The Interbrain: Ending Memetic Warfare & Collective Dreamweaving - David Rug

David Rug is a metaphysician, civilizational theorist, and visionary storyteller on a journey of transmuting childhood wounds of social fragmentation into memetic medicine for the human family. Sensitized to the pains of social division and disconnect early in life through his parents' divorce and the increasingly political fracturing of his family field, he set out on a quest to understand the root causes of conflict and miscommunication. While completing his bachelor's degree in physics at Heidelberg University, he discovered GameB and adjacent movements, realizing there was, in effect, a "physics of communication" — principles that could be applied to the challenges he cared most about.This insight led him to found Project Liminality, an open-source communication and co-creation layer designed to reshape how we share and organize around ideas. A central focus of this work is developing the InterBrain, a novel digital medium aimed at flipping the vector of conflict and fragmentation toward unity and wholeness. His work combines systems thinking, visionary storytelling, and a deep exploration of the shared ideas and narratives that can inspire humanity to unite in addressing our greatest challenges.In this conversation, we explore David's early experiences of fragmentation and how he discovered the liminal web, the polarities of fragmentation, and finding the third attractor. We get into the idea that the solution has to come from a higher dimension of consciousness, false progress, psychological warfare, and developing a memetic immune system.We also explore A Course in Miracles, fear vs love, specialness vs uniqueness, building trust networks, returning to the spoken word, and the problems of scale. David walks us through moving from personal knowledge management to collective knowledge gardening, his big insights on the primacy of symbols and written vs spoken word, and the practicalities and critiques of building the InterBrain.We close on moving from independence to deep interdependence, revolutionizing journalism and politics, and the process of DreamWeaving.🔗 LINKS & RESOURCES 🔗Support Project Liminality and the building of the InterBrain Project Liminality YouTube channel The InterBrain — How Collective DreamWeaving Can Heal the World Dialectical Thinking Jordan Hall in conversation with David Rug In Search of the Third Attractor — Daniel Schmachtenberger The War on Sensemaking — Daniel Schmachtenberger The War on Sensemaking II — Daniel Schmachtenberger Sand Talk — Tyson Yunkaporta Rebel Wisdom A Course in Miracles Joe Hudson Relateful Jordan Myska Allen Ultraspeaking🕰️ TIMESTAMPS 🕰️0:00 - Introduction3:15 - Early experiences of fragmentation and discovering the liminal web13:47 - The polarities of fragmentation and finding the third attractor21:10 - The solution has to come from a higher dimension of consciousness25:22 - False progress, psychological warfare, and developing a memetic immune system34:52 - A Course in Miracles, fear vs love, specialness vs uniqueness41:54 - Building trust networks, returning to the spoken word, and problems of scale51:21 - From personal knowledge management to collective knowledge gardening1:08:35 - Reflecting on David's big insights — the primacy of symbols, written vs spoken word1:14:50 - The practicalities of the InterBrain — how it would work1:26:30 - Critiques and challenges of building the InterBrain1:31:21 - Moving from independence to deep interdependence1:36:42 - Revolutionizing journalism and politics1:44:06 - The process of DreamWeaving1:52:55 - Support David's work*Subscribe to my YouTube channel to watch the video versions of the Elevating Consciousness Podcast *Subscribe to the Insighter Substack to get in-depth articles on the theory and practice of human transformation through a post-conventional lens