David Arquette

Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Mike McGillicuddy, and I'm joined by Mr. Mouse. Once again, an absentia, but a part of the conversation.

We got to talk with David Arquette, who is just a beautifully interesting, tender-hearted person that is impossible not to fall in love with. Of course, he was in Scream, Never Been Kissed, Eight-Legged Freaks, Luffy the Vampire Slayer, and he has a new movie out that will excite everyone, Scream. It's back. 25 years after, we are back, and David Arquette's in the picture.

So please enjoy the endlessly interesting David Arquette. He's an archer. He's an archer. He's an archer.

He's an archer. Hi. Hi, I can hear you. Oh, what a lovely garment you're wearing.

I thank you immediately for greeting us with it. It's got a bunch of different trains, train companies. Oh, so it's historic and playful. Yeah, exactly.

Best of both. And then also, let me add, so this is a very fun, exciting, as earlier said, playful shirt. So it's got, I don't know, two, three hundred logos on it. And then what's great is underneath a horizontal stripe shirt.

Yeah, I like this. Right, because Monica's been telling me it's all about kind of just smashing patterns against each other. Yeah, it's fun. Thank you.

I love dressing fun. First of all, where are you? I'm in Cape Cod. Get out of here.

What are you doing there? I'm doing a film called The Storied Life of A.J. Fickrey. It's based on a book.

Is A.J. Fickrey a real person or a fictitious person? A fictitious person. Oh, bummer.

By Gabriella. Union? Gabrielle Union? Yeah, exactly.

I'm horrible with names. I'm horrible with time. Like, I don't know when anything happened. Okay, I can relate to that.

So where are your markers? Because I have like three. I can slot things between three things. High school graduation, college graduation, punked, and then my children.

That's amazing. Yeah, pretty similar. What are yours? Children for sure.

And then high school and I guess like starting of career. Screen. Yeah, screen's right there. Yeah, I could slot them in.

But then like the multiple screens get very, very cloudy because it's been 25 years. Okay, first of all, that's such a bad bit of information for everyone emotionally. Just because, you know, I was an adult when I saw that. It's not like my parents drove me to see the first screen.

I like, I think I drank afterwards and maybe had sex. Like, full-blown adult when that came out 25 years ago. Oof, Monty, where were you? I was young.

I was just a baby. No, I wasn't. I was, yeah. I saw it in the movie theater too, but I think we had to sneak in.

Because was it R? Yes, absolutely. Oh, the only way David will go. I think we snuck in.

Loved it. Very scared. 13. You were born in 87.

This is 99. When did it come out? 25 years ago. I don't know.

Okay, so that's 96. Yeah. You were nine. Wait, nine?

87 to 96? Maybe I didn't sneak into the movie theater. Oh, this sounds like child abuse. My parents threw me in the movie theater.

Yeah, that was a scary one. Was it the first one or was it the second one? Maybe in the theater I saw the second one. Maybe in the fourth.

But we would have four nights and we would watch all of them. Scream, scared, loved it. I wonder if you have this thing that I have, which is like for years I wanted people to stop bringing up without a paddle. I don't know why, just because like, who knows?

But now I fucking love it. And I have to imagine, if you have a similar ride with Scream where it's like, hell yeah, you did that movie 25 years ago. Yeah, for sure. I like when any kind of film I do resonates with someone and they enjoy the experience or it brings a memory.

Like, that's my favorite. When it's like, we went on our first date to that film and we fell in love and we got married. We're still together. She has stage four cancer.

We had a whole life together. Thank you. It was perfect. It was so dark.

Well, this life was getting really long. I had kids, retired, had grandchildren. Well, I guess I'm wondering though, more specifically, was there anything you ever spent some period of your life running from? Oh, gosh.

Yeah. Lots of stuff. Like professionally, like was there any period where you were running from this movie? For a while, Scream 3, I was kind of like, oh, it wasn't my favorite.

But then I've since watched it. I also read Wes Craven's memoirs and I got like a totally different understanding of like where he was coming from and the films that he made and why he made certain choices. So then in watching it back, it had a totally new meaning for me. I don't know.

I've done many, many things. I have a thing with my daughter. Like, don't Google daddy. Because it says I've done a lot of stuff.

I don't really have too much of a filter. So I lived a lot of my life just like, yeah, think what you think. But then I get a little more conservative as I get older, I guess. I'm wondering if you had a similar disposition as me, which is like, I wasn't really planning to get to 40.

That wasn't a goal. Yeah, no, I cried at my 18th birthday because I'm surprised I made it that long. Because you're getting old. Because we were just a little crazy growing up and we had some bunch of friends dying.

I don't know, just surprised to make it to 18. Now, especially, I just turned 50. So I'm surprised about that for sure. We're roughly the same age.

I watched you for a long, long time. I'm talking about you're 50. I'm 46. Does it make you like question in your mind the people you look at ahead of you?

Absolutely. Especially as a father. I have so much more like understanding of how hard it was to be a parent, how much of a troublemaker I was to my parents. And like, I think back on some early acting experiences.

I did a show called Parenthood, like the first version of a television version of Parenthood. Wait a minute. What? Yeah, there was one before.

Were you Crosby? I mean, whatever the equivalent of the shithead, son? I was. Dave Hitt.

Leonardo DiCaprio was in it too. And this actress named Meredith. And I got the giggles one time and I apologized, Meredith. I feel so bad about how I behaved.

I couldn't stop it. And I had ADD and I'd never been on medication. It was so bad that you feel the need to apologize now to Meredith? Yeah, Meredith Gordon.

Yeah, sorry, Meredith Gordon. Oh, gosh. And just like knowing what I put my parents through. Like, oh, my two young boys are four and seven and they're just crazy.

Boys are crazy. They're not well, right? Like, we come out not well. It's like something's really fucking broken inside.

You know, like, I want something to do a nice cartoon of what the inside of a fucking five-year-old boy's brain looks like. It's just got to be like dinosaurs and sledgehammers and explosions. I know, completely. I actually, you have two boys, so you can't possibly feel the way I do, but I feel so awkward around young boys.

And I think part of the reason is like, I can just see the battle that they're embarking on. And it gives me anxiety. Like, you're going to have to tamp down all of this animal in you. I'm always telling my son, my one son, Charlie, specifically, I'm like, just tap into your heart.

It's your charm. He's going to get you so far. Like, and with any luck, if everything goes perfectly, he'll challenge you to his fight at 17. He's already tall.

He'll be taller than me, bigger than me. But I've learned to wrestle a little so I could probably get him in some kind of luck. Well, and we're going to chat about that extensively. I have a friend from England who was on a flight from England Monday.

Yeah. And I mentioned at dinner that I was interviewing you on Thursday. And he said, oh, my God, I just watched this documentary on the flight. It was like a crazy coincidence.

So he had watched You Cannot Kill David Arquette. And he's like, you must see this before you interview him, which I did. I watched it. Oh, thank you.

Thanks for checking it out. I loved it. First of all, I also, I got news for you. So you were on a TV parenthood before I was.

And I also made this exact movie you made before you in 2006. Monica, it is Brothers Justice, but it is the full. So I made a movie about leaving comedy to pursue martial arts exclusively in films. And I did karate demonstrations on talk shows.

You went way further. It's a lot getting, like, into the combat sports. I mean, geez. Well, I mean, yeah, okay.

Wait, is it sincere? Yeah, it's very, I don't know. I overcare my life, essentially. But yeah, it's sincere.

I wonder, as someone else who's made a mockumentary, I'm like, how sucked in is he at this point? I think all the way. Did you find there were moments of that movie where you were in on it, and then you were not in on it, and then you were in on it? Absolutely.

I mean, I wasn't making a mockumentary. So they sort of set up a lot of the sort of situations I was in. But I was all in as far as what I believed about this sport and what I wanted to do. I mean, they didn't even follow me in a lot of my experience, because I wrestled for a couple of years on the road, and we didn't have cameras all the time.

Even my crazy death match was just by chance that the director was in town. I was like, you might want to come to this one, because it's pretty crazy. Yeah, that would be a prime moment for me to isolate, is when I'm like, I'm questioning everything. So if I can give you a Reader's Digest.

He did this movie, a Ready to Rumble. So he had this wrestling movie. And then so part of the promotion is he went to the, was it WCW? Is that the organization?

Yeah, it was owned by Warner Brothers at the time. So the movie, it was like a tie-in. So they brought him out, and they had him fight. And then he beat the champion, and they gave him the belt for a minute.

And then the wrestling world went crazy. They were very upset by this. And then David, who actually sincerely loves wrestling more than anything, was pretty brokenhearted about it. This notion that he would have disrespected this whole thing.

So then he dedicates himself to really learning the ropes, and training, and fighting, and being in these matches. And he ends up in this match where a guy's breaking a four-foot-long fluorescent bulb over his head, which is like kind of standard fare in these things. In a death match, yeah. In a death match, sorry.

I've already disrespected it myself. Now I'm going to fucking learn to wrestle for five years. So the guy breaks this bulb over his head, which normally goes fine, but it pierces, dude, it was, was it on your carotid artery? I mean, it looked so close.

It hit my neck muscle, so that's what saved me. But it was, it is a gnarly, it's like, it's probably two and a half inches long, and it's just a flap. It's open, and there's a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his neck, and then he wraps, what's crazy is you wrap that towel around yourself early into it, and then I'm like, oh my god, I wonder if he's holding off bleeding in his neck, and then you take that towel off, and it's just, I mean, like a pine of blood comes out. It's like, it's nuts.

I was in over my head. I shouldn't have been through that. I've learned a lot. I didn't know that like death match wrestling was kind of frowned on by certain people.

Some people just love it. That's the hardcore wrestling fans, and I really wanted to appeal to them and honor what they love too. But it was weird. I had this experience where I was like, I don't like violence.

Like, that's not my thing. So I'm like, I hate violence, but I'm in a sport that simulates violence, and now I'm doing like the most extreme version of it. And you're on your way to the hospital in critical condition because of it? Once I knew it didn't get my artery, that it wasn't like pumping blood, I went back in and wanted to finish the match.

Oh, wait, wait, wait. They sent that up there in the ambulance? No, no, there wasn't an ambulance. We got driven.

Jungle Boy, actually, an amazing wrestler, drove me to the hospital. And a pretty good driver out here. Yeah. Under pressure.

There's a dude holding his fucking neck, and the last time I saw it with the cloth off, it was pumping blood out. I mean, like, how do you drive at that point? I don't know. Like, my life did flash before my eyes.

You get a million thoughts about everything you've experienced. At least I did. Was there one primary thing you walked away with? Sort of.

I mean, it's like, this is it. Like, the journey, like, what you're doing is life. So enjoy, like, every moment. Like, accomplish anything you want to achieve.

Like, go after it. Okay, and I want to step, like, five feet backwards because I want to explore something that, like, Stern will explore with you all the time, but I want to do it in a way that I have tremendous respect for you. So I don't want it to be like, I'm going to point out these things. Look what an oddity baby it is.

But you are so fucking eclectic and interesting and bizarre, and you've done so many weird, bizarre things. Or your story about this wild, like, what's nurture? What's nature? What's growing up on a commune?

What's show business? What's, you know, like, this incredibly weird, multifaceted thing that is our cat? I want to know what you think the line is through it. Well, I don't like fakeness.

Not people, necessarily. I don't like when people are fake, but I just don't like the fake world that we live in. So a lot of that is, like, social anxiety. So I used to dress really weird so that people would be like, look how weird he's dressed.

At least I broke through that thing. I used to drink, and I'd call it booze ego juice because it would just, like, pump your ego up. And you'd just be like, ah, you'd be able to, like, blah, you do things. You'd just be fooling yourself.

It works for a long time. Yeah, yeah, it does. But it also, like, will catch up. And then you understand how it does exactly the opposite of what I want to do, is sort of stay real and grounded and try to remain humble or whatever, which is hard, too, because in this business, you need a certain amount of narcissism just to even be involved in it and just have that kind of confidence in front of the camera or just be able to go get jobs or stand up for yourself in a meeting or whatever.

So it was crazy. I grew up on a commune. My family was really into, like, liberal, progressive, hippie kind of stuff and art and no boundaries. So I didn't have a lot of boundaries growing up.

I was a graffiti artist as a kid, so we'd run around the streets and get in all kinds of trouble. The commune was in Virginia? Yeah, it was in Virginia. It was a pretty interesting story.

So my parents kind of escaped the late 60s, the death of sort of hippie stuff, to follow this religion that was based in Hindu, Islam, and Buddhism. And the man who started it was from Indonesia. And he came and he visited, like, these 30 families in Virginia where they'd all move. And he was like, why did you move here?

This sort of philosophy is not about isolating yourself. It's about discovering what your own personal gift is and then going out into the world and making the world a better place. So essentially, you broke up. Wait, how many years into it did that happen?

It was a couple of years at least. I mean, I was really young. I was like two or three when that happened. I was born there, so at least two or three years.

And then did you guys move back to L.A.? We moved to Chicago first because my dad was a big improvisational actor, worked with Paul Sills and something called The Committee and all these sort of... Yeah, and his father was a successful comedian. Yeah, Cliff Archett, who was a character named Charlie Weaver on the original Jack Parr show and the original Tonight Show and the Hollywood Squares.

He was a regular. Yeah, so then we moved to Chicago. Then we moved out to L.A. But in Chicago, I fell in love with Bozo the Clown.

Oh, was Bozo like a local... It was interesting. This guy, Larry Harmon, took Bozo from Capitol Records record and then made him live action in like the late 40s. And then he went and essentially franchised himself.

He cloned himself and he taught all these different markets, like over 100. There were over 200 Bozos at one point. Oh, my God. Wow.

He's the Ray Krocco clown. They worked with Bozo and then... Oh, Ronald McDonald. Yeah, Willard Scott was one of the Bozos and he worked and they sold a bunch of burgers.

He saw how many burgers they sold that they knocked him off and created Ronald McDonald. Oh, my God. What a bizarre history last time we just got out of left field. But so there was all these individual markets.

So everyone thought their Bozo was the Bozo, but then everyone thought their Bozo was the real Bozo. It's like them all Santa Claus. But then WGN in Chicago was sort of the biggest hub. And then they got the Superstation that went out to all these different markets.

So we went to Chicago, went to the East Coast, West Coast, and Bob Bell was the Bozo there. That's the Bozo I knew. I mean, when I was a kid. And he was like, your old pal Bozo.

And he was just like such this bright character. And I was like, oh, I love Bozo. And then I went to Ringling Brothers and I saw the circus and I kind of mushed him both like, this is like this world of clowns and circuses. So that had a huge impact on me.

Okay, hold on, David. I got about 85 follow-up questions. But the most prominent one right now is, I feel like clowns are pretty divisive in that. Like most people like aren't really drawn to them unless I'm...

I mean, a lot of people, let's just say a lot of people are afraid of them. Yeah, well, it's kind of blown up. I mean, in America right now, there's like a scary clown fetish going on. As made popular by it and all these things.

Yeah, especially by it and the Joker and all these things. But scary clowns go way back. Originally, they were more sad clowns. Okay, I got to say one more thing.

I got to interrupt you one more time. I always tell you about my friend Aaron Tyrell. I've talked about him so much. This is him.

You're meeting Aaron Tyrell. You're one of my childhood best friends. It has this like an allure of completely unplugged and an encyclopedic knowledge of all these weird things. And you're like, oh my God, wait, this guy's a genius.

But he literally is not going to participate in this class no matter what. It's a rare fun breed. Okay, so it's like a clown. Yeah, so really 2% of the population has chlorophobia, which is fear of clowns.

Like that's a very small portion. But the focus has been on these scary clowns for this portion of our existence. but clowns are also kind of a reflection of society they're supposed to like reflect the silly parts and the sad parts and whatever parts but right now it's like we're just reflecting the really creepy parts so i think that's kind of what's going on right now so i really want to help with bozo because i purchased the rights to bozo it took me 15 years to get the rights to bozo the clown oh my god wait you so you own the rights to bozo the clown i do i do and what are your what are your plans oh we have lots of plans it's almost overwhelming i bet it is so overwhelming i can't even tell you you got like a marvel ip now i never knew how stressful something like this would be there's like they're trying to like steal the ip in brazil right now we're having to like lawyers like yeah so it's just it's a lot that's kind of like the wrestling quandary you're anti-violence and you love wrestling and then you go by bozo now you're in a lawsuit and then people don't get it like i'm trying to explain to them like so bozos realize that it's not about me bozo it's about all of us bozos it's about the bozo in our hearts so we want everyone to let their clown out and embrace their silly side and really like enjoy life and like laugh at themselves and don't beat themselves up bozo believes that we don't look up and praise people we don't look down on anybody we look everyone right in the eye because we're all equal we're all wonderful but you know you're all special and we want everyone to really like love themselves that's really the new goal of bozo or what he wants to bring to the world we definitely want like diversity in the new bozo universe we want to really expand it am i writing that bozo's in white face there's a lot of the traditional sort of clown is really based like far back so we want to modernize it so there'll be changes for sure and it'll be like interesting to see what people think because even just the news of me by the race of bozo like everyone in chicago kind of freaked out like what's going on is it your plan to ultimately play bozo i hope well we'll see honk honk we'll see i'm studying to be a clown misha ossoff is an amazing circ clown and i've been taking courses with him to learn how to really clown but bozo was more of like a game show host so he's never like a traditional clown so we want to blend these worlds do you think the bozo image has been a little bit infected by the simpsons because i think my idea of bozo is a little bit based on maybe what their joke of bozo was yeah for sure i mean a lot of clowns like that a lot of people giving clowns a bad name but still i mean i can laugh at all that stuff and the good natured stuff but some of the scary stuff is really sort of like because less thing bozo wouldn't want to do is scare anybody only like with a pie maybe yeah but you have to consent to a pie right like a new new rules yeah written consent but then you never know when it's gonna come so that's right so you sign off on it anytime in the next month or two that's good because you still need the surprise yeah and a seltzer bottle that's always a good one but i know that's about as scary as it gets what age did you move back to la so we moved to la when i was about five or six yeah five okay so you were commune to three chicago to five then la what part of la right in hollywood right by paramount studios and back then it was pretty a little wild so you're really a hollywood kid by all yeah we worked at the newsstand on melrose that's on melrose and martell oh really right by the groundlings yeah we worked there for years that was like a big hub for us growing up we grew up at the time where like it's this weird mesh of like punk rock and gangs and like yeah like skateboarding and like this really weird kind of time and then we got into graffiti and breakdancing yes are you friends with ethan suplee because i feel like you guys must know each other yeah i love he's awesome oh he's like my favorite human being on planet earth i think he used to hang out at the newsstand i think all those guys do so yeah i did the parenthood with leo so we became friends and actually leo's dad george introduced us all to art like george would supply the newsstand with these art books and he's like completely opened our mind to all this incredible art no kidding did your dad find work once you guys were back in la yeah so he was a working actor character actor i guess you'd say for years and it would you know it'd be like industrial commercials or get a commercial or a little spot of mork and mindy oh one of the craziest things about living right down the street from paramount studios is that i like eight years old would walk down there wait in line and go see happy days and laverne and shirley all being filmed in a live audience no way i'd walk in alone like thinking that my son now would do that it's just like i couldn't i wouldn't let him cross the street alone but i was waiting and i love fonzie and fonzie came and shook my hand oh baby and then i got to meet him on screen and i said you know i saw you and i was like close to tears yeah sure you shook my hand and it meant so much to me he's like let me shake your hand again you're almost crying right now i swear i know i've always remembered stuff like that in interact or trying to life happens you can be in a little mood sometimes and be like oh but i always try to remember that like whenever i have interactions meet people it's the whole philosophy like you have to treat everyone equal it's like what's going on right now it's the former president was really divisive and just in general every both sides are fighting and i'm not trying to like attack anyone it's like we all have to kind of understand everyone to get to this place where we all have to go or we can just load all up and it doesn't matter anyway because that is a possibility and it's kind of like happening it's an option always always waiting for us on the table there that option yeah but there's a really cool physics theory that if 10 of a school of fish swerve the other 90 follow and it's the same with birds so it's almost like he took 10 of a group of people and had them swerve so it's like this side where being just nasty to each other has gotten more acceptable let us not recognize our own role which is i'd love to give that guy all the credit but we were already using all these devices that were already sliding us further and further apart we were so in these echo chambers so when he came up we played our role we were outraged like a fucking pole pot was coming to town so then we fed that media circus that gave him the equivalent of three billion dollars in campaign but it's like everyone yeah we're all i don't mean to like say it was all him or anything but the idea is that if we could like have a kindness swerve too i agree so i always wonder just because i'm from detroit and i drank the kool-aid as fast as you could so all i wanted was a fast car and i wanted to be a race car driver like cars cars cars is all i thought about so when you grow up in hollywood and you're going to see shows at paramount i guess it does answer my question a little bit like this is a company town and of course you could want to do that because that's what this town's about right yeah my sister rosanna really made a name for this new generation she worked with betty davis like starting off and it's not rosanna it's rosanna i know the song is rosanna i know it's just a thing oh my god i gotta call the people from toto i know i gotta call david page so um she really started our new generation my sister patricia that got into it and then i was a graffiti writer i was running around getting into trouble and i was like forget that i didn't think i had any talent i grew up not being able to read very well so i always thought i was really dumb and so i was like i can't do that but then they were doing a play at my school and they were like you get to ride a motorcycle through the auditorium i was like what and then i met this teacher named ben de baldo my high school drama teacher and he's really changed the course of my life he enrolled me in like a drama teachers association thing where i did a monologue and you got a number so nobody knew who i was and who my family was and i came in second place and i was like oh i have some kind of talent yeah yeah yeah it'd be so weird to have their siblings be so successful you're the baby right you're number four but there were five of us my brother richmond's got the best credit of any art cat he's the one who delivers the box in seven get the fuck out of here oh my god i don't know i don't know oh that is the best credit he's awesome but he doesn't like uh any kind of spotlight so he sort of flies under the radar but yeah there were five of us i'm the youngest so did they go like oh yeah now i'm just gonna be a poser and do what my sisters do if i were you i would have this fear of like oh my god i think i'm a poser like also i'm into this well i didn't sing for the first play i did and all my friends like snuck into the auditorium and i'm like up there i'm the type of guy that'll never settle down they're like ah they made fun of me but um but i ended up like learning about acting and we'd always done like improv growing up and always sort of like did fun games and stuff like that where are you partying that age first of all do you know i'm sober yeah yeah yeah okay i just want to know that i'm talking about a fellow who's on zero judgment no back then we were 40s in the parking lot and like yeah other stuff but after when i started doing the plays i got like kind of focused me a lot more at that time yeah i wasn't hanging out with my buddies after school as much or doing graffiti as much and i was focused more on acting and stuff like that yeah then i went bananas so since your parents were kind of free spirits did you ever get in trouble for quote being bad or causing like do they care yeah i mean my mom let me spray paint all the inside of my room so that kept us off of the streets a little bit our crew was called kids gone bad we were kgb oh i love it kgb yeah kgb la graffiti crew we've got a couple artists gaji fujita and jesse simon that are like proper fine artists and museums and stuff oh wow but yeah we all were totally into it yeah it was a wild time to grow up but yeah i mean we got busted for weed my mom they would get pissed yeah stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare so let me tell you the first time i drank i was in my kitchen i wasn't ever gonna drink my dad was an alcoholic he was recovering then at some point i'm like i am gonna try this and i drank by myself in my kitchen i had a few beers the second it settled in i was like oh my god this is exactly how i want to feel like this is what my fantasy of being the most popular the handsomest all that stuff like that's what this feels like i just put on this coat where i'm the coolest dude in the world do you remember your first feelings of it yeah well my dad was alcoholic dude smoke pilot and so that was like always something for us too but uh there's this irish family there was like 10 kids like eight of them were boys it was just this like mad world like yeah we've gotten into all kinds of trouble crazy trouble and they had a huge st patrick's day party every year so one of the first times we drank we were walking around and uh picking up all the half drink like irish coffee so we're all hopped up on like caffeine and whiskey trying to kiss her also it's just crazy yeah we had a lot of fun there's this kid demetrius who lived next door who like smoked us all out when we were really young like way too young i'd stolen this marshmallow whip from 7-eleven because that's what you do and then i went and we're smoking this weed and i have this marshmallow and i was more interested in the marshmallow than the weed going around the guy's like oh i can't believe i'm smoking out with a bunch of eight-year-olds or something like that yeah yeah it was way way back and then we quit at some point we actually quit smoking pot for a while i've been smoking for a decade by the time you were a senior i know i know it's bad we grew up really fast in la like yeah crazy stuff it all seems like you're watching a movie or for me it was like i'm just watching a movie of this it's awesome none of these downsides are gonna hit us no one's gonna get dui no one's gonna die no one's gonna od and then all that stuff just starts slowly happening you kind of can write it off for a while and then you're like oh wait i'm no different yeah two of the guys on the outsiders rodney harvey and harold pruitt they both died of heroin overdose so yeah we went in sort of like we got it it got crazy like yeah and then it was years later before i started figuring it out so you haven't drank in almost 10 years no no no oh okay okay i was gonna say that's crazy no i've had my slips and all that stuff okay i don't drink yeah yeah it's fucking brutal right it's just fucking brutal it's really brutal actually i don't know i got to a place now where i'm like i had the most the saddest like i was just so like disappointed in myself that uh yeah i cannot drink i gotta imagine there's two things that make it hard for you because i've witnessed this in someone else i've talked about it before but someone pissed me off on a movie they were terrible they were annihilated every day it was almost a fistfight got separated this person had a new mexico police officer with them at all time while they were on set that's how bad it got at one point he was making the officer chase him around the store and he was saying chase me officer chase me so i was watching him run through the store and i was so mad at him and all of a sudden i started laughing so hard i couldn't help it and he just he was so powerful this actor so funny so likable so endearing that he kind of won me back which i would have thought would have been impossible and in that moment i realized like oh man being likable and endearing and charismatic it can make it harder because generally people when their addiction takes over they just people start leading their life because they're insufferable but like you have sweetness and a kindness and a charisma and open-heartedness that i would imagine you get a lot more second chances than your average bear i've gotten a lot of second chances i don't know a lot of it's like trying my best i think if you're genuine about your heart really learn from your mistakes you don't want to keep repeating them that's sort of where i got i just really don't want to make the same mistakes again like exhausted with the repetition of it all yeah and just like well it's what led me to the death match i was after that i was like why am i like literally trying to kill myself like putting myself in positions where i'm just beating the hell out of myself and then that's like when you can figure that out and heal and figure out how it relates to your childhood and parents relationship whatever it is that's those wounds when you can then uncover those and like i was once like in the therapy session i was like my mom my dad or their marriage and i was like they're both dead i mean i love you but i don't need your pain anymore i don't need the pain from your marriage anymore it doesn't serve me anymore so once i started figuring out like there's nothing really that can numb it like you can try to numb it you can do all that to me it's like getting into the flow of life like it is that positive like positivity began positivity yeah i mean and being kind to yourself and like not beating yourself up and then you appreciate clarity and you appreciate honesty and being real and dealing with these things that come up and then when you get older it helps too because you could start feeling your blood boil and it's like why am i feeling this way what's that about that's a great point it's almost like as you get older the ramp up slows down just enough for you observe it or it's like when you're younger you're just there you're at like the 10 and you miss the whole ramp up yeah have you noticed that the older you get the faster time gets oh yeah yeah it's brutal i know it's crazy when you're younger like summers lasted forever a day would take forever time was oppressive when you were younger it was like i'm not 16 yet i'm not this or it's not summer yet or it's not christmas yet like now it's just like i literally have to say out loud to everyone my family like there's only 22 days left of christmas so like every day we're acknowledged because it'll just blow past me i'll wake up in february and be like what happened you gotta get an advent calendar adventize every day adventize every day i just relate a lot to you i hate my own guts in a way i can't imagine people would yeah could guess because why would i i'm not this mean to other people i know where are worse enemies i mean that's it's brutal like what happens in my head like even if i just do some meaningless faux pas where i introduce myself to someone twice or something like that i'll be like oh just yeah relentless what cardinal sin did you commit or why are you so mean to yourself do you have a theory on it i mean i had dyslexia so i beat myself forever like i'm just so stupid like you know just so dumb and just certain things like beat myself up over things that have happened in my life or choices are made or whatever it is but once you can sort of let those go or like forgive yourself or i don't know it's an ongoing thing too and there's like roller coasters and some days it's just like boom i'm just down and yeah what's even that about how much do you think it's genetic and how much of it's like nurture by the way i just want to add you just reminded me one of my favorite things i heard in a meeting which is this older guy i love he's like you know my dad was my explanation for everything that was fucked up in my life and then he died and all of a sudden i was like what now now i just now i don't even have this person i'm here anymore that i'm blaming everything on it's so profound that healing that forgiveness is what is really important because that's what then heals you like you forgive people to heal yourself and like even when people do you wrong it's almost like you can start getting to a place where you feel bad that they're making those choices yeah don't you think david like that everyone lives with their own mistakes yeah like i don't live with your mistake it angers me for 10 minutes that day but i don't at night when i'm going through my day it's not in there like that's the freedom of it i know i think like well there's this saying hurt people hurt people which is like a pretty powerful thing it's everything that's going on it's like there's a lot of like pain out there and a lot of it's like people who are mean to people when they're younger their parents were mean all this kind of stuff and we've always been into this society of sort of punishment yeah we've learned that that's not that doesn't help like even at the beginning of the pandemic i was like ah like my kids are driving me crazy would you just do your homework and like raising my voice i can see that my younger son was getting like scared yeah like by raising my voice so that you have to really like confront that in you and like figure out how not to do that and hope that i didn't traumatize them but that's life they're gonna have to figure that out and then how like your relationship with whoever you're sort of attracted to your relationship dynamics like that's a whole other thing to figure out oh you just made me think of something did you get a lot of esteem from females liking you yeah i mean i would always kind of use charm but i was like a cat i mean i was just you know i was younger just running around a lot and i don't know i made a lot of mistakes well i don't want you to feel bad because i recognized myself recently like here's here's what happened to me so this woman was giving me a massage i know very well and she's had this insane trauma as a kid and i said to her it's shocking you're not an addict and she said you know i think had i not been great at sports i would have become one like that was the only thing i could build everything else around is that i was good in sports and then it made me wonder like what did i build because i too dislikes like i'm a dumbass i'm all these things you know and i was like oh i know it started in like sixth grade like i could talk to older girls and that worked and that gave me so much esteem and i pretty much leaned on that my whole life it's another one of those things that you learn what you don't want to do again hurt people yeah yeah have you ever done one of those ACE tests i'm not sure it's adverse childhood experiences and there's a list of i want to say like 13 questions did you grow up with addiction in the family you grow up food insecurity you grow up physical abuse you grow up with oh yeah yeah i almost pegged that fucker this is a weird thing to brag about but i'm telling on it i would really love to know like i have to imagine you're at plus six for sure i'm definitely plus six i got all those that you've named off so yeah so like i want to hug you in a way i can't hug myself which is i want to say like david when you're kicking your own ass dude most people with a six or above are in a penitentiary they're in a gutter they're in a mental institution here's another way i would look at it we've interviewed a few hip-hop artists that came from the shit shit like yeah the shit shit in a way that like people don't fucking understand or we've got a couple basketball players on too it's like you don't understand what some people's existence on in this country is and so when they get famous and they say one thing that's only a six on the progressive scale instead of a 10 i want to scream like yeah motherfucker but you started at an eight on the progressive scale and now you're a 10 congratulations this person started as a zero and they're a six so fucking get real i want you to look at yourself with that kindness which is david thank you it's a miracle you show up as a parent it's a miracle you're fucking financially solvent it's a miracle you work it's a miracle you're sober today it's a miracle you're present in this conversation yeah it's a fucking miracle dude everybody yeah yeah i think we all we all go through our shit everyone has different experiences but like you're saying the whole cancel culture like attack and punish and get rid of them like all of that shit is too much like it's where are we gonna like start recalibrating we're like hearing each other and figuring it out so that we can heal some of this generational trauma personal trauma all the like stuff but that's easy to say but thank you for saying that i feel the same way about you i just want everyone to sort of figure out their greatness and love themselves and not beat themselves up and be more sort of patient with that kind of stuff that goes on i have to put a bow on you can't kill david or cat why did you like the sport well i loved it because it really is this larger than life like spectacle but did come from circus as well so i think it's all tied into that i love like people that are tough and i loved rowdy roddy piper how mean he was and i really hated him like i love that it's good against bad wrestling is supposed to show you that this is the bad guy boo this is the good guy yay and you're supposed to get that it's like this moral lesson you play these games within telling the stories in a wrestling match yeah they have a three-act structure even if it's split up into 10 rings or rounds exactly yeah yeah there's no 10 rounds like there's one round i mean there's whoever's pinned typically but i just loved it because it's larger than life and it's like i saw the guys holding up the belt and i was always like oh i'd love to be that so then when i had the chance i was like yeah and then everyone's like boom and i didn't really understand it because i knew at that point like well this is it but for a lot of people it's super real and it is real once you get in there you'll be surprised at how real it becomes i loved it i loved it i loved hulk hogan i loved wrestlemania three maybe in detroit or over his head like that's a seminal moment in my life but i love those dudes because they were enormous yeah because it's wish fulfillment it's like i'm this kid i see hulk hogan i think oh i wish i could handle all my problems by picking something over my head and chucking them like that's the fantasy that's unfolding for a boy i think and your sincerity or harder skills never you're not enormous like that's why i don't want you in wrestling i need a fucking i need a big glue that i think is living in a fantasy world where you can throw everyone around who disagrees with them for sure there is like the size of wrestlers has sort of reduced i mean there's a lot of big wrestlers still but there's more sort of acrobatic elements to it that are sort of more new but again i also like huge wrestlers i mean we love andre the most right is he the best i love that i assume you watched that documentary on him yeah i loved it my favorite moment was when being gene goes mike and i watched this together we laughed for 10 minutes in rwanda 10 times me and gene goes when andre would take a fart it would clear up who's just take a fart that's big the fart was that you refer to it like taking a dump oh my gosh took a fart there's this whole thing sometimes they'll check your oil yeah oh they'll put their finger in your butt yeah and it's seldomly done but horrible okay the new screen i haven't seen it because it doesn't come out until january 14th but i watched the trailer and let me just say first of all i'm delighted to see that they take it very seriously yeah that would be my ultimate nightmare if i were you at some point this franchise would stop taking itself seriously and that hasn't happened at all it's like i can see this being a really appealing movie for an entirely different generation not entirely the directors did an incredible job it's super scary it's really funny and it has all of this time that's passed with all these films they can reference and all the social media that's now in element and this incredible new cast and it's diverse in a way that it's never been before and it was a really incredible experience to watch these tremendous actors like all these young actors and i call them young because they were the age that we were when we started i hope i live long enough to see you receive a call from inside the nursing home there's that fun like movie star homes where all the like older actors are i'm a certified bob ross instructor listen this is the most important thing on my list i taught all the younger actors i did like a bob ross painting course for a moment yes yeah i'm so excited when i read this and i thought because we love bob ross like crazy and i have this idea for show where chris and i would just draw one real time try to keep up they'd be terrible like i feel like the joke would be how bad they'd be what would you instruct us i would love to that would be my honor next time i'm in oh my gosh it really takes like an hour and a half two hours depending on like how much help you want or whatever yeah how long did it take to become certified three weeks in new smear beach florida anyone can do it you just gotta take this course how do you tell your family like i need three weeks oh what role did you get are they doing another screen no no no i'm going to bob ross academy in florida yeah i want to be like the fuck you are i know i know it's a beautiful place and uh what's it like wait wait wait wait you paint one painting for two weeks one painting a day and then the last week you paint two paintings a day wow who are your classmates david do they know you like what if you monica went to the seminar and like you turned and nick cage was in there brushing like what did anyone realize i wouldn't be surprised a couple people noticed when you're there it's all about bob it's like oh bob you're surrounded by his paintings which is amazing feeling doug the incredible instructor was there but toward the end like it takes a long time like it's a whole day of painting these all the same kind of landscapes but you do a few different ones you do a waterfall you do a mountain so then we got to two i would like kind of try to do them fast and like you're kind of on your own so you could do it i'd be like just huffing and puffing like at the pace of it i just like the conditioning you didn't have a conditioning by wait three i was like one of the ladies turns and she goes you know we can hear you don't you a how many people were also taking this class b where did you stay and see what were they like there's about 15 people 20 people taking the class yeah i stayed at a little like a airbnb there no like a little airbnb by the water oh what part of florida new smear to beach it's like by daytona there's like this pirate little town there that was pretty fun i love the fire down that's one place i was like oh i wish i drank because i'd love to be like a pirate going through there i have those thoughts too they're generally like a disneyland where like i'm furious i'm not mushrooms on the you know it's a small world after all or pirates yeah always in pirates i'm like why aren't i an acid or something oh man i was on saint mark street recently and i went into search and destroy this punk rock vintage clothing place and i swear to god i gotta contact my trip contact trip i swear i was like totally why i'm tripping i don't know what happened on saint mark street there are so many people that must be tripping that it just like got in my brain i was like it was weird maybe you were low on electrolytes i tend to blame most ailments on that oh that's good to know if monica ever gets diagnosed with cancer she's gonna look at the oncologist and say i knew i didn't have enough electrolytes it's gotta be like so i just double my electrolytes get to knock this out do you know what else is good cacao butter in coffee amazing cacao butter in coffee just gives you like this energy pump oh i'm gonna do that immediately oh my god are you sponsored by any cacao butter companies and if not can we make that happen can we appeal to no but lemon and himalayan salt in the morning with one water oh yeah that's another big first thing to drink that's a good thing but i don't do it enough can i ask you one last question about scream and it's mostly just nev campbell oh the best you weren't young enough i'm trying to think oh yeah did you watch party five yeah i mean not like religiously but oh you're too busy out there tagging and fucking you know rough and tough customers i guess no one of the original i just have to say this story because it's so crazy but when we did our first photo shoot for the outsiders the first job i got wait wait wait wait wait wait you're in outsiders the tv show so it was like a tv show i was starting to feel insane because that's one of my favorite movies of all time like how could i be making this mistake i played two bit but we did this photo shoot and i was such like a like just a little graffiti scrapper that they had all these cds and i took like a bunch of them i put them in my pants of course yeah take what you can get run like out that was my mentality but i went to like robert rustler one of the guys i was like look and he was like put those back and he took them out he's like you're a working actor now you don't have to steal anymore like what are you doing yeah yeah but that's literally where i was well then first class lights must have fucked you up early in your career then because like me i'm a dirt road kid and it's like free i gotta drink as much of this as i can get because it's free yeah totally big trigger big trigger but yes nev is amazing she's such an incredible actress just such a wonderful person we've all grown up a lot of kids now and it's like wow like it's so interesting to watch but isn't it lovely like i just had a coffee with my ex-tv sister lauren graham and we're just chatting and the idea of being able to do a parenthood like one season every five years that's like heaven like i think we would all love to do that one of the greatest ideas i had when i was married to courtney and friends was ending i said to them you guys it's always weird when people go away and then they come back years later you should do friends home for the holidays every thanksgiving you should come back and do it show like how great i know they never did it these doubleheads big missed opportunity big missed that could be its own episode like i am curious i feel like i'm getting a i could be misdiagnosing but i feel like we have similar self-esteem things and what was it like in the period when they were just at the height of that and you were constantly around that would have just been i would have felt less than for 10 years yeah there was definitely that i think we also share in common too we were married to women that people were like why did they pick i think we probably shared that in common where people like why did christian pick that dude right right totally totally i did that all the time it's a unique road to be on i also have to say i feel so lucky to have my new wife to have found her to have these two boys it's just kind of like uh again i suffer from the same thing like uh but feel very fortunate and like you don't deserve it i don't know i mean i battle with that i guess but uh that's the ongoing like no get into the flow of it like that's all about getting into this flow of like when you start being positive start doing positive stuff happens like there's always roadblocks i was just trying to do a circus in new york and fell apart but you just bounce back and you refocus and then you put your energy in that and you take it as a sign that it wasn't meant to be i hope you recognize the beauty and power of your boys having a dad who beyond all other things kept trying yeah for sure yeah dude i can't tell you we had a guest one time and he admitted to me had read my like a big book that was on my counter and when you open it up it has all these dates of when i try to get over relapse relapse relapse relapse and he said at the end of that he said i just read this thing and i almost cried because i thought my friend will never stop quitting we'll never stop trying and as the first time i love that about myself and i hope you love that about yourself and i hope you recognize how lucky your fucking boys are to have you as someone to model after yeah thanks man you too sincerely i appreciate it yeah it's important that we heal ourselves that we help each other heal i think that's like what this is all about but it's over it's over when i lost my parents i just got to a point of such gratitude helped me really get through the pain of mourning them was like how grateful i was that they were my parents and i do like i feel for people that haven't had parents that were even in their lives like how hard that must be that they can find that love inside themselves well one thing is obvious they loved you so much that you were not afraid at all to be yourself yeah that's for sure you're one of the most yourself people i've ever met thank you better beat myself up about being that self sometimes sure sure sure it's our hobby um david i adore you you're one of like a handful of guys i've met all in sobriety really where i can recognize that life's a little heavier for these couple people i know and i just it makes me love them and i'm sure everyone in your life feels that way about you thank you so much i love you too you're welcome i love you both i love everyone else keep us updated on bozo yes i want to hear more yeah maybe like do you think we could interview bozo absolutely oh my god i would love that also bob ross yeah we need a bob ross and we need a bozo all things be we're going forward with absolutely we're not gonna wrestle we're done wrestling that's over and so either of us are 265 of shredded beef you should get back into it there's some amazing wrestlers right now i'm too old i went to the stable center it's too loud for me i was like it's too loud in here for me i'm too old and sensitive you can get earplugs even visually it was too loud for me yeah it's a lot it's all right david it's great talking to you man good luck on screen everyone should check it out on january 14th i'm excited nice to meet you monica thank you so much all right take care david i appreciate it guys thank you stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare and now my favorite part of the show the fact check with my soulmate monica padman hi hi how are you i'm a little sleepy you didn't get much sleep last night i didn't get much sleep last night i woke up from 305 30 but i was lucky because carly took the kids to school so i got to go to late 30 after the 5 30 so i do think i coupled together eight ish it's not the same no but you know what i said king to succumb to two usually just battle it right so last night i was like fucking i'm gonna take more tries to know in one more early p.m and then i'm gonna not fight it i'm gonna watch cheer until i get drowsy well also i was writing down with this nightmare was about and such there's one hour of that but then i watched cheer yeah until i got drowsy yeah oh boy the whole fame aspect is just yeah season two of cheer is a different energy and tone than the first and it kind of opens with they're all famous because of the first season and it's really interesting i have a lot of empathy for them yeah these are people from small towns generally and they're mostly i would say and to receive that kind of attention is like it's so fulfilling for a minute they're young yeah yeah it feels really wonderful yeah but then you can kind of just see yourself unplugging from the other things that got you this yeah it's very tricky yeah i can't imagine any human is just built to navigate that in a healthy manner not that i'm judgmental than how anyone did but just like reading tweets to other people about yourself and the cameo like they were doing so many cameos yeah yeah yeah yeah talking about the price of the cameos it's all very i was like happy for them they're generating some some income off of this of course and then i'm like and also that's a bizarre job yeah yeah please get a cameo from erin weekly boy they're not you're not gonna find a better cameo and they're underpriced they're very underpriced i want him to raise the price so get in now before i convince him to raise the price because it's just too affordable at this moment i bought one from him oh you have he first started oh my god what did you have him say i just nothing really oh that's that's what you want kind of yeah you want his laugh in there yeah proprietary laugh he should definitely do a ringtone is that still a thing you can do can you sell ringtones oh me too can i tell you really quick the nightmare and then i called erin oh so i had a nightmare that i was in the backseat of a car and the person was doing some stunt driving and that was kind of finally seemed skilled but then we were somehow because it was a dream on a wooden roller coaster and i knew the driver didn't understand that we only had wheels on top of the tracks and we didn't have the pulley underneath that roller coaster tab oh so i'm kind of trying to scream this to him as he's driving faster and faster on this thing i wake up and then i'm laying there laying there and i just started thinking like how many car accidents i've been in um as a passenger right and most of my stories are that i somehow behaved in a way that was admirable or i was invincible because i didn't come out of that car and i wasn't injured yeah they were those stories have always been feathers in my cap yeah and i just last night for the first time like those are pretty horrifically traumatic events that happen with a lot of regularly so much fear yeah and then i thought if we interviewed every nascar driver do you think every one of them has a story like that like is that how everyone gets into that i doubt it i bet maybe some but i was listening to this thing the other day this person was talking about abandonment and she was saying like i realized i was so afraid of being abandoned all the time that i'd abandoned myself like i didn't know me anymore because i was so just just doing everything you can to not get left by that person that you've lost yourself you left yourself and you've abandoned parts of yourself that you hold dear in exchange for this other person's yeah love i guess i was like that's really interesting you know people are complicated yeah girl there's a lot going on it's a ding ding thing because david has a lot lot lot of trauma yeah and and search it out replicate it in a way that maybe he thought he could control yeah as it did i yeah i saw the most amazing illusion there's an illusion online that is so incredible that my friend guys sent me and it is a rotating piece of cardboard that's been painted in a way that looks like a three-dimensional window pane but it doesn't rotate right it goes it goes like 90 degrees this way then comes back 90 degrees this way and then the man it zooms out he says this is going in a perfect circle but your eye cannot see it because you have permanently imprinted what a window looks like so what we need to do is try to add up something outside perspective if we attach this paper clip and we keep our eye on the paper clip what happens instead of you now the illusion is broken now the paper clip does something that's impossible to happen it comes off of the thing and it rotates in a circle but the other thing still keeps going back and forth and then he says well maybe that's because it was attached to the outside let's put a ruler right through the middle of this thing and that'll definitely show us it's spinning he shows that now the fucking ruler just goes in a circle and moves through the cardboard in and out of the cardboard in the cardboard and the cardboard still looks like it's going back and forth back and forth and he said no one will ever see this correctly unless their culture is different so you can show this same video to people from africa who do not have that print of what a window is and they will see it exactly as it is but we will never see it exactly and so when i hear certain people i admire writing books about everyone needs to get tougher in this and that and drop your bag part of me is like oh no there are things you will never unsee like we can't unravel the window illusion it can't be done you want it's explained to you you see from all sides we're trying to put some things on it that ain't gonna happen for us on the west that's always gonna be that illusion and i find that to be so fascinating that's kind of depressing yeah yeah but i think instead of taking an approach where like that happened for you and not to you and don't let that do this it's like no no no we could develop some strategies that take you away from that yeah but the notion of the other thing i think is kind of not helpful yeah some things can be talked out right right but it's good to recognize and know zero awareness of i was not in on the joke until last night about motor support that i'm doing bondage i'm trying to do a safe version of bondage and control this thing that has scared me so many times and then ironically scaring other people in the process quite often yeah and with all these things like it's a double-edged sword like i also love that i love driving and i've done it professionally for fun like there's it's all nebulous it's like it's good it's bad it's good it's bad yeah okay david okay david so you know who can cure all this bozo bozo the clown yeah you just need a little more bozo you need to sell a couple motorcycles and get some bozo dvds that moment on the show is one of the most impactful ones i've experienced like i felt a little heartbroken i mean i felt very heartbroken like watching him tell us this bozo thing but then after i was like why did i feel that like he is saying something beautiful he's connected to something beautiful that message is beautiful it's great but i'm projecting that like he's not understanding reality or he's too sensitive or something like i'm doing that he's not doing it right it made me sad as well but also he's a clown which is wonderful yeah and it's lovely it's equality and kindness and i don't know but i i'm excited to see what he does with that yeah ip yeah yeah what's her name you already said it today punky brewster sole moon fries sole moon fries movie aka punky brewster aka punky brewster her movie kid 90 he's in that uh-huh and a lot of that movie i couldn't make it it's hard i tried i couldn't do it and not because it's bad no it's very good but it's heartbreaking as well yeah and it is all these videotapes of her at that time and that crew at that time and chaos and teenage dumb like it's just a lot it's really really well done and so many performers get into this yeah they can control interactions yeah and so a lot of the kids that were drawn to this are pretty fucked up too yeah boy being a human's so messy that's right we gotta keep it we gotta keep it because it's going to be more and more awkward um the song rosanna rosanna is about his sister yeah somebody in toto was dating her okay okay great so that's about her very cool would you want to hit song written about you i personally don't care yeah i would love it yeah like if chris martin you fell in love oh my god i'd love it i would love it but it's just like a reminder i can like always remind myself that someone cared away about me at a point yeah so he's talking about this very specific religion that his family practiced in the commune and i tried to look up like what it was called but i couldn't find it i said it now it was in my research god i'm wondering if i can remember it i mean when you look him up it says he's jewish his dad was muslim i think his dad was many many different yeah his father was a convert from catholic to islam and was in this other and then part of this i don't know the name of if you go to his wikipedia page you'll say what the name of the commune was and it's got a hyperlink on it i love i mean i'm misremembering obviously wobbly wobbs fast on the uh keyboard totally be miss um suba is it is it hyperlink yeah what are you on his wikipedia yeah it says i was born in a suba commune in well but suba what does suba mean susila buddha i can't say acronym of susila buddha dharma it's an international it does well it said i think it said take some hinduism buddha it's an international interfaith spiritual movement that began in indonesia in the 1920s yeah so like when i read i was like i could see myself like of all the offerings i don't like any of them i probably like the offerings from any of the most they're not like rules necessarily right their gods don't seem to be so punitive there's many of them it's a little yeah it seems less punitive yeah i mean there's no hell yeah the judeo-christian god is like my lord why got everyone on planet earth literally killed every single person killers uh yeah sure but i mean the god you're worshiping to have in the back of your mind p.s if you guys fuck this up enough i'll flood the whole planet i'll only let two people later repopulate like that's to know that your god has that temper well literally i mean what people will say in the south if you're like a good christian is you're god fearing right god fearing yeah good god fearing christian yeah yeah i'm gonna be loved by my god i don't want to be feared i don't fear my god i agree yeah that's it well we love you david arcat so much i thought about him a lot after that yeah me too i can see why people fall in love with him because he's his heart is like i'm both sleeves it's gotten half and it's on both sleeves yeah i love him yeah thanks for coming david arcat thanks for coming all right that was a heavy one yeah yeah but we'll make space for the heavy ones that's right because life is messy humans are made of my home frequency illusion everywhere satisfies little arts education studies love you life is maybe you know what i mean you know what i mean you know what i mean you know what i mean you know