you can also look at it, and you're kind of speaking to this, you know, the computer power, the computational power that you have today, and you know, here's mine, and the tiny little iPhone, is 32,000 times more powerful than the computer that flew the Apollo to the moon in 1969. Exactly, you can control me. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, and I use these examples, and again, I'm sure we can go on all day. But the examples I use is, I talk, and again, this seems so far out and people don't even envision this, but, and I know for the last five to 10 years, they've been talking, we're on the verge, we're one or two years away from quantum computing, but there was a calculation based on even the supercomputers that exist today. So the supercomputers are 100 million times faster than the fastest laptop that's available. Okay, so again, okay, we don't need to know that, but that's actually what allowed artificial intelligence, that's what allowed these large language models to exist, because now the speed is so quick that it can process other information, otherwise you'd type something in the chat GPT and three or four years from now we'd have a result.
Now it's just instant that it happens. Once we go on quantum computing, it's 178 million times faster than the fastest computer that exists today. And one day that switch is gonna be flipped. And I know the day keeps getting pushed out and there's some challenges, but it's very soon.
And that's definitely gonna happen within the next 20 years. Some people say it's gonna happen within the next 12 months. When that gets flipped, that speed is just happening. You can get a compressor and I love what you're doubling, the knowledge doubling is, because I think what it said, what used to take decades or centuries, it would do only that knowledge, was down to 12 months.
What we accumulate almost, within an annual basis was down, or the amount of knowledge that it's created, is what the world used to create in life time and it's now down to 12 months. And that is gonna keep compressing. So you've come up with some, and there's two paths we wanna go to. We wanna talk about EQ a little bit where our paths cross and where that fits in.
But your book is about three general areas, three skill sets that were developed. Talk about those, so we don't get too far into this. I'm not gonna go into this. I'm not gonna go into this.
I'm not gonna go into this. I'm totally with you on that, Ira. I think the overall premise, before breaking down what are these big skill groups and how do they work, why are they important, so on and so forth, the big premise for me, having worked in leadership development and sales development, and just overall soft skills development for basically the past 30 years of my life, the big thing for me is realizing that it is actually these skill sets that are going to give us, you, me, other people, some continuity and some stability, and a feeling within ourselves of some notion of predictability. And I think you did such a beautiful and pedagogical job of explaining what's gonna happen when the quantum switch is switched.
So really, really good question. And so it's so important to me, seeing how people operate within companies, even within their personal lives, how can we empower, how can we help by giving skills and breaking them down into way that's practiceable, that's applicable, that people can really hang on to and feel like they have something, which is already a big concept, I think, in today's world. And so in dancing with chaos, I break them down into feeling really rooted, like how do you get rooted, how do you get grounded? And I will, I'll come back to that right after.
Second skill set is all about now that you are rooted within yourself internally, because externally it's all movements and it's moving in all kinds of weirdo ways. Once you're grounded and rooted, how do you really accelerate? Because it is important. It's like to do things like a crazy frenetic person, but it is important today to know how to do things when you want to, to know how to do them quickly and to be able to accelerate in this rhythm that we're all kind of feeling and a lot of us are feeling kind of almost as if we're getting this rhythm thrown onto us instead of really engaging in it and enjoying it.
And then once you're engaged and you're accelerating, well, how do you then navigate? How do you navigate in these new rules in this? I think you use the term a lot, never normal, new, normal, so on and so forth. How do you get your footing inside of yourself?
How do you speed up a little bit when you want to? And then how do you make decisions that are gonna help you reach your objectives, that are gonna make you feel good, that are gonna bring other people on board with you, because our connections also with ourself, super important, but our connections with the other people around us. And I think this speaks to how we met, certainly, Ira, are just so super important within all of this tech and all the fancy quantum stuff and all of that. It comes down to how are you relating yourself and how are you relating to other people?
Yeah, absolutely. So let's go back to starting with the roots. Let's start with the roots. Yeah, so I noticed again, these are things that I really, really picked up on from designing our programs and from watching what was going on with CA Consulting Group.
We have about 100 coaches in the world. We run a lot of these programs. And I noticed that people were still looking for their footing and looking for that sense of security externally, the promotion of the job, the title, the diploma, the size of your team, the objective, the project, the deadline, so on and so forth. And since all of those things are so shaken up and they change so often, I thought it was really interesting to start to imagine how can you feel rooted, not by your external accomplishments or external status and different factors, but how can you really find that groundedness inside of yourself?
And so this comes down to things that, again, we know well also from ACU, things like hope, other aspects like having close relationships, when you feel really connected through your purpose, through your vision, when you can connect with other people, that just is a wonderful way to feel a sense of security and drive. How are you focusing? What is your purpose? All of these things are six specific skills that I have put into the first part of feeling grounded.
And not, people can start the book dancing with chaos, wherever they want, really. And I've set up this lovely AI bot, Jeannie, who is there, she can do a million different things. And one of the things that she does really, really well is help people get really clear on an objective, or several objectives, on what are the skills that are going to help you the most to achieve that objective and to achieve it in the way that you want to achieve it? And so I would recommend to anybody listening, if you're curious, if you're interested, go talk with Jeannie, get clear on the skills that you would like to be working on.
And if they're rooting skills or accelerating skills or navigating skills, it doesn't really matter so much, so long as they're important and they make sense to you. Is there a list of specific skills? I mean, that can be identified. So let me hold that question because I just looked at the clock.
We're going to take a really, really quick break. You're listening to Geekscheses and Googleization. We're having a phenomenal conversation with Carly of Rama-Witz, author of the new book, Dancing with Chaos. We're talking about the skills that are required to not just survive, but thrive in a never-normal world, or whatever we want to call it.
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We're speaking with Carly Abramowitz on today's episode, he teaches this in Googleization. When we left, we were talking about Carly's the author of Dancing with Chaos, and we had just talked about being rooted. How do we find our roots? How do we get our foundation?
How do we get our feet solid on the ground? Where are we going? But there were two other general skill sets that required that. So we want to cover that.
But also, dig into weeds a little bit. What are some of those specific skills that people need to develop? Yeah, so when we're talking about rooting skills, what are the things that are really going to help you feel grounded? We're talking about things like hope, which goes back to what is your mental filter?
How are you looking out on the world? Are you looking at it as a world of opportunity? Or are you just kind of seeing all the setbacks, and the complexity, and so on and so forth? So hope is the first skill that we work at in terms of getting grounded, getting rooted.
There's courage, because all of this complexity and chaos, it does really require some courage. And that is certainly an important one to keep working on. There's focus, your purpose certainly, but what are you paying attention to? As I mentioned earlier, there's close relationships.
And in the last two skills that we have with rooting are creativity, because things are moving so quickly. And this is really the chance to let your creativity shine and to really put that forward and to use that as one of your key skills. And then there's practice, which, working and learning and development and leadership development and sales development all these years is certainly a subject that is so dear to my heart, because practice, the expression practice makes perfect, at least practice makes you really comfortable and starts to get you really good at the different skills. And it's important to look at that, almost like training like you're in a gym or like a dancer, which is, of course, the metaphor that I use throughout Dancing With Chaos.
Dancer is still at that bar. The best dancer in the world is still doing bar exercises every day, and that notion of practice and of deliberate practice is so important. So those are the six for getting rooted, getting grounded. So let's move on to the other ones.
Make sure we're able to do the other general areas. Again, I went to the costumes at the time, but I also want to bring in where our paths cross because we talk about skills in a model with the AQ as well. So let's move on to, so we're now, we've got our roots, we've got our foundations, we've developed those six skills or we're working and practicing on the six skills. What's next?
So once you're rooted, and again, this is an internal rooting, it's with yourself, even if you're connecting with other people, which is obviously the idea. And then we move on to how to accelerate in the chaos and how do you kind of start moving more swiftly toward your different objectives? And we do that, there are again, six skills, their adaptability, which is one of our favorite shared subjects, I think, Ira. Absolutely.
About that maybe a little bit later. There's confidence in all aspects of confidence. You're confidence in yourself, you're self-confidence, you're confidence in the relationships that you're building and if you don't have that confidence, I would strongly recommend re-examining why you're still maintaining those relationships. And then you're overall confidence out with the world.
Again, what's your viewpoint? Are you seeing opportunities? Are you seeing hardship and only the setbacks and the adverse kind of effects that any of us can, of course, scale sometimes? There's enthusiasm, which is one of my personal favorites because I think it just lights up this inner fire that we all have inside of us.
And when you're enthusiastic about things and you share that enthusiasm with others, especially if you're in a leadership position, I think it's hugely effective. There's mental flexibility, super, super important. One of my favorite skills as well, of not only just being able to switch between ideas, but being able to understand that several things can be true at the same time, that we do. We live in a world of paradox.
Different viewpoints create different truths, and it's so important to be able to acknowledge that today. There's acceptance, and again, all notions of that, self-acceptance, acceptance of others, and where they are and how they're looking out into the world, acceptance of external situations. And there's competition, which I love because being a student really of dialectic thought, and these are communication techniques that were first observed and formalized from the Greeks. This is something that I studied all the way back when I was at Northwestern, and this is, these were my first subjects in terms of coaching top executives in Europe, and then afterwards in the US.
And certainly, when you look through this kind of dialectic lens, you notice the importance of competition, because competition is what helps to bring out and up the very best ideas. Very strong link, also back to the skill of creativity. So that's... And I love how you did that, and just a couple things.
And again, just showing our kind of how we're synced, and this is probably the first one-on-one conversation we've been in groups before with that. But during the pandemic, when really dug into all this, I talked about current, it was about hope. How do we get hope out of this? How do we get people to be a little bit more optimistic and see a future that was worth living?
And we talked about what were the steps, and I talked about current. The first thing you need to do is not encourage to take the first step. And if you practice that, if you do it over and over again, now you build a confidence, and the more confident you come, the more hopeful you become, which fit into the growth mindset. So although are the order in which you're doing it, there's a theme, and there's a commonality of this, and it certainly makes sense.
Before we go, before we lose track of time, let's go into, OK, now we've got our roots, and now we're more comfortable with it. We're accelerating, we're moving. And then how do we navigate? Yeah, so navigation, same idea, six skills.
There's a capacity to persevere, perseverance. There's prioritization and re-prioritization, and this is one of my favorites, because I think it's something that's so easy to kind of fix and to improve once you realize how important it is. And so this can be something as simple as, you know, you have a jam-packed day, and at 11, it changes, and at one, it changes, and at five, it changes. And you know, how are you kind of very comfortable and mentally flexible with rearranging those priorities?
I think it's really one of the top skill sets that people can focus on today. There's being pragmatic, you know, as opposed to being an idealist, which is super important as well. But you know, today, if you want to navigate and just do it, sometimes just focusing on the essentials, being pragmatic, accepting something that's good enough to sort, which goes back to what you said right before. Ira, it's so important, collaboration.
You know, I think this is a theme that so many of us, you know, really get a sense of the importance of the famous quotation, you know, alone. You can go faster, but together you can go further. I think it's, you know, really never been as true as it is today. And I think that will become even more the case as we go further into the complexities, you know, of tomorrow's world.
And then there's learning and growing. You know, we're always learning, we're always growing. And I think when you really get a sense of that, it opens up so many doors. And it opens up, you know, you talk so much about the growth mindset, learning and growing clearly are linked to that.
But it just also, it kind of takes some of the pressure off. It takes that edge off to get it perfect the first time, or, you know, to be a rock star right away with something. And it just lets you get comfortable that every single day, really every single instance of your life, you are learning, you are growing, you are, you know, moving at all times, your body does it without you realizing, you know, with cellular regeneration, all of our bodies, every single cell, we have a new cell in your bones, your brain, your skin, wherever you want your eyes, you know, we're totally redone every 90 days. So this is something that your body does organically without you even being the slightest bit aware of it.
And I think it's important to realize that we really have this capacity much more intentionally and consciously to be consistently learning and growing. And then I kind of close the book off and this whole section on navigation with the importance of slowing down. Because it's easy to hear and to misinterpret, you know, get rooted, then you can accelerate, then you can navigate. You know, and again, it's not, we all have our frenetic days and moments and so on and so forth.
But the idea is to, you know, start to work toward a sense of inner peace. And that means different things for every single person. But learning how to, you know, take a step back, take a break, you know, if it's going to the beach or if it's going to the gym or if it's just sitting down and having a coffee with a really good friend or for people who meditate, whatever, you know, way works for you is a great way. So slowing down is important.
We were about 42 minutes into this and it always goes incredibly fast. And I'm thinking here, we could probably spend an entire episode on each of your 18 skills. And so you're welcome to come back anytime. But before we kind of start to wrap things up, we were connected through the adaptability quotient to AQAI community.
Where does this, and I know adaptability is one of those 18 skills, but it's much broader than that. You talk about mental flexibility, talk about hope. We talk about grit and resilience and unlearning and you touched on that a little bit, growth mindset. Where does that fit into your world?
I mean, what was that connection that you saw and where does it fit into this? Yeah, I love that question because it was such a strong connection. So I met Ross Thornley, who is, you know, one of the founders, of course, we both are Ross very well. I met Ross Thornley a few years ago during an abundance free 60s summit.
And we just kind of, I mean, it was one of those moments where we just gravitated to each other. I don't know if he saw me first, if I saw him first, but we were both kind of like, listen, we need to talk. And it started like that because at CA Consulting Group, we've worked with adaptability and notions of adaptability and certainly a lot of those adaptability skills subsets for forever, I'd like to say. And here's Ross, with his partner Mike, and they had founded this beautiful company, which is still to beautiful growing company, all around the adaptability quotient.
So it just, it was one of those situations where you think I'm so happy to have met this new partner, we're so aligned in our thinking, with what we do at CA Consulting Group is design programs around an inspiring learning, practicing format, that's how we get soft skills to really stick. And what Ross and Mike have created, is this amazing model and way to analyze well, how is your adaptability quotient doing? So those between our pedagogical method and Ross and Mike's research and analysis and model, it just really fit. And our coaches love these tools and our clients love these tools.
And we do a lot of work with adaptability. And it certainly resonates so much for me. Now in Dancing With Chaos, I talk about, I break it down a little bit differently because that's what made sense for me in terms of getting this message across, but at the end of the day, so many of us are really trying to emphasize the importance of similar skills and of a similar mindset. Yeah, and I think what's important with that, and real quickly, when I was at the Everywhere Work and an opportunity for the first time in person, although we spoke in many times, he's been on the show, but I spoke with the CEO of Avanti.
And Jeff Gavikino, and he talked about the future of Everywhere Work and the direction of Avanti, but they talked about the need for adaptability. And then Sam Rad, her full name, Samantha Radakio, but Sam Rad, who's a futurist, her whole message was very similar to what we were talking about today. And she's talking about the need for adaptability. And then the C, I forget what his exact title is, but he came up and talked about all the product and was going to talk about the need for adaptability.
So when I got the chance to talk to Jeff, I said, you know, you're talking about this, but how do you measure this accept, how do you measure adaptability? How do you measure if people are actually moving quickly enough? And what's going to impact that? But it's not just about our people adaptable, but it's the culture.
Does it create an environment that allows that acceleration? Does it, maybe you have the, maybe people have the foundations, but they don't, you don't allow them to accelerate as they should or navigate as they should, which fits into that. So I encourage everybody, is eight years off the solution, it's just a metric, it's a measure of how adaptive is your culture, how ready is your culture for the pace of change that's coming and how do you prepare the people for that? Which also, Carly, you do, you even break down further with the 18 skills and obviously I've already made that connection of how your model fits in.
And so we'll have fun with that. Before we talk through the end, I do want to, we'll quickly ask you a couple of questions, real quick answers to get to know you a little bit. So we call this the lightning round. This is, is brought up, almost a layup for you.
When you need to just get enthusiastic, as you said, or lay back a little bit. What's your favorite music or band? Who do you go to, what do you turn on? Yeah, I love music.
Let me just say this is the first year in a number of years that I am unfortunately missing Jazz Fest in New Orleans this year, but that's okay. I'm a huge music person. I love, you know, I love Fleetwood Mac. I know it's an old name.
I just got tickets for Stevie. I'm gonna throw out there, but I love them. You just got tickets for Stevie next, Johnson, next month, two months. Love it, love it.
You know, and I love all of those kind of local New Orleans funk bands and the blues bands and just that whole galactic, all that mix. I love hip hop. There really isn't a form of music that I don't love. And it does music makes me feel energized.
It makes me feel enthusiastic. It goes back to my dancing roots. So yeah. If there was one person that you could meet, cast or present, it would have been.
Oh, hard question, Ira. I would have to say, somebody who's always had a special importance in my life, in part because we're born on the same day, is there two of them born on the same day. One is Martin Luther King Jr. And the other is Mollière.
And so, you know, having grown up in a family that really placed such deep importance way before it became fashionable to do so, you know, on diversity and equity and equality, certainly Martin Luther King, who we all, you know, look up to, I think in a way, that always really resonated with me just because we're born also on the same day. And the same thing with Mollière. I studied theater. I love farce.
I love fast moving. Comedy, I live in France for the past 30 years. So those are the two. Carly, we can talk forever, but we literally are out of time.
What's the best way we've been scrolling the bar across the screen but tell people who are listening to this, what's the best way to get in touch with you? How do they get your book? They can get the book on Amazon. If you kind of Google or Amazon Dancing with Chaos, you will wind up on the book's page.
You can get in touch with me or anybody at CA Consulting Group through the link that I think was going to URL that was going by, which is CA Consulting, all attached. And then the small little dash group.com. We'd love to hear from you. Try Jeannie.
There's a link to Jeannie on both the company site and also the book site, which is Dancing with Chaos Book.com. She is just a lot of fun and really, really helpful. And connect with you on LinkedIn as well. Reach out.
We'll put all those links in the show notes. Carly, it's been an absolute pleasure. Pleasure, I appreciate you being here today. And again, hopefully you'll come back because we got so much more to talk about.
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It is fascinating. And you'll be hearing a lot more about that. And until next week, don't let the shift. Hit your plans.
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